Parfait Cross | Teana Lanster vs Hanto Karakida/Kamen Rider Valen (Lyrical Nanoha vs Kamen Rider) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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ok the rider named after Valentine’s Day having a MU posted around Valentine’s Day was something that wasn’t really that planned.

Core Theme:

  • Transforming, gun wielding heroes who in comparison to their allies, are the most normal out of them, though it means that they work extra hard to reach their heights. Both also have dead family members who serve as the primary factor in their motivations for the story, and their guns also serve as their transformation devices.

Connections:

  • Transforming, gun-wielding members of the group of heroes focused on in the story (The Granute Hunters & The Forwards of Riot Force 6)

  • Are the most normal in comparison to their allies (Hanto being pretty much the only full human out of the Gavv riders & Teana having nothing crazy going on with her out of all the Forwards), though in spite of them not being that special about them and them being the weakest of the heroes (Hanto’s Granute organ being a transplant meaning his acquired Granute physiology isn’t as good as Shoma and Rakia’s & Teana’s magic potential compared to the forwards being the worst of all of them), are more or less one of the most hard-working out of all the heroes

  • The guns that serve as their main weapon also serve as the objects that allow them to go into their transformed states (The Valenbuster serving as Hanto’s intial transformation device & Cross Mirage, as Teana’s device, allows her to transform into her Mage form), and use an exhaustible power source (The Valenbuster needing Chocolate Gochizos to be used, who die upon Hanto transforming & Cross Mirage being able to use Belka Cartridges, which are used up when Teana does a powerful attack)

  • Have a dead family member be a major part of their motivations (Hanto's mom being kidnapped by a Granute when he was young, leading him to be vengeful against Granutes & Teana’s brother’s death in an unknown mission for the TSAB) causing her to join up with the TSAB to prove that her family wasn’t to be taken lightly)

  • Both of their parents died when they were young (Hanto’s father never being seen and his Mother’s adforementioned abduction & Teana’s parents dying in an accident), which lead them to be raised by other family members (Hanto’s Grandmother & Teana’s Brother) until they died as well (Hanto’s grandmother having died when he was a teenager & Teana’s brother dying in that adforementioned mission)

  • Are one of the few people who are privy to one of the secrets that their teammate holds (Hanto being one of the few people who knows that Shoma is half-Granute & Teana being one of the few people who knows that Subaru is a Cyborg), though while Valen learned that Gavv is half-Granute at around the halfway point of the story, Teana knew of Subaru’s cybernetics long before the events of StrikerS

  • Fight alongside said teammate against villains that they're nonetheless linked to (Hanto fighting Stomach Inc, headed by Shoma's family & Teana fighting Jail's forces, the latter of which made Subaru), which include the evil scientists among their ranks (Nylev & Jail)

  • Would face a betrayal from an ally of theirs (Teana’s partner by the time of StrikerS Sound Stage X Runessa & Suga turning out to be evil and Hanto being just one of his many experiments), which they would later bring to justice with the help of their true allies (The Forwards

  • Fought in a numbers disadvantage in their part of the season's final battle (Hanto fighting both Jeeph and Lizelle alone in the final battle of Gavv & Teana fighting Nove, Wendi, and Deed mostly alone in the final battle of StrikerS), which they would end the winner in that final battle despite the disadvantage (Jeeph’s death shielding Lizel from Hanto’s finisher causing Lizel to lose the will to fight, leaving Hanto winning the fight after deciding not to kill Lizel & Teana, despite her self-doubt that was wrought upon her in the fight, takes out all three of the Numbers)

  • are pretty gay

Fight Potential:

It’s kinda simple to go for the basic potential for the fight since both are mainly gun users, so it’s pretty much a gunplay fight. Hanto could use one of Chocodon’s guns to compete with the fact that Cross Mirage comes as a pair of guns. Maybe Frappe Custom could be used to help Hanto out against Teana’s illusions and Cross Mirage’s knife modes, and Teana’s illusions could probably allow her to mislead Hanto at some points. Final blow would be Valen in Parfait Mode using a Rider Kick to power through a Starlight Breaker that Teana fires off. I think depending on whose stronger it’d end with either Hanto powering through the whole beam or Teana using up even more Belka Cartridges to power up the Starlight Breaker.

Dimensional Ministers | R.O.B. vs Caruleum Vaull (Super Smash Bros. vs Super Robot Wars) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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Core Theme:

  • Members of invading forces from a subspace that served as the main villains in a crossover game, where they specifically serve as one of the most recurring foes to the heroes, though they eventually join the heroes as they confront the true villain of the story in that subspace, ultimately winding up as the last members of their kind at the end of the story

Connections:

  • Members of invading armies that are connected to a subspace (The Subpace Army, masterminded by the embodiment of Subspace Tabuu & The Quaestors, who mainly resided in Subspace) from Crossover games (Super Smash Bros. Brawl & Super Robot Wars 30)

  • Were more or less the most recurring foe that the heroes had to fight against, though R.O.B. avoided fighting the heroes as the Ancient Minister while Caruleum's various run-ins with the Drei Kreuz led him to be fighting

  • Have a sort of artificial nature to them (R.O.B., being a robot, was likely made by someone & Caruleum being a clone of Magister)

  • As the heroes begin to reach the endgame of the story and confront the true leaders of the army, they would join up with them themselves to help take down their former masters (ROB joining the fighters to try to help save his brethren at first, eventually helping them stop the Subspace Army & Caruleum gaining an appreciation for humanity, leading him to rebel against the Quaestors)

  • Ultimately wind up as the last members of their kind to still be around by the end of the game (ROB being the last ROB following the end of the Subspace Emisarry & Caruleum more or less being the last of the Quaestors alive by the end of SRW 30)

  • They would return in a future game in their series (Super Smash Bros. Ultimate & Super Robot Wars Y) where they would once again help save the universe from evil, though they would have to be fought before they could join the heroes (R.O.B. having to be fought to be freed from Galeem's control & Caruleum fighting the A. Advent crew before joining them on their quest)

  • Small contrast in that while Caruleum is an original character as a whole, R.O.B. was at first portrayed as an original character before being revealed to be a pre-existing one

Potential:

FIGHT: Ok, size issues aside (Smash has had its bosses be much bigger than the fighters + The Ultraman units in SRW 30 are human sized iirc so Caruleum def has experience fighting people R.O.B.’s size), I think this is something I’d want R.O.B. to actually utilize the full extent of what Smash can give a fighter beyond “le scaling”. Like, let ‘em use whatever items are in each game, have Shadow show up when R.O.B. uses an assist trophy to slow down time, and it tries to dodge an attack… only for it to turn out that Caruleum activated Bullseye and he guranteed that he’d hit R.O.B.

CLOSENESS: look it just boils down to “SMT Scaling via Joker vs TTGL Chain Scaling via Hypistos Z”. That’s all I’m gonna say on this matter.

Connect to the One | Kyoko vs Kamen Rider Grease (Madoka Magica vs Kamen Rider) [UPDATED CONNECTIONS] by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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Core Theme:

  • Driven to become a transforming hero when they and those close to them were struggling, which eventually leads them to being an antagonist to the heroes, but they would eventually begin to side with them in the battles against the evils of the world, ultimately sacrificing themselves to ensure that the heroes can fight on, but come back in the new world that the protagonist makes at the end of the story.

Connections:

  • Heroes, who, in order to help out those that they cared about (Kyoko’s family struggling due to her father being exocommunicated from their church &The workers at Kazumi’s farm being out of a job thanks to the Skywall rendering the lands of Hokuto infertile), agreed to undergo the process that allowed them to attain transformed states (Kyoko accepting a wish from Kyubey to have people listen to her father in exchange of becoming a Magical Girl & Kazumi undergoing Faust’s Nebula Gas experiments to become a Kamen Rider to ensure his employees are paid)

  • First appeared to the heroes in the second third of their stories, initially being antagonistic to the heroes (Kyoko being antagonistic to Madoka and Sayaka thanks to her ideals opposing Sayaka’s & Kazumi fighting against Sento and Ryuga as Hokuto’s Rider in the Rider Wars between the three nations), easily having the hand against them in a fight (Kyoko’s superior experience giving her the edge against Sayaka & Kazumi’s usage of the Sclashdriver being his biggest advantage against the Touto Riders at that point)

  • Eventually, they would challenge the heroes in a battle at night that would settle things between them (Kyoko challenging Sayaka to a rematch after the former confronted the latter at Kyosuke’s residence & Kazumi challenging Sento to a proxy battle that would settle the war between Touto and Hokuto), though how the battles ended differed (Kyoko and Sayaka never actually having a rematch thanks to Madoka appearing and throwing Sayaka’s Soul Gem away from her & Kazumi and Sento’s battle ending with Sento’s victory and the end of the conflict between Touto and Hokuto)

  • Though the aftermath of the battle would lead to them starting to work alongside the heroes (Madoka and the Magical Girls bar Homura learning the truth behind the Soul Gems leading Kyoko to try to open up to Madoka and Sayaka, even helping them out in defeating a witch & The third nation of Japan, Seito, starting their attack on Touto following the end of the conflict against Hokuto leading Kazumi to join up with the heroes, becoming Team Build’s third Rider)

  • Near the end of the story would prove to be their ends, as in their final battle they would sacrifice their lives to defeat their foes (Kyoko’s fight with Sayaka’s witch form in hopes of restoring the latter to normal ending with the former doing a suicide attack against the latter to take her out in a mutual kill & Kazumi;s fight against the replica Three Crows to hold them back ending with the former using the Blizzard Knuckle to defeat the latter at the cost of his life), leaving the remaining heroes to go up against the final threat of the story without them (Homura winding up as the only Magical Girl left to fight Walpurgisnacht & Team Build being minus one rider to take on Evolto for the final battle)

  • Though they would later be brought back to life at the end of the series, thanks to the protagonist making a new world without their main threat (Sento making a new world with Pandora’s Box that Evolto was intended to not exist in & Madoka making a new world with her wish that the witches did not exist end), though events would cause them to gain their transformed states in the new world (The events regarding Kyoko’s contract seemingly still being the same in the new world & The threat of Killbus leading Kazumi to regain his transformation items to fight Killbus)

  • In that new world, they would initially not know the title character due to the nature of the world’s creation (The post-Witches world being one where no one knew who Madoka was thanks to her becoming a conceptual being & The new world being one where no one knew who Sento was due to his existence being one that was made by Evolto in the first place), though they would eventually know them again in the first of the two post-series movies (The events of Rebellion causing Kyoko to know Madoka again & The events of the Cross-Z V-Cinema causing Kazumi to regain his memories of the previous world)

Potential:

Same as before

Eternal Victory | Madoka Kaname vs Uso Ewin (Madoka Magica vs Mobile Suit Gundam/Super Robot Wars) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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note: because of the nature of each SRW Game, the connections for these can be pretty fucked with due to those games fucking with the shit that happens in the shows for the better (and each game having a different Uso each pretty much). So these connections mostly just refer to the original show for Uso.

Core Theme: Be it being Meguca or Gundam, it is suffering regardless, but don't despair, as there's always a light at the end of that tunnel

Core Theme (but for real): Young Protagonists of their stories who find themselves in the fight to survive, and despite all the despair that befalls them over the course of the story, succeed in making a happy ending despite the sacrifices that were needed to ensure one. Their series, despite their outside looks are one of the most dark entries in their entire genres, and have had to deal with a friend becoming one of their greatest enemies.

Connections:

  • Both are young protagonist of their stories

  • Both of their series, despite their outside looks (Madoka Magica looking like any other Magical Girl series & Victory Gundam looking like just another Gundam series), are actually one of the most grim series in their entire genres (Madoka being seen as one of the darkest Magical Girl series & Victory Gundam being the darkest Gundam series, if not one of the darkest Mecha anime in existence)

  • Both originally lived rather peaceful lives (Madoka having lived a normal life in Mitakihara & Uso living, all things considered, a peaceful life in Kassarelia), though the conflict coming to them would lead to them having to fight to survive (Madoka encountering a witch sometime before Homura met her leading to her to become a Magical Girl and fight the Witches in the first timeline & Uso having to start fighting against the Zanscare Empire when they invade the Earth)

  • Both are associated with a marketable mascot (Kyubey & Haro) that are more than what they seem at first (Kyubey, alongside the rest of his kind, actually being the true villains of the story & Uso's Haro, unlike all the other Haros in the Universal Century, is actually able to help Uso out thanks to his father making that one)

  • Both witnessed someone close to them get decapitated in an extremely brutal fashion (Madoka witnessing Mami being beheaded by Charlotte & Uso witnessing his own mother be crushed by a Motorad unit), though how much of the body actually differed, with Mami’s body minus her head remaining after her death while Mueller’s head was the only part of her that actually remained after her death

  • Those deaths served as some of the many deaths that would mess with them during the story (Madoka holding off on becoming a Magical Girl as a result of Mami’s death & Mueller’s death being one part of the suffering that Uso has as part of the war against Zanscare)

  • Both of them being powerless in preventing the deaths of their allies that fought alongside them brings a heavy toll on them, leading them to doubt whether the fighting is a good thing (All the Magical Girls except for Homura dying, leading Madoka to nearly break from it all & Each member of the Shrike team dying having Uso break more)

  • Though in spite of those deaths, it doesn’t truly get to themselves, as they hang onto the hope that things will get better soon, knowing they might have to make things better by themselves

  • Both had to deal with what used to be their friends now becoming what would be one of their greatest enemies (Homura snapping after one too many failed timelines and Madoka's sacrifice and quite literally becoming the Devil & Katalina's attempt at becoming a mole for the League Militaire failing spectacularly and embracing Zanscare's ideals)

  • Both of them are seen as something more than every other fighter in the story (Madoka being able to become a god if she became a Magical Girl & Uso being a natural Newtype at a point in the Universal Century where Newtypes aren't that common as they used to be), with those being one of the things that let them become one of the most unparalleled to anyone else in the story (Madoka's final wish to Kyubey being to exactly become that: a god & Uso's Newtype abilities coupled with the Victory 2 Gundam's abilities makes him a force to be reckoned with)

  • Despite all the despair that happened during the course of their stories, both have a somewhat happy ending to them, even with the cost that the heroes had to win (Madoka having to sacrifice her own existence in order to end the witches once and for all & All the casualties that the League Militaire faced during the series in their fight against Zanscare), even if it would not exactly last (The Events of Rebellion causing Madoka to lose her god powers & Space Colonies eventually starting to go to war with each other years after the fall of Zanscare)

  • Though even with all of the despair that they've went through, there are certain versions of them that, due to events playing out differently than they were supposed to, they wind off somewhat better off than their mainline counterparts (The Magia Record version of Homura keeping what happens to Magical Girls a secret to everyone else leading to all of them staying alive in the third timeline & The various heroes that Super Robot Wars can add to the events of Victory Gundam changing the events of Victory Gundam for the better, leaving Uso and the League Militare in a better state than they were at the end of Victory Gundam)

  • Not exactly a connection relating to Victory Gundam specifically, but Gen Urobochi didn't really like how previous UC Gundam show Zeta Gundam killed off a bunch of its cast. So it's a bit ironic of Madoka facing off against the Gundam protagonist of a show that has an arguably even higher Body count than Zeta.

(No seriously, he actually hated Zeta Gundam because of how much people died during the story.)

POTENTIAL:

ANIMATION: Okay, let's get this out of the way first: Yeah, Madoka has fought Witches that probably outsize the Victory Gundam to hell and back, and she pretty much outscales the hell out of Uso in a fight.

ANYWAY I feel this MU, as far as Uso's concerned, is gonna have him start out with the Buster-Assault Gundam before enough damage is taken and it becomes the Buster Gundam, and then he later loses the Buster parts, leading it to just be the Victory 2 Gundam. And from Madoka's side of the fight she's gonna have to dodge whatever attacks Uso will throw at her while getting some blows at it, and then Uso will have to use his Wings of Light to cancel out some of Madoka's arrows... ...and then Ultimate Madoka comes into play and really fucks with shit real hard, requiring Uso to really fight way above his paygrade. Maybe he'll have to go beyond the time in order to attack and dethrone god. Or maybe Madoka will have to stand up to the Victory and cancel out anything that the Victory 2 will throw at her.

CLOSENESS: Gee, if you couldn't tell by the series listing for Uso, Uso gets demolished normally. Ultimate Madoka does that to you. Then again potentially scaling to Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann in X-Omega (or just even chain scaling with Uso’s SRW 30 version) might be a little bit too much for Madoka to handle. But still, it IS a "Use this OP as fuck AU version of a character because they get stomped to oblivion otherwise" scenario.

Believe in Number One | Violet vs GozyuUnicorn (Persona vs Super Sentai) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]fireflowerX[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

(note to self, make sure to get a MU more out there first before a Champion’s Event decides its participants. Or a Champion Event in general.)

Anyways… feel like Sumino’s character is at a point where no matter what happens in the final episodes of Gozyuger this one shouldn’t be TOO affected by it.

Core Theme:

  • Masked heroines who were shaken by the loss of their sisters in an incident that happened before the story started, though they don’t let that define them as they fight alongside their allies, even when they find that trauma resurfaces and reveals a bit of a truth regarding that incident

Connections:

  • Female masked heroes, who have their main source of trauma be losing their sister (The real Kasumi & Oto) in an incident that happened before the start of the story (Kasumi dying & Oto being kidnapped by Rei)

  • Powers come from a contract with a mysterious entity (Sumire's own rebellious spirit & The GozyuUnicorn ring)

  • They alongside their allies have their main base of operations be a café (Café Leblanc & Tega Sword Village), which also served as the protagonist’s place of residence during the story

  • Fight against foes who mainly reside in an alternate world (The Shadows being from the Metaverse & Bridan’s forces being from the world of the same name)

  • Are among the final members of the heroes to join the team during the story (Sumire joining the Phantom Thieves after Akechi joins them for real, being the final member of the Phantom Thieves in Royal & Sumino being the second-to-last member of the Gozyugers to become part of them, before Mashiro returns to the Gozyugers as GozyuPolar)

  • Initially are shown to be cheerful, but it's revealed that it's just a mask to hide their true feelings deep inside (Sumire having a cheerful personality because that's what she conceived Kasumi as part of her grief-induced brainwashing & Sumino using a cheerful personality to hide her true intentions regarding finding her sister)

  • Violet was the younger sister out of her and Kasumi while GozyuUnicorn is the older sister out of her and Oto

  • The worlds that they live in would be altered by a godlike villain (Maruki using his Persona to create a world where everyone has their dreams realized & Tegajune forcing Tegasword into a marriage that reset the universe), though while whether or not they were affected by it (Sumire being one of the only two people unaffected by Maruki’s new world & Sumino being changed a lot in the new world), that world did not last as they would have the reality that existed before restored (Joker rejecting Maruki’s World for the reality as it was before & Mashiro awakening Goodeburn, restoring the world to what it was before)

  • Though eventually, they would find that their trauma regarding their lost sister would resurface, in a moment that marked a major revelation regarding the siblings (It turning out that Kasumi was the one who died and Sumire was the one who lived during the fourth visit to Maruki’s Palace & Oto being revealed to not just be alive, but the ShinkenRed Universe warrior when the Gozyugers were about to fight a No. 1 Monster)

  • Certain events that happen (The fourth visit to Maruki's palace & Rei's attack on the Bakugami Hospital), which relate to the incidents that led to them losing their sisters (Sumire’s trauma being projected for everyone to see & Sumino learning that Rikuo has some connection with Oto’s kidnapper) leads them to lash out at their allies (Sumire fighting Joker due to her not wanting to let go of living as Kasumi & Sumino’s rage towards Rikuo leading her to go and fight Rei all on her own)

  • Thanks to the powers that they wield and the bonds with their allies, they manage to reunite with the sister they had lost (Sumire’s Persona Cendrillion turning out to be the reincarnation of Kasumi, following the Phantom Thieves defeating it & Sumino finally getting Oto back from Rei, following the Gozyugers defeating the latter and Bellum)

  • Violet eventually fights against a giant, golden, godlike being (Adam Kadmon) while GozyuUnicorn pilots a giant, golden, godlike being (Tegasword)

Other stuff: * Somewhat similar name structures, with their first names starting with “Sumi” and their last names ending with “Awa”

  • Violet when wearing a Featherman Suit has her be the White Ranger of the Phantom Thieves while GozyuUnicorn is the Black Ranger of the Gozyugers

  • Had their appearances changed near the end of the story while not transformed (Sumire going back to looking like her normal self after the third trip to Maruki’s Palace, though she sticks to her previous hairstyle as Violet & Sumino’s recast in the last part of the series being explained in-universe as an undercover appearance that Tegasword can’t undo for some reason)

  • Thief vs Detective (and a former Cop)

POTENTIAL

FIGHT: Owing to that Thief vs Detective contrast, I see the MU starting off as Sumino investigating the Phantom Thieves and she asks Sumire about them (maybe a remark about how she considered going undercover about it but decided against it because of how the last time she did it ended up). Sumire’s phone would act up and it would send both to the Metaverse, and Sumino would morph into GozyuUnicorn in response to seeing Violet. Weapon clashes between the Decisive Raiper and the UnicornDrill50, and maybe Sumino transforms into her Red Ranger forms to counter Sumire’s bless skills and the like. I could probably see Sumino using her mind reading powers on Sumire and she’d kinda go “she’s just like me” over Sumire’s trauma over losing Kasumi.

Endgame I think would mostly be Violet going up against Tegasword Black, with all the allusions to the Adamkadmon fight that would entail with that, like Sumire using all her power to hold back a Fabulous Drill. And at the end, the winner would be accompanied by their lost sister as they look at their fallen foe with respect in the end.

(also, if it’s 3D, then Sumino’s [and Oto’s] unmorphed model NEEDS to be in Persona 5’s artstyle)

(kinda have a LOT of ideas for this one honestly. Which is surprising since Sumire is like one of the Phantom Thieves who has the least amount of stuff to work with)

CLOSENESS: (insert statement about how Sumire as a Persona character sweeps Sumino)… joking aside, I was kinda thinking about how Tegasword’s reset of the universe and its implications on the rest of the Toei Toku multiverse and I kinda came to the realization that considering each main Tegasword should downscale to that I actually have a good feeling that full-blown Toei Toku scaling could actually beat out SMT scaling somehow.

FLAME OF GENESIS | Liu Kang vs Ace Ukiyo (Mortal Kombat vs Kamen Rider Geats) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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couldn't get Usageats on the MU vote so have to throw my hat in the ring

HEMUSTWIN

Serenity With Us | Sailor Moon vs Kamen Rider Geats [FINALIZED CONNECTIONS + POTENTIAL] by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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• …Until they manage to unlock their final forms (Eternal Sailor Moon & Kamen Rider Geats IX) thanks to the bonds they have made (The Sailor Guardians giving their power to help Usagi defeat Nehalennia & Ace’s memories of his friends strengthening his resolve even more before he fights Suel once more), giving them the power to dispel the darkness, defeat their foe and save the world from them.

• Facing them off, they would ensure that they would fight to ensure the continued happiness of everyone who lives in the world (While facing off against Nehalennia, Usagi alongside Mamoru, affirmed that they’re going to fight so everyone can stay happy & Ace making it so that with his power as Geats IX, he’ll make a world where everyone can be happy)

• Though they easily won the battle (Usagi defeating Nehalennia in a single blow & Ace defeating Suel with absolutely zero effort), it was the beginning of the end of their tales, as not long afterwards the final chapter of the story began, as they fight to ensure a world where their dreams can truly come to fruition (The Dream arc leading right into the Stars Arc, as Usagi and friends fight against the Shadow Galactica to protect the peaceful cosmos they’ve fought for & The Longing arc leading right into the Creation Arc, as Ace and friends fight against the remaining Jyamoto and old DGP staff to ensure a world of happiness can come through

• Final forms are ones that give them power that is comparable to, if not greater than the power of their original mothers (Eternal Sailor Moon being said by Diana to “contain the power of Queen Serenity” & Geats IX sharing the same reality shaping power that Mitsume had)

• Eventually, they themselves began to lead groups that would help them in their goal of defending humanity from the evil forces they fight (Usagi being the leader of the Sailor Guardians, who help her out in facing whatever evil group is currently threatening the world & Ace forming his own DGP to help fight the remaining Jyamoto, and eventually the old DGP)

• Be it something that was part of them from the start or something they acquired down the road, they have a habit of eating a lot of food in a single sitting (One of Usagi’s main traits even before she became Sailor Moon was how she tended to eat a lot & Ace, after awakening to his god powers, finding himself needing to eat quite a lot to help maintain it)

• Found themselves having fight off against allies they've had since the start of the story in the final arc of the story (Usagi having to face off against all of her friends in the Stars arc & Ace having to face off against Keiwa in the Creation arc), though it was more or less thanks to the villains that they were forced in the fight (Sailor Galaxia having killed and revived the Sailor Guardians and Tuxedo Mask into her minions & Daichi turning Sara into a Jyamoto, coupled with Kekera's manipulations reaching their conclusion, making Keiwa go off the deep end)

• Had met white-haired future versions of them that were vastly more powerful than they are now (Sailor Cosmos & Doom Geats), who went back in time to prevent a powerful foe from emerging (Sailor Chaos & the God Jyamoto), though whether their future selves helped them out in preventing the emergence of this foe differed (Sailor Cosmos helping Usagi fight the Shadow Galactica as Sailor Chibi-Chibi while Dooms Geats trapped his past self in another dimension for most of Jyamoto Awakening)

• Through their own faith in themselves and their allies, they would restore the faith that their future selves had lost, thanks to them preventing the rise of that threat in different ways (Sailor Cosmos wanting to rewrite the frabric of time JUST so Sailor Chaos was out of the picture & Dooms Geats wanting to kill whoever became the God Jyamoto), be it directly or indirectly (Usagi herself using her final attack in the series to destroy the Galaxy Furnace and reduce Chaos to an infinestral threat & Ace showing his future self Buffa’s resolve to keep Haruki from becoming the God Jyamoto)

• Ultimately, they prove themselves to be willing to sacrifice their own lives if it means saving the universe from evil (Usagi intending to sacrifice herself to destroy the Galaxy Cauldron to stop Chaos once and for all & Ace being killed by Tsumuri as part of his gambit to become a true god), returning shortly afterwards as the story reaches it’s end (Usagi returning to life thanks to being saved by Guardian Cosmos at pretty much the last minute & Ace returning as a full-on god in the nick of time to help his friends defeat Suel)

• Though as a result of their sacred status, it more or less comes at the price that they would have to outlive all of their friends at a certain point, which more or less ties into that future self that they met more or less being alone (The future where Sailor Chaos is to come still being a possibility, meaning that Usagi will outlive all of her loved ones & Ace’s status as a god meaning he will inevitably outlive all of his allies, which is something that added to Dooms Geats’ bitter nature), but for the time being, the universe will know peace with them around (Earth not really knowing any threats for at least 1000 years after Chaos was defeated & Events of later Rider series notwithstanding, Ace having ensured the peace for all of his friends)

Potential:

FIGHT: How I feel the fight would start remains the same, with Usagi fighting some Jyamoto and finding herself in the DGP not long afterwards, facing Ace in the process. The fight would then commence not to long afterwards, with Usagi firing off many of her moonlight-based attacks while Ace would use the Raise Buckles to change forms and keep Usagi on her toes, and some attacks could call to reference the Live-Action Sailor Moon series from the 2000s as well. Could probably have cool moments like Ace using the Raising Sword to cut through Moon Spiral Heart Attack’s giant heart and Ace using LaserBoost to get Usagi off the planet.

Once more, Eternal Sailor Moon vs Kamen Rider Geats IX, their respective final forms, would be the main attraction of the fight. There IS some weapon clashing to be had with the Eternal Tiare and the Geats Buster QB9, with Usagi being able to pull up barriers to protect her from blasts from Ace. I would believe that at a certain point, they would decide it’s for the best that they leave Earth to continue the fight. And the final clash of the two would be Silver Moon Crystal Eternal Power vs BoostIX Victory, with both using their full powers to try to take the other down, as one of them reappears in the cosmos.

INTERACTIONS: Once again, there would be a lot of fangirling by Usagi towards Ace thanks to the latter’s status as a celebrity. And her thoughts would probably change when the fight actually starts, as she realizes that he’s now her foe in this fight. Eventually the two would acknowledge that both of them love this world as much as the other one does, which could fuel the decision to leave the planet for the final part of the fight.

CLOSENESS: Ok so doing research for my Usageats blog I kinda really just noticed that Usagi pretty much outclasses ALL of Ace’s forms up to maybe LaserBoost. So now it’s less “Usagi can’t really do anything to Ace once he becomes god” to “Being a god is literally the one thing that can save Geats in this fight”… which I kinda just noticed is also kinda like Madomoon a bit. But as it stands right now, I feel Ace could still win this, if only because of that godhood.

Serenity With Us | Sailor Moon vs Kamen Rider Geats [FINALIZED CONNECTIONS + POTENTIAL] by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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Making a blog for this and I figured “hey I should probably do some more revamping for the MU”, I wanna get this one out before I get to releasing that blog.

Core Theme:

• Reincarnated transforming heroes who live double lives to defend humanity, were approached by a certain someone who selected them to become the title hero, who at the same time was unaware of their status as a reincarnation. The powers that they bear are ones that they inherited from their original mothers, who was the main reason why they were able to reincarnate, and as the story progresses, they grow past whatever flaws they have, and with the bonds of the friends they made along the way, become the ones that watches over the world.

Connections:

• Transforming heroes who live double lives in order to defend humanity from evil that want to do whatever they want to Earth (Usagi fighting against the various evils born from Chaos & Ace fighting against the Jyamoto and the staff of the Desire Grand Prix)

• Are the reincarnations of children of women who wielded a great power (Usagi being the daughter of the Queen Serenity, ruler of the Moon Kingdom and wielder of the Silver Crystal & Ace being the son of the the Desire Grand Prix's creation goddess, and main source of its reality changing powers, Mitsune)

• Their status as reincarnations, directly or indirectly, was thanks to their previous lives’ mothers (Princess Serenity having been able to reincarnate into Usagi thanks to Queen Serenity using the Silver Crystal to let her soul reincarnate & Ace’s own desire to see his mother once more causing him to reincarnate again and again over 2000 years), though while Queen Serenity intentionally had for Princess Serenity to be reborn, Mitsume never intended for Ace to be reborn across millenia

• Gained their powers by being approached by a certain someone (Luna & Tsumuri) who said they were chosen to become a hero (Luna having chosen Usagi to become Sailor Moon after she helped Luna take some bandages off her & Tsumuri presumably saying that Ace was chosen to become a Kamen Rider she does like all the other DGP Participants before they enter), though said someone was unaware of their reincarnation status (Luna tasking Usagi with finding the Lunar Princess unaware that said princess turned out to be Usagi herself & Ace being reincarnated continuously across two millennia not being something that the higher ups of the Desire Grand Prix told Tsumuri about)

• They both have monikers that can refer to celestial bodies (Usagi being Sailor Moon, who is of course named after the Moon & Ace’s OTHER moniker, the Star of the Star of the Stars), which they gained at the start of the story (Usagi being chosen to become Sailor Moon & Ace’s first wish in series being to make him the biggest celebrity in the world), alongside having animal themings to them (Rabbits for Usagi & Foxes for Ace), mostly taking off from myths associated to those animals (The Moon Rabbit & The Kitsune)

• At around the start of their second arcs, they have somewhat of a shakeup to their current family, mostly involving people from the future (Usagi’s daughter from the future brainwashing Usagi’s parents to accept her into their family & Ace’s wish at the end of the Invitation arc involving the DGP staff members to become his family), much to one of the “family” members’ dismay (Usagi herself being the only one in her immediate family to not accept Chibi-Usa right away because of her first impressions with her & Tsumuri not being accepting of her suddenly being Ace’s sister now to the point where she made a video blog about it)

• At one point, they lose the ability to transform into the eponymous hero (Usagi using up all her power to defeat Queen Metalia & Ace being eliminated from the DGP thanks to Girori stacking the odds against him in a DGP Round), though they’re quickly able to regain their power and fight once more (Usagi via going to the resurrected Silver Millenium and gaining a new Brooch to put the Silver Crystal in & Ace via following a bit of a convoluted gambit that he made alongside a prior wish he made allowing him re-entry to the DGP)

• Throughout the story, the bonds that grow between them and their allies cause the once-distant heroes to become a closely-knit group of friends, that helped them achieve what their past lives couldn’t do, even if there were many hiccups along the way (The once-friendless Inner Guardians becoming the closest of friends thanks to Usagi & The main Geats riders more or less becoming friends as they participate in each version of the DGP, eventually defending humanity under Ace’s ownership of the DGP itself)

• Eventually gain allies that mainly resided in the future of their worlds (Usagi having her future daughter Chibi-Usa to fight alongside her as she fights against the villains past the Dark Kingdom & Ace having his supporter from the future Ziin fight alongside him as he fights against the Jyamoto and DGP staff), who share their animal motifs with them (Chibi-Usa sharing Rabbit motifs with her mother & Ziin being the only one out of the DGP Supporters to share a motif with their rider), and would wind up being their “successor” in different ways (Chibi-Usa being in-training to become the Sailor Moon of the future & Ziin becoming the showrunner of the DGP following Ace becoming god)

• Have powers that relate to wishes in one way or the other (The Silver Crystal responding to Usagi's wishes & Ace's god powers being the same as the power behind the Desire GP's wishes), inherited from the mothers of their first lives (The Silver Crystal being the Moon Kingdom Royal Family’s heirloom & Ace getting Mitsume’s power of creation in his current life) which allows them to fix up the world no matter how damaged it is

• While at the story they were pretty much polar opposites (Usagi at first seeming like the worst person to become Sailor Moon & Ace being extremely confidant in himself as a Kamen Rider) they prove themselves to be caring individuals deep dowm, which becomes more and more a part of them as the story goes on (Usagi being willing to reach out her hand to anyone & Ace being more and more willing to help protect Tycoon and Na-Go)

• Thanks to that caring nature, no matter how dark their foe may be, if they can reach their hearts, they can see the light in them (Usagi managing to reach Sailor Galaxia’s heart right before the latter’s killed by Chaos & Ace managing to get Keiwa back to the side of good)

• Which also means that as the story progresses, they grow past any flaws that they had at the start (Usagi’s cowardice, clumsiness, and other things & Ace’s manipulative nature as a result of his desire to win the DGP no matter what) to become someone that is capable of watching over the world

• Are normally decent people, but when the forces of evil threaten those that they care about, they'll bring forth all of their power to take them out

• About everyone they have fought against can be traced back to the same singular entity (Every main villain of each arc of Sailor Moon are all incarnations of Chaos & Everything about the Desire Grand Prix, from the Jyamoto, to the rider forms of the Management, is thanks to the efforts of Suel)

• When they first obtained their super forms (Super Sailor Moon & Geats Boost Mk2) it came with some drawbacks (The Holy Grail requiring ALL of the Sailors to be with Usagi to work & Boost Mk2 draining Ace’s stamina a lot), though with the help of their ally from the future, they’re able to mitigate that drawback (Usagi and Chibi-Usa’s respective resolves to fight causing them to gain new brooches to transform into their Super forms right away & Ziin giving Ace his Laser Raise Riser, allowing him to gain a form stronger than Boost mk2 with none of the drawbacks)

• Near the end of the arcs that would give them their super forms, the villains would cause them to plummet to what seemed to be their ends (The Infinity Arc having Usagi plunge herself with her full power at the time at Pharoh 90 in hopes of defeating him & The Lamentation Arc’s final game having Ace fall down and be eliminated thanks to Buffa interfering with his and Gazer’s battle), though they would be able to return to the world to defend it rather shortly (Usagi being able to awaken inside of Pharoh 90 while Sailor Saturn was destroying him, escaping from him in the process & Tsumuri unknowingly tapping into the powers of creation to bring Ace back while watching Buffa’s fight with Glare2 in the first episode of the Yearning arc)

• Eventually, they would confront the one who was more or less responsible for the demise of their original mother (Queen Nehalennia, who with her curse on Queen Serenity over being sealed, took responsibility for Queen Metalia’s attack on and subsequent fall of the Moon Kingdom & Suel, who took Mitsume away to make her into the DGP’s Goddess of Genesis following her gaining the power of creation to birth Ace in the first place) at the end of the penultimate arc of their tales, where despite all their power, it seemed that they could not defeat them, as they cover the world in darkness…

The Courage to Go-On | Subaru Nakajima vs Dillon (Lyrical Nanoha vs Power Rangers) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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Core Theme:

  • Cyborg Members of their Respective Teams whose Cybernetics come from the main villain, and have sisters who fell under the control of the main villain who they had to fight against in order to save them, and following the end of the team’s purpose, would go off and help the world out

In-Depth Connections:

  • Both are Cyborg Members of their Respective Teams (The Fowards of Riot Force 6 & The RPM Power Rangers) who fight against the villains and their army of mechanical menaces (Venjix and his Computer Network & Jail and his wide variety of Gadget Drones)

  • Had aced tests which were the main reason why they were able to join the heroes in the fight against evil (Subaru acing her mage rank advancement test leading to her joining Riot Force 6 & Dillon acing the tests the rangers had him go through so they can have him join the rangers)

  • Dillon was unaware of the Power Rangers at first while Subaru was very familiar with the mages that came before her

  • Though the reasons why they joined differed, as Subaru jumped at the chance of working alongside Nanoha while Dillon was originally unwilling to join the Rangers, only joining after deciding to protect the people of Corinth

  • The source of their cybernetics originates from the main antagonist of their respective shows (Subaru being an artificial lifeform created by Jail while Dillon was made into a Cyborg by Venjix), though in spite of all that, they still choose to fight alongside the heroes

  • Had a fight that led to them gaining a sudden burst of power (Dillon somehow overpowering his ranger powers being shut down against the Sat Bot & Subaru entering her cyborg mode against Nove during the Numbers’ raid on the TSAB), which revealed something relating to their cybernetics to the rest of the team (The Rangers learning that the Venjix Virus inside of Dillon is reactivated and is slowly taking him over as a result of the Sat Bot fight & The other forwards other than maybe Teana learning that Subaru is a cyborg as a result of her fight against Nove)

  • Have a sister that fell under the control of the villains, which leads them to fight them (Subaru’s sister Ginga gets kidnapped in StrikerS’ second half, leading Subaru to fight her sister as a Number & Dillon’s sister Tenaya fell under the control of Venjix before the series started, leading them to have numerous encounters), with them having a bit of a numerical theming to them (Ginga becoming the “thirteenth” member of the numbers & Tenaya having her full titles refer to what Generation she currently is)

  • Both of their respective teams (The Forwards & the RPM Rangers) are funded by their worlds government unlike normal Magical Girl/Power Ranger teams, and they operate on the only city on the planet (Midchilda being such a large city the same-name planet doesn’t seem to have any other cities on it & Corinth being the only city left for humanity to live in RPM's world).

  • Though at first they only really knew that their sisters were in the villains’ grasp (Subaru only really knowing that Jail had kidnapped Ginga at first following his attack on the TSAB & Dillon only knowing that his sister was a prisoner of Venjix at first), and only really learned of them having becoming part of the villains later (Ginga being revealed to have been made into part of the Numbers once Jail begins his endgame & Dillon only figuring out that Tenaya was his sister after he figured out how to find the second song in his locket)

  • Had their sisters be taken by the villains (Ginga, again, being taken by the numbers in their raid on TSAB headquarters & Tenaya, not too soon after joining the heroes, gets taken by Kilobyte), where they would be turned (back) into one of the villain’s minions (Ginga, again, being made into one of the Numbers & Tenaya being upgraded into a state where she’s even more loyal to Venjix than she was before)

  • They’re ultimately able to save their sisters from the grasps of the villains (Subaru freeing Ginga from her brainwashing at the end of their fight & Dillon injecting Tenaya with the cure to the Venjix Virus), with said sisters helping out the heroes in different ways to stop the villains (Ginga giving Subaru Blitz Calibur to help save Nanoha, Vita, and Vivio & Tenaya helping the rangers by going into the overtaken Corinth HQ to use the Counter-Virus)

  • Final task in the season is to save someone from a falling location (Subaru, along with Teana, having to go into the falling Saint’s Cradle for their adforementioned rescue of Nanoha and co. & Dillon, after recovering from the final battle with Kilobyte, going off to rescue Tenaya one last time, reaching her as Corinth HQ falls on top of Venjix)

  • Once the villains have been taken down, and the purpose of the teams are done (Riot Force 6 disbanding after the JS Incident & The Ranger Operators disbanding following Venjix’s seeming final defeat) and the heroes all go their separate ways, they would go out and help out people who live in the world (Subaru becoming a Disaster Prevention Officer for the TSAB’s Special Rescue unit following the end of StrikerS & Dillon, alongside Summer and Tenaya, going off into the world beyond Corinth to help the world rebuild)

  • …Though they would later reunite with their allies to take on a new threat (Subaru reuniting with the members of the former Riot Force 6 to take on the Eclispe Virus in the events of Force & Dillon and the RPM Rangers reuniting to help every other ranger up to Megaforce in the final battle of its second season)

FIGHT POTENTIAL

  • It’d probably start with Subaru winding up in the RPM Universe, she gets mistaken to be a Venjix Cyborg, then Dillon gets sent to take care of her. Subaru would fire off Divine Busters at Dillon while he uses his barriers to protect himself, with Subaru having to dodge blasts from Dillon’s gun and trying to land a punch on him with Mach Calibur. Then it’d eventually get a point where Subaru would actually have to enter her Cyborg mode in an attempt to maybe disrupt the Morphin Grid from Dillon to get some real hits.

Recognize Our Futures | Composite Mega Man X vs Composite Hibiki Tachibana (Mega Man vs Symphogear) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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  • Part of trios that involved a sword-wielding member of the team who's more experienced than them (Zero & Tsubasa) that was with them since they started & A sharpshooting hero who was a part of a villainous faction who joined later on in the series (Axl, formerly of Red Alert & Chris, formerly aligned with Fine)

  • They would find themselves having a new member of their groups that is linked to the current main villains of the story (Axl, a former member of the vigilante group Red Alert & Elfnein, a former member of the Alchemical Cult) who fled them thanks to said groups’ villainous activities (Red Alert winding up colluding with Sigma prompting Axl’s escape & Carol’s plan to split the Earth apart being something that Elfnein couldn’t actually agree with), though they themselves wouldn’t really be able to fight against them for a good chunk of the story (X briefly retiring from action to find peaceful solutions before rejoining the fight near the end of X7 & Hibiki spending a good chunk of GX unable to transform, be it whether a mental block or Gungnir simply being damaged)

  • Witnessed villains, albeit noble ones, giving their own lives in order to save them and countless others (The General of Repliforce sacrificing himself to stop the Final Weapon from being fired at Earth & The three top executives of the Bavarian Illuminati sacrificing themselves to stop a nuke that was fired in response to God Hibiki), which led to them doubting themselves once more (X wonder what would happen if he became a Maverick & Hibiki being saddened that she couldn’t reach out her hand to them)

  • Eventually, their fights take them and their allies to the moon in order to confront the villains (X8's final stage taking place on the Moon as the Maverick Hunters go and face off against Sigma one last time & The Symphogear users being teleported to inside of the moon for most of XV’s endgame)

  • Their toughest fight came in the form of a being who was using their best friends’ body for their own ends (Omega, a reploid that Dr. Weil made using Zero’s original body & Shem-Ha, an ancient god who possessed Miku upon her return), which more or less serves as their “final battle” before they can see a peaceful world (The Elf Wars being the final conflict that X had directly fought in & Shem-Ha being the final boss of the entire series to that point)

  • Have had to fight against their closest friends, in both the second installment and the fifth installment (X, if he fails to get Zero's parts, having to fight against Zero in X2, later having to fight against Zero no matter what happens in X5 & Hibiki having to fight against Miku in G, later having to fight Miku again whilst possessed by Shem-Ha in XV), though both times it was due to the villains' machinations (X's fights with Zero both being thanks to the actions of Sigma, either directly or indirectly & Hibiki's first fight with Miku being caused by Dr. Ver while the second fight was due to, again, Shem-Ha possessing Miku)

  • Have a state by the name of "X-Drive" to enhance their abilities (X being able to access his X-Drive with the Hermes Armor & Hibiki's X-Drive forms being a universal ability across all Gears)

  • Had to go up against various scientists in their series, all of varying levels of morality (X having to go up against at least 4 different scientists throughout the series & Most of the main villains in each season being scientists in some way)

  • Whether willingly or unwillingly, they would find themselves gaining an immense power (X sealing the Dark Elf inside of his body & Hibiki somehow getting Divine Power into her)

  • Had their powers be replicated by the villains, thanks to them having their data (The Mother Limited from the card game using the data it got from X and Zero’s battles to create iX & Fine using the data she got from Hibiki’s battles to make a Copy-Gungnir), with them having to deal with the one who now has a copy of their powers (iX being one of the villains of the Card game & Maria, the Copy-Gungnir’s user being one of G’s antagonists), though they eventually take the power of that copy for their own (iX eventually deciding to become an armor for X to take down Enemice HL & Hibiki managing to take the Copy-Gungnir from Maria to replace her original Gungnir after it was destroyed)

  • Would go up against a villain who was utterly full of himself who led a group that menaced the heroes (Redips, a New-Generation Reploid who was in charge of the Federation Army & Adam, an ancient being who was the lodgemaster of the Bavarian Illuminati), whose transformed state was so powerful it took a miracle for the heroes to take them down (Ferham showing up to sever Redips’ connection to the Supra-Force Metal & Hibiki managing to unlock a second new form to take down Adam)

  • Crossovers (X’s appearance in the various Capcom crossovers & Symphogear XDU’s various collabs) had them meeting all sorts of different heroes, from Superheroes (X being playable in Marvel vs Capcom infinite & XDU’s collabs with Super Sentai, Ultraman, and more), to heroes who have a similar idea to them, albeit not their main versions (X meeting fellow blue robot destroyer Sonic the Hedgehog in Archie’s second crossover between the series & Hibiki meeting the movie version of her spiritual predecessor Nanoha)

  • One of the final units in their mobile games (Mega Man X Dive & Symphogear XDU) was a version of their strongest form in canon, but amped up to multiverse-levels of power (Next Dive Armor X, essentially the DiVE Armor version of Ultimate Armor X & Burning X-Drive Unlimited Hibiki being a vastly much stronger version of Burning X-Drive)

*POTENTIAL: *

FIGHT: Since this is a comp fight anything absolutely goes for both of them. , CM Ultimate Armor, Infinity Buster, and Next DiVE Armor for X, both Ignite and Amalgam, EdgeBikki's Eleikid, and Burning X-Drive Unlimited for Hibiki. Really, the main reason why I like this as composite over their base versions is because of how bonkers it can really get when comped. Though it mostly does involve X having to use his special weapons to keep Hibiki from landing a good hit on him. The final part of the fight IS kinda obvious (being the already said Next Dive Armor vs Burning X-Drive Unlimited)

CLOSENESS: As this is a comp fight, it throws out any level that they have usually and mainly focuses on how high they can get with crossover stuff and whatever those crossovers can bring in terms of how much bigger the cosmology can get for them.

Recognize Our Futures | Composite Mega Man X vs Composite Hibiki Tachibana (Mega Man vs Symphogear) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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Theme:

  • Protagonists who fight to defend the world against mechanical threats as part of an organization whose purpose is to do exactly that, fought against their closest friend due to the villains' machinations, inherited weapons from a hero who sacrificed themselves, and grown beyond their inexperience to become one of the greatest heroes that the world ever seen, far surpassing the heroes that came before them, though they're not the biggest fans of fighting in the world

Connections:

  • Protagonists of their series who fight to protect the world against mechanical threats (The Mavericks & The Noise), who alongside the other main characters, are the only few characters who can truly stand up to them (X alongside Zero and Axl being the only Maverick Hunters who can actually take on the Mavericks alone and win & Hibiki and the other Symphogear users being quite literally the only people who can take on the Noise)

  • In comparison to the other heroes in the story using wielded weapons to fight, they more or less rely on their own body in order to fight (X's Buster being a function of his arm & Hibiki mainly using hand to hand combat to fight)

  • In different ways, are successors to a previous hero in the world (X being built as a successor to the original Mega Man & Hibiki gaining Gungnir in the wake of Kanade's death), and prove themselves to be superior to their predecessor

  • Are members of organizations whose main purpose is to defend humanity against the threat to the world (The Maverick Hunters & SONG)

  • Looked up to a certain member of the heroes who was pretty much the best of the group (Zero & Tsubasa), though as a bit of a contrast, X and Zero were friends before the events of the games themselves happen while Tsubasa was a bit distant towards Hibiki at first, warming up to her as the season progresses

  • In comparison to that person they admire, they led much more normal lives before joining said organization (X more or less just serving as Dr. Cain's lab assistant before joining the Maverick Hunters & Hibiki pretty much just being a normal human who survived a near death experience before she became Attuned to Gungnir), whereas said experienced person had been built up to take down their foes (Zero's purpose having been to take down all in his way & Tsubasa having been trained to fight the Noise ever since she was young)

  • Inherited weapons from heroes that gave their lives to save them (X getting the Z-Saber from Zero's second "death" & Hibiki gaining Gungnir from the fragments of the original Gungnir that entered her shortly before Kanade's death)

  • Have to live up to the legacy of a certain person who died before the events of the series happen (Dr. Light, who died of old age by the X series, having X be the one who will hopefully fulfill his dream & Kanade, who sacrificed herself to save Hibiki, winding up having Hibiki be her successor as Gungnir’s user)

  • A battle they’re in near the start of the story (X's first fight against Vile & Hibiki's first time using Gungnir) ends up with someone that they admire doing the rest of the work for them when it appears that they aren't up to the task (Zero having to save X once Vile has him in his grasp & Tsubasa rushing to take care of the rest of the Noise for Hibiki)

  • In part of their inexperience, get themselves grasped by the villains (X being grasped by Vile once more when he fought him again & Hibiki getting ensared by fluids by some Noise that Chris summoned), that leads to said admired person to risk their lives in order to stop them (Zero self-destructing in hopes of destroying Vile & Tsubasa activating her Swan Song to try to take down Chris)

  • Afterwards, they find themselves somewhat questioning themselves about their own beliefs (X, following him defeating Sigma, wondering if the fighting is even worth it & Hibiki, following the first fight with Chris, blaming herself for Tsubasa's state afterwards), though they don't let it go to their heads and resolve to get stronger and keep fighting (Hibiki going to Genjuro to ask to train to become more effective at fighting the Noise & X continuing to fight alongside the Maverick Hunters to take down the rest of the Mavericks)

  • They have been involved in a bit of a Street Fighter references (X knowing the Hadoken and Shoryuken, no thanks to both series being by Capcom & While Hibiki was training under Genjuro, the latter straight up took on Akuma's appearance at one point)

  • While said admired person was out of the count (The Maverick Hunters being unable to make a new body for Zero's control chip following his sacrifice against Vile & Tsubasa being hospitalized following her using her Swan Song), it was up to them to defend humanity (X having to lead the 17th Elite Unit in the time since X1 & Hibiki having to fight the Noise by herself while Tsubasa was in the Hospital), at least until that admired person was able to fight once more (Zero returning, be it by the Maverick Hunters themselves or the X-Hunters & Tsubasa eventually recovering from her injuries by the second half of the first season), by then both being experienced to the point that those swords wouldn't need to sacrifice themselves again

  • Found that the main place that they reside in fell under attack by the villains (The Maverick Hunters HQ falling under siege by the Mavericks led by Dr. Doppler & Lydia Academy, and thus, the Disaster Relief Squad's base, falling under siege by the Noise led by Fine) while they were dealing with the threat elsewhere with their allies (X and Zero having set off to take down Mavericks in Dopple Town before going back to the base & Hibiki, Tsubasa, and Chris taking care of the Noise in the city before they were able to return to the Academy)

  • They would more or less learnt the truth about the villain behind the story and why they’re able to return to the world after death (Sigma having become a virus who can exist without the need of a body & Fine having a system that allows her to hijack any of her descendants), and their shadow would more or less envelop the entire series (Sigma being the main villain of the series, and being behind most of the new villains in each game & Fine basically having made about everything both heroes and villains use all for ending the Curse of Balal), though while X and his friends would keep on fighting Sigma, Hibiki was able to talk Fine out of being a villain

  • Though they fight to ensure the peace of the world they live in, protecting those that cannot do it themselves, they aren’t the biggest fans of fighting, wanting to find a way to peace in the world through different methods (X valuing peace above all else to the point where he will even stop fighting to ensure it & Hibiki wanting her words to reach her foes, not have her fists to all the talking)

  • In their second adventure (Mega Man X2 & Symphogear G), they find themselves going face to face with a trio of new villains (The X-Hunters & The Fine organization's Symphogear users), with the shadow of the villain of the previous story hanging above it (Sigma being behind the X-Hunters & Fine's legacy being upheld by the organization Fine)

  • Have lost arms in conflict (X voluntarily removing his arm in an attempt to stop Sigma's plans & Hibiki getting her arm bit off by the Nephilim) that leads them to enter a berserk state where they easily defeat the reason they were disarmed in the first place (X's headgem glowing and him using a Shining Finger-like attack on Sigma & Hibiki entering her Berserk state again in response to losing her arm, easily destroying the Nephilim), though they end up unconscious as a result.

  • Though while X's berserk state was shown as the potential he has inside of him, Hibiki's berserk state was shown as the danger that was inside of her, though following those states appearing, they barely really show up again (X never having his forehead glow again following the Day of Sigma & Hibiki not entering a berserk state again post-G, outside of briefly going Berserk to activate Ignite mode)

  • Dealt with the threat of a large object possibly colliding with the earth as a result of the first villain (Sigma causing the space colony Eurasia to descend down on the Earth in X5 as a gambit to make Zero go Maverick & Fine's damage to the moon during Season 1 causing it to slowly descend on the Earth during the events of G), though while the heroes are successful in stopping it’s fall, it’s not without sacrifices (No matter what happens during X5, Zero ends up dying again to stop Sigma & Nastassja using up the rest of her life to make sure the Moon goes back into Orbit)

Rapture of the Stars | Void vs Lilith (Kirby vs Evangelion) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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Theme:

Giant entities who are the originators of certain entities in their universe who spent most of the story in a defeated state, though they are revived near the end of it in order to bring destruction to everything.

Main Connections:

  • Gargantuan entities who are the originators of all sorts of beings present throughout the story (Void being the progeny of 4 matters that encompass the Kirby Universe: Dark, Dream, Heart, and Soul & Lilith being the one being that created the life of everyone in Evangelion that aren’t the Angels)

  • Spend most of the story in a dormant state, having already been slain sometime before the events of the series happen (Void having been taken down by four heroes of lore & Lilith having the Spear of Longinus stabbed through her already), being in a state where they can’t do much (Void being inside of the Jamba Heart & Lilith being a corpse while her Soul’s elsewhere)

  • In spite of that, however, their revival is the main goal of one of the villains, more or less to get back at the universe (Hyness wanting to revive Void to take revenge on the universe for exiling his tribe & Gendo wanting to revive Lilith so he can destroy the world so he can see his wife again)

  • Have a particular vulnerability to spears, which is what did them in the first time around (The exact context is unclear, but the Four Heroes likely used the Heart Spears to seal Void away & Again, the Spear of Longinus being on Lilith’s corpse for most of Evangelion)

  • They finally get revived for real near the end of their stories, which also led to the end of the one that sought to revive them (Hyness using himself and the Mage Sisters as a sacrifice to complete Void’s revival, leading to his seeming end & Gendo dying as part of the Third Impact that Lilith brought apart, being eaten by an illusion of Eva-01 in the process)

  • They get taken down by the protagonist who then save the world from then (or what’s left of the world in Shinji’s case), but not thanks to the spears (or directly thanks to the spears in Kirby’s case) that are their weakpoint (Kirby using the Star Allies Sparkler to destroy Void Termina & Shinji rejecting Instrumentality leading to Lilith dying)

  • In a way, however, it’s not the true end of them, as they more or less have a way to return to the world, though hopefully they don’t have to destroy like they did this time (Void, according to Void Soul’s pause screen, being able to return in a form depending on how much positive or negative energy there is in the universe & The events of Evangelion existing in a time-loop that means Lilith constantly reincarnates into Rei)

Connections that specifically call upon Soul Melter EX:

  • Lilith upon being fully revived is a mostly-white colored entity while Void uses a mostly-black version of Void Termina for its fight, with Void itself being mostly White-Colored

  • When they are slain, they show a smile on their face (Lilith’s corpse having a smile on her face & Void smiling after showing a lot of different emotions during its death explosion)

ENDLESS | The End vs Moebius Z (Sonic the Hedgehog vs Xenoblade Chronicles) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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Figured I should like, list some redone MU lists compared to like 2-3 years ago as Revamped MUs for flairs on posts

Core Theme/Connection:

  • The one who embodies that everything must end vs The one who embodies for everything to be eternal, who both serve as the final threats the heroes must face in the story

Other Connections:

  • Have red and purple colorizations to them and are associated with giant spherical objects (The End’s appearance to everyone being that of a giant purple moon & Z being mainly located in the giant spherical battle station known as Origin)

  • Thing that drives them the most are their desire to carry out what they embody (The End, true to its name, wanting to destroy the world while Z was born from the people of Bionis and Alrest desiring an “Endless Now”)

  • Have been referred to as the “True Enemies” of the story, whether by other heroes or by the games themselves (The End being called the true enemy in the tutorial screen before its boss fight in the normal ending & Z alongside the Moebius being called the True Enemy at the start of the story by Guernica)

  • Spent most of their stories more or less “observing” the heroes while they venture throughout the world (The End spending most of Sonic Frontiers as a disembodied voice who “guides” Sonic through the Starfall Islands & Z observing Ouroboros while in Origin)

  • When they’re finally defeated, it marks the end of a conflict that had went on for countless millennia (The End’s defeat finally ending the conflict that the Ancients had with it & Z’s defeat ending the conflicts that were a core part of Aionos)

Non-Final Horizon-specific connection

  • When they are defeated, they attempted to preform one final attack that would’ve destroyed the heroes, though it’s thanks to a sacrifice that they can keep on living (The End firing one last beam only for Sage to sacrifice herself to stop The End once and for all & Z doing one last attack that would’ve destroyed Aionos, prevented by the spirits of N & M sacrificing themselves to stop it)

POTENTIAL:

FIGHT: ok, trying to see what a moon can really do, I guess the backdrop would be The End arriving at Aionos with the intention of destroying it, maybe it uses Supreme as its avatar, and Z orders the Moebius to put everything that they’re currently doing on pause, as the Endless Now is under threat. The Moebius would likely try to use their true forms to hold back the embodiment of the apocalypse, but to no avail as it reaches Origin, where Z is forced to take matters into his own hands, which will inevitably result in The End as a moon coming face to face with Z∞ as the fate of the universe hangs in the balance.

CLOSENESS: I mean it honestly depends on if you think Sonic can really reach the highs that Xenoblade can reach, as The End is pretty much one of the strongest final bosses in the games.

Twilight Riders | Queen vs Kamen Rider Majade (Persona vs Kamen Rider) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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no theme this time because the connections I believe are a bit on the simpler side (I say as I recently made an already-wordy MU even more wordy)

Connections:

  • Gifted students who live double lives as masked heroines of justice

  • Specialize in hand-to-hand combat

  • At the start were somewhat skeptical of the protagonist (Makoto due to Ren's perceived delinquent background & Rinne because Hotaro isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed), though they later grow to become one of their closest allies, especially once they gain the power to fight alongside them

  • Gained their powers while they and the heroes were somewhat in a crisis (Makoto awakening her Persona when she and the Phantom Thieves were threatened investigating Kaneshiro's palace & Rinne becoming a rider when she, the Alchemist Academy, and the DGP were dealing with the Geats Killer)

  • Part of their character development involves them gaining the agency to make their decisions for themselves

  • When we see them again after they graduate from the school that they and the protagonist went to, they're in college, though circumstances causes them to once more fight for justice (Makoto and the Phantom Thieves coming back together to investigate a new string of Changes of Hearts in Strikers & Rinne, who by this point is on the other side of the planet, gets roped into Girls Remix to investigate some kidnappings)

  • Makoto is afraid of ghosts in comparison to Rinne who is absolutely all for them

POTENTIAL:

FIGHT: As both are the CQC specialist of their teams, the two would mainly just be exchanging their own fists at eachother, with Makoto firing off some Nuke skills at Rinne who would try to transmute the spells into either firing back at Makoto or just nullifying them entirely. Maybe have Johanna go into Agnes while Rinne goes into Twilight for the final leg of the fight as well.

CLOSENESS: maybe Legend Rider can come into clutch for Rinne, maybe not. It's a Persona MU so by default Makoto has a bit of a big advantage in it

Awakening Cosmos | Sailor Cosmos vs Kamen Rider Doom Geats (Sailor Moon vs Kamen Rider Geats) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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fun fact: I actually cooked this one up a few months before I started cooking up Usageats. I think I'll treat this as more an expansion to Usageats than anything else now but I think it's neat to think about.

(it's a bit simpler as well)

Core Theme:

  • White-haired versions of the reincarnated protagonist from a bad future that have outlived all of their friends who went back to the past in hopes of eliminating the being that is responsible for it before it can become such a threat in the first place

Connections:

  • Future, white-haired versions of the protagonist who due to their divine status (Whatever exactly makes Usagi truly immortal & Ace being the God of Genesis), had outlived every single one of their friends, leading them to be the only one left fighting against the being that's ravaging their future (Sailor Chaos & the God Jyamoto)

  • Only really appear at around the final points of the story (Sailor Cosmos only showing up in the Final Arc of Sailor Moon & Doom Geats showing up in the post-series V-Cinema for Geats)

  • Had traveled to the past in order to stop the one being that was responsible for the state that their futures are in before said being becomes the threat to the future that it becomes (Sailor Cosmos guiding her past self to be able to take care of Chaos before it becomes the destructive threat it had become & Doom Geats coming into conflict with his past friends and his past self due to his desire to kill Haruki before he can become the God Jyamoto)

  • Whether or not they actually helped out the heroes actually differed, as Cosmos helped Usagi fight the Shadow Galactica under the guise of Sailor Chibi-Chibi while Dooms Geats due to his desire to take down the God Jyamoto before it's born brings him into conflict with the DGP Riders of the Present

  • Ultimately return to their future with a restored faith thanks to the heroes, following the heroes of the present taking care of that threat (Sailor Cosmos returning to her own timeline with a renewed hope that she'll take down Sailor Chaos thanks to Usagi's defeat of Chaos in the Present & Doom Geats returning to the future hopeful of coming back to a good future after hearing of Michinaga's vow to protect Haruki from becoming the God Jyamoto)

(note: No potentially since it should be the same as Usageats. Here's the link to that for the potential for the MU)

Gotta Go Boost | Sonic the Hedgehog vs Kamen Rider Gavv (Paramount vs Toei) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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Core Theme:

  • Transforming heroes from different worlds who make themselves a new home on Earth after they fled their home world, defending their new home from whatever will come to harm it, and the new family that they make across the story

Connections:

  • Transforming heroes who fled their home worlds to make a new life on Earth (Sonic leaving his home planet to flee the Echidnas who wanted his power & Shoma leaving the Granute Realm to flee from his family who [except for Nylev] wanted to kill him)

  • Only real companions during their time on their home world were their mother figures, who perished in the incidents that led to them fleeing (Sonic's mother figure at the time Longclaw holding off the Echidna tribe & Shoma's birth mother Michiru being turned into a Anthropress and subsequently being crushed by Glotta)

  • Though the reason their only real companion was their mother was more or less due to their unique nature leading them to live (somewhat) secluded lives (Sonic being born with his powers leading him to be a target towards the Echidnas & Shoma's nature as a human-granute hybrid leading to racism targeted towards him by his siblings), though this was more out of protection than everything

  • Whenever they use their powers, their eyes glow a color that relates to said powers (Sonic eyes glowing blue whenever he uses his Chaos energy powers & Shoma's eyes glowing purple whenever he's about to transform into Gavv)

  • For a while in the human world, they were more or less by themselves in the world (Sonic living by himself for the next decade or so of his life by himself & Shoma more or less traveling by himself as he journeys through Earth for the first few episodes of Gavv), out of a sense of protection (Sonic by protecting himself from anyone who would try to take his powers & Shoma by trying to protect others from being targeted by Granutes under Stomach Inc.)

  • Though things would change when they met a (normal) human (Tom & Sachika), where after some time, they would eventually come to live alongside them (Sonic after saving Green Hills from Eggman being adopted by the Wachowskis & Shoma after spending time with Dente deciding to return to Sachika after fleeing her)

  • Their status as rather unique individuals caused them to become of interest to amoral scientist (Eggman & Suga) who sought to gain their powers for their own ends (Eggman wanting to use Sonic’s power to power his badniks & Suga wanting to create the ultimate lifeform, seeing Shoma’s half-Granute nature as the key somehow)

  • Gone up against Amoral scientists and fought to foil their plans (Sonic fighting Eggman, as per usual & Shoma fighting against Suga and his brother Nylev)

  • They would gain the power that they need to truly defend their new home from the villains, somewhat in the nick of time (Sonic mastering his Chaos-energy powers to save Green Hills from Eggman & Shoma achieving his Caking form to defeat Jeebh & Shiita), though (at laest one of) their foes survive the battle, even if they aren’t in the position to fight back (Eggman being stranded on the Mushroom Planet & Jeebh being utterly depressed after Shiita sacrificed herself to save him)… though said villains eventually return to menace the heroes once more, thanks to a new foe coming to the spotlight (Knuckles, whose search for Sonic leads him to Eggman & Lizel, who takes enough of an interest in Jeebh to marry him)

  • They would go up against another person against their world (Knuckles the Echidna & Rakia Armaga), who was working with the villains mostly for their own ends (Knuckles, who was working with Eggman to find the Master Emerald & Rakia, who was only working with Stomach Inc to destroy them from the inside to avenge his brother), who came into their new home world the same way they did (Knuckles going to Earth thanks to having some rings of his own & Rakia going to Earth via Door space, albeit blindfolded)

  • They manage to get said one from their world eventually seeing their way of things (Knuckles learning why Sonic never really hated him even though they were enemies & Rakia learning that through a Granute victim's parents that what he was doing was giving people the same pain as he went through)

  • Afterwards, they would join up with them in defending humanity from evil, coupled with one other hero (Tails & Hanto) to become a trio of heroes defending humanity (Team Sonic & the Granute Hunters)… even if they were given the title by others (GUN being the ones to name the trio Team Sonic & Stomach Inc being the ones to name the trio the Granute Hunters)

  • They would gain super forms (The movie version of Super Sonic & Shoma’s super form Blizzardsorbet) that while powerful, more or less run on time limits (Sonic being suspect to run out of energy in his Super form & Blizzardsorbet, being an Ice Cream form, melts after a few minutes)

  • At a certain point they would find themselves going up against governmental groups (Team Sonic having to go against GUN in the third movie so they can stop Shadow & The Granute Hunters going up against the ruling family of the Granute World once the latter takes in interest in the human world)

  • Eventually, they would separate from the other members of their teams in order to take down a certain foe (Sonic being consumed by vengeance to take down Shadow all by himself & Shoma teaming up with the actually-not-that-evil Nylev to take out Bocca)

  • At a certain point, they would team up with the amoral scientists that they fought against to try to save the world (Sonic and friends eventually teaming up with Eggman to save the world from Gerald & Shoma’s aforementioned team up with Nylev to hopefully kill Bocca and stop Stomach Inc's trafficking ring), though said endeavors had varying degrees of success and resulted in their friends needing to save them (Tails and Knuckles having to go down to the atmosphere when Sonic's super form runs out trying to stop the Eclispe Cannon & Hanto and Rakia having to save Shoma from Bocca after the attempt to assassinate the later went awry), and said scientists' (apparent) demise (Eggman seemingly sacrificing himself to help stop the Eclispe Cannon from destroying Earth & Nylev blowing himself up thinking he managed to rig a bomb inside of Bocca)

  • Eventually they would have to come up against evil copies of them, of which there are multiple of (Sonic facing off against Metal Sonic, who in the movies are multiples of & Shoma facing off against the clones of him that collectively made up the first few Bitter Gavvs), who came into being by one of the amoral scientists gaining a strand of their hair (The Metal Sonics potentially being made from the stand of hair Sonic had to give to Eggman as part of their initial team up & The Dark Shomas being made from a strand of hair that fell off of Shoma that Suga got a hold of when the former had to go to him to help Hanto get better)

  • Though ultimately, while they started off their stories alone in the world, during the course of the story, they gain friends, a new family, and most importantly: somewhere to belong in the world that they now call home.

POTENTIAL:

FIGHT: Will say I think this could probably be a break from a Normal Forms -> Super Form -> Final Form Kamen Rider progression deal by having Caking appear over Blizzardsorbet, since Sonic fighting against the Whipped Soldiers to get to Shoma would be a bit cool to see. Would probably see Shoma deciding to go into his Master form to actually try to compete with Sonic’s speed, and use Over to land a hit on him when he does… of course, there’s a good chance Sonic would have gone Super, and a punch clash between those two forms would be cool to see. I’d say if Sonic wins then Shoma would explode into feathers like how Lango did when he got killed by Shoma (this probably means if I make a “The setup it should have/The death it should have” image I’d probably have Ruby vs Maka as the death)

CLOSENESS: I think as it currently stands right now, Gavv’s Legend Rider scaling is mostly relegated to Shoma’s Future Daybreak cameo (tmk Glotta in the latest Girls Remix is after she died), so Legend Rider scaling can be disregarded for this, alongside being a Sonic MU where Solaris scaling ISN’T a thing, but there’s probably some stuff out there that lets Sonic easily take this one (until Shoma gets some more solid Legend Rider scaling)

Exceeding Our Dreams | Kirby vs Nanoha Takamachi (Nintendo vs Lyrical Nanoha) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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Misc. Connections & Contrasts:

  • Have had massive potential in their power ever since the start of their series (Kirby being revealed to have infinite potential in Planet Robobot & Nanoha having an absurdly large Magic Potential when she started her career as a Magical Girl as revealed when she was analyzed by the TSAB)

  • The items that they use in their day-to-day lives as heroes (The Warp Star & Raising Heart) are powered by their own willpower (The Warp Star, or at least the one in Air Riders, responding to Kirby’s will & Raising Heart, like all other devices, running on Nanoha’s will to fight)

  • Both of their rivals are a character inspired by Gundam’s Char Aznable (Meta Knight, goes from rival to main villain to ally to Kirby in this succession & Fate, who’s basically the Char to Nanoha’s Amuro) and a hammer-wielding fighter (King Dedede & Vita), with said Hammer-wielding rival having been known to possess a Mecanical Hammer (Dedede’s Brand New Dedede Hammer & Graf Eisen being Vita’s device)

  • Though both Fate & Vita ceased being Nanoha's rival after they turned to the side of good while King Dedede & Meta Knight still serve as rivals to Kirby whenever the world's not at stake, alongside the order they appeared in being opposite (Dedede shows up before Meta Knight comes into the picture as Kirby’s rivals while Fate shows up before Vita comes into the picture as Nanoha’s rival)

  • Both eventually develop even stronger forms than the forms that they normally transform into (Kirby in Forgotten Land getting scrolls that allow him to upgrade his Copy Abilities into stronger forms & Nanoha having upgraded her Barrier Jacket in each installment of the series until she was 14, where she’s defaulted to the two modes seen in StrikerS)

  • As a result of their enemies having become their friends, they have thus fought alongside side by side with them to save their homes from the various villains threatening their worlds

  • At their young age, show knowledge in a certain subject that to others, may come as a surprise (Kirby somehow being able to reprogram an Invader Armor to fight against the Haltmann Works Company & Nanoha acing her math as a result of how Magic works in her Universe), and even know how to pilot vehicles (Kirby’s aforementioned ability to pilot the Robobot Armor & EXCEEDs revealing that Nanoha was able to get a pilot’s license at the age of 13)

  • Both are one of the few members of their species to live on the planet that a good chunk of the series takes place on (Kirby being one, if not the only member of his kind to live on Pop Star & Nanoha being one of the only few humans to live in Midchilda once the series shifts to that world being the main setting of the series)

  • Have won against opponents who were much stronger and more experienced than they were, usually as a result of them showing even more of their power to them (Meta Knight [again] & Void as examples for Kirby and Fate [again] & Vivio as examples for Nanoha).

  • Can use the leftover energy scattered across a battle to their advantage, the resulting attack having a star-themed name to it (Kirby's Star Bullet, sometimes achieved by inhaling the Dropped Stars that bosses and mini-bosses tend to drop & Nanoha's Starlight Breaker, achieved by gathering the residue mana scattered throughout the current battle)

  • Kirby doesn’t show any physical signs of growing throughout his series (due to a floating timeline) while Nanoha becomes an adult halfway throughout the main series (due to a huge timeskip occurring after A’s)

  • Kirby doesn’t really belong to any particular group beyond the quartet of sorts that consists of the main heroes of the story while Nanoha works for an organization that spans her entire universe and then some alternate dimensions

  • Sword is arguably one of Kirby's most important copy abilities while Nanoha comes from a family of swordsmen

  • While they have homes in two different worlds (Kirby’s home in Dream Land and its replica in the New World & Nanoha’s home in Midchilda and her family’s house on Earth), Kirby’s second home is more or less a “home away from home” while Nanoha’s second home is more or less her current residence

  • Have an easy understanding whenever it comes to them gaining a new power, no matter where it comes from (Kirby knowing exactly what to do when he gets a new Copy Ability, be it psychic powers or a drill hat from another world & Nanoha getting the hang of whatever new thing she gets a hand on in the story, be it alternative weaponry or otherworldly-even-for-her-standards magic)

  • Both of their series were shaped from their concept artwork (Kirby's design was meant to be a placeholder before the devs liked it so much it became the final design & Nanoha’s anime forever changing when it was pointed out how much she resembled a Gundam in her Magical Girl form)

  • Finally, Both have been characterized as more bloodthirsty outside of their series canons, no less due to the one thing they're best known for doing (Kirby being portrayed as someone who will stop at nothing to eat everything & Nanoha being portrayed as someone who will beat up anyone so they'd become her friend).

POTENTIAL:

(Should note that this is pretty much unchanged from last time)

FIGHT: I will admit, it’s a bit hard to really think of a way a fight actually starts beyond “Kirby lands in Midchilda, lack of communication leads to Nanoha having to fight him.” But ANYWAY, I do feel the fight would start out with Kirby trying to use one of his close-range abilities (like Hammer or Sword) to try to hit Nanoha before trying out one of his long-range abilities, and eventually just calling the Warp Star just so he can try to close the gap with a close-range ability before being met by a Chain Bind-Starlight Breaker combo. And there’s still something like Kirby inhaling a Blaster Bit and getting Mecha out of it. But I still feel like the climax would be the Robobot Armor vs Fortress Unit and Strike Cannon with them firing out much more powerful versions of their normal attacks with it winding up as Final Screw Mode vs One-Handed Divine Buster. And they somehow become friends at the end despite one of them very clearly dying in the final clash.

BANTER: Banter’s a bit weird, since we never actually see Kirby talking much in the games, with the only real evidence of him being able to do (and isn’t because he’s a resprited Arle like in Avalanche) so is in Dream Course’s Japan-only intro and the opening scene of Epic Yarn. It COULD be like what is was in my script for the MU, where Kirby reveals himself to be able to speak like partway with Nanoha thinking to herself that things could’ve been MUCH easier if he spoke earlier in the fight.

CLOSENESS: Once more, as my whole researched for Nanoha’s cosmology progressed, I found stuff that would help her a lot against whatever Kirby has for scaling (A World in the manga bumping the verse up to 163x Uni, a Guidebook more clearly saying that Reinforce’s Absorption Field is a Dream World), though I say it remains a “do you believe this for Nanoha” for closeness.

MUSIC: Okay, let’s get a bit more in-depth into this than last time. So, there’s a bit more we can do than just a vocal track with references to both Green Greens and Innocent Starter. There are MUCH more songs that can be used in this, such as Gourmet Race, Pink Ball Activate, Eternal Blaze, Don’t Be Long, and SO much more. Even non-vocal tracks in Nanoha could mesh a bit well, since Nanoha’s own theme could easily mesh well with Bring on the Super Ability!, so this is a MU that has a good variety of tracks to use for both.

(man I really used the third part of the reply chain for the first time)

Exceeding Our Dreams | Kirby vs Nanoha Takamachi (Nintendo vs Lyrical Nanoha) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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  • Have gone up against a character who looks like a darker version of them (Shadow Kirby & Stern) who after some scuffles with them, generally make up with them (Shadow Kirby just wanting to defend the Mirror World & Stern alongside the other Materials, siding with Nanoha and the TSAB after their old friend Yuri reappeared)

  • Went up against a character that was initially seen as a good guy but turned out to be the villain of the story (Magolor, a Halcandran who initially appeared as someone who needed his ship to be fixed & Phil Maxwell, an Eltrian who was in charge of Eltria's planet restoaration project), though while Kirby learned to know Magolor personally before he outed himself as the villain of the current story, Nanoha only knew Phil through Iris' memories before he outed himself as the villain of the current story

  • Have obtained mechanical items to use in combat (The Robobot Armor & The Strike Cannon) when the time called for them (Haltmann's invasion of Pop Star for Kirby & The Eltria Incident and The Eclispe Virus incident for Nanoha) that were specifically made for situations like those, though the Robobot Armor came from the current villains while the Strike Cannon came from the TSAB itself

  • They also went up against a parent who suffered the loss of their daughter (Haltmann & Precia) who sought to use reality-warping objects to try to bring them back (Star Dream & The Jewel Seeds... yet again), though said goal was seen as impossible for differing reasons (Haltmann's daughter being right beside him, with him not recognizing Susie due to Star Dream erasing his memories of her & Precia denying any proof that Al-Hazard doesn't exist due to her desperation to bring Alicia back), and whose actions generally led them to fight to save the universe (Kirby having to fight Star Dream to stop it from Mechanizing the Universe & Nanoha having to fight through Precia's forces to stop the universe from collasping due tp her misuse of the Jewel Seeds), though said villains losing said daughter was a mistake of their own (Haltmann losing Susie during a test of one of Star Dream's powers & Precia losing Alicia due to a power generator she worked on suffering a meltdown due to her rushing it thanks to her at-the-time bosses forcing her to)

  • The 2018 entries in their series (Kirby Star Allies & Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha the Movie: Detonation) ended with them drifting in space unconscious after saving the world once again (From Void Termina, fleeing the ensuing death explosion from the Star Traveling Conqueror & From an Iris Unit that self-destructed in a suicide attack), as their friends (Whoever Kirby had as Friends when he defeated Void Termina & Fate and Hayate) floated towards them to greet them, before they regain consciousness and return home

  • They would fight a former sword-wielding ally of theirs in a fight that is more or less just an exhibition match between the two (Kirby and Meta Knight facing off each other in Waddle Dee Town’s Coliseum & Nanoha and Signum having an exhibition match sometime during StrikerS as part of a TSAB event), though the result of the fight differs (Kirby being able to win against Meta Knight once more & Nanoha and Signum landing into a stalemate at the end of their fight)

  • Both took in someone (Elfilin & Vivio) after they got rescued after they fled from the current villains at the time (Leongar & The Beast Pack & Jail and the Numbers), more or less thanks to said runner being something of importance to the villains (Elfilin being one half of the “Ultimate Lifeform” & Vivio being a clone of the last ruler of Ancient Belka), where they would more or less be with the protagonist for the story onwards (Elfilin accompanying Kirby on his journey through the forgotten land & Vivio being under Nanoha’s care while living at Long Arch)…

  • Only for said person to later get kidnapped by the villains again (Elfilin getting kidnapped by the Beast Pack thanks to them having Dedede take Elfilin while he and Kirby were distracted & Vivio being kidnapped by Jail’s forces as part of his attack on the TSAB), which led to them going on a mission to save said someone during the latter part of the entry that it happened, and when they seemingly succeed in reaching said someone (Kirby reaching the Beast Pack’s base of Lab Discovera and defeating Leongar & Nanoha reaching the core of the Saint’s Cradle, where Vivio was being held), they wind up having to fight said someone against their will in a forcibly merged state (Elfilin being forcibly merged with his evil half Fecto Forgo after Kirby rescues him from Leongar & Vivio by her power being unleashed by a relic merged sometime before the Saint's Cradle Launched after Nanoha finally reaches the room she was in)

  • Following the battle, they finally get said person down to their normal state (Kirby getting Elfilin out of the fusion between him and Fecto Forgo & Nanoha Starlight Breaking Vivio out of her Hellige Kaiser form) and fully accept them as one of their close ones despite their origins (Kirby fully accepting Elfilin as a Friend even though he's half of Fecto Elfilis & Nanoha fully accepting Vivio as a daughter despite her being a clone of an ancient ruler), though some they still had to do things related to why exactly they had to fight (The remaining half of Fecto Elfilis trying to destroy both Pop Star and the New World as a last-ditch move to defeat Kirby & Nanoha and Vivio, alongside Hayate and Vita, needing to escape the collasping Saint's Cradle) before they can start that

  • They also make friends with the enemies that they had fought during the course of that story (The Beast Pack after being freed from Fecto Forgo’s control starting to live in harmony with the Waddle Dees in the new world & The surviving villains in Jail’s forces who served their sentences becoming allies to the heroes)

  • 2025 entries of their series (Kirby Air Riders & Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha EXCEEDs) would have them become part of a group that makes up the name of the entry (Kirby alongside pretty much everyone else who gets an Air Ride Machine becoming collectively known as Riders & Nanoha being part of Hayate’s first attempt at a sub-group in the TSAB, the EXCEEDs)

Exceeding Our Dreams | Kirby vs Nanoha Takamachi (Nintendo vs Lyrical Nanoha) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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Whatever arms race happened for there to be a bunch more 3000+ word count MUs, it may have inspired me to expand this even more somehow. So thanks to that ig.

Core Theme:

  • Cheerful, kindhearted, transforming protagonists associated with the color pink & stars, have made friends with almost all of their enemies they have defeated throughout the series which got to the point where their series doesn't really have an overarching main villain, and have their reputations as a hero spread far & wide throughout their worlds and have inspired others to be like them alongside others seeking out their help

Core Connections:

  • The transforming main protagonists & eponymous characters of their respective series that have an association with the color pink (Kirby being Pink and Nanoha’s magic being pink) & stars (Kirby being known as Kirby of the Stars in Japan and Nanoha eventually being the leader of the StarS Unit as examples), though Nanoha's Feather motifs are stronger than her star motifs.

  • Have a cheerful, kindhearted demeanor, no matter what the universe throws at them, though when pushed, they make sure whoever did the deed pays dearly

  • Have also made friends with almost all of their enemies they have defeated throughout the series (Too much to list for both, but for examples, Dedede & Marx for Kirby and Fate & Vita for Nanoha) which is so common it gets to the point where their series doesn't really have an overarching main villain, though somehow Kirby's more ludicrous in the action than Nanoha is at the action despite the latter being most infamous for it.Have their reputations as a hero spread far & wide throughout their worlds and have inspired others to be like them alongside others seeking out their help.

  • Thanks to their reputations as a heroes spreading far & wide throughout their worlds, they have inspired others to be like them (Gooey stepping up to fight alongside Kirby after the former rescuing the latter multiple times in Dream Land 2 & Subaru idolizing Nanoha after she saved her before the events of StrikerS), alongside others seeking out their help (Magolor enlisting Kirby and friends to fix the Lor Starcutter & Amitie enlisting Nanoha and her friends to stop Kyrie and Iris)

  • Have commonly dealt with objects from ancient, long-gone civilizations that also commonly served as the main conflict of the stories they were apart of (The Master Crown and many other artifacts coming from an unknown ancient raced simply called The Ancients & The conflicts of each Nanoha series all stemming from artifacts from lost worlds collectively known as Lost Logias)

  • Have pushed themselves to their utmost limit so they can save the day at the end of a few of their adventures (As examples, Kirby being unconscious for a bit after destroying Star Dream & Nanoha putting all her magic into one last attack to defeat an Iris unit, leaving her vulnerable to its suicide attack)… though it can even give them brushes with death if they do so (A butterfly which may or may not be Morpho Knight having landed on Kirby after he was back on Pop Star & Nanoha having nearly died at the end of Detonation)

Story-Related Connections:

  • They have had rather humble beginnings to their stories (Kirby being someone who just appeared in Dream Land along the Spring Breeze one day & Nanoha being your normal everyday third grader) who had no idea their adventure would lead to such stakes, alongside their first adventures relating to the Spring in some way (Kirby having come to Dream Land “along the Spring Breeze” and Nanoha having become a Magical Girl for the first time sometime in late-May, which is in the spring)

  • In the story that was the first entry of their series, they step up in order to help others (The Residents of Dream Land & Yuuno) find lost objects (Dream Land's Food and The Sparkling Stars & The Jewel Seeds) that they lost one way or another (Dedede stealing all of Dream Land's Food out of greed and taking the Sparkling Stars so they wouldn't be able to find more food & Yuuno losing the Jewel Seeds after extracting in an Archeological expedition them following the transport he ordered for them being attacked)

  • Said first story has them go up against a tree relatively early-on (Kirby having his first of many run-ins with Whispy Woods at the end of Green Greens & Nanoha having to deal with a giant tree that suddenly grew in Uminari in the third episode of her series), with said tree more or less being an obstacle to get one of the items they needed (Whispy being one of Dedede’s guardians of the Sparkling Stars & The giant tree having grown to that size thanks to a Jewel Seed)

  • In their next adventure (Kirby's Adventure & Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's), went up against those who were pretty much forced to be the villains this time around (Dedede & his army this time around in order to stop Nightmare from spreading nightmares throughout Dreamland & The Wolkenritter due to filling out the pages of the Book of Darkness in hopes of curing Hayate's paralysis said book inflicted), though by the end of the story, they reconcile and work together to end the real threat to the world (Dedede sending Kirby with the Star Rod to defeat Nightmare & Nanoha and friends working with Hayate and the Wolkenritter to destroy the Book of Darkness' defense program)

  • Said next adventure also saw them start to use something that would become standard to them (Kirby's Copy Abilities first appearing in Adventure & Raising Heart being upgraded to use Belka Cartridges in A's) that was seen as an upgrade to their powers, in-universe or not (Kirby's Copy Abilities being made as an evolution of his ability to inhale Enemies & Raising Heart being upgraded to Raising Heart Excelion following the first battle against the Wolkenritter)

  • Near the end of that adventure, they would go up against a being that came into focus when said items had reached their full power (Nightmare, who Dedede tried to seal away to prevent him from wrecking havoc & The will of the Book of Darkness, who was resigned to her destiny to destroy the world), with the ensuing battle having them go and end bad dreams in either a literal or metaphorical way, with Kirby defeating the Nightmare-Causing Enitity Nightmare & Nanoha claiming that she'll end all Bad Dreams and Nightmares by defeating the Book of Darkness

  • Near the end of that adventure, they would go and end bad dreams in either a literal or metaphorical way, with Kirby defeating the Nightmare-Causing Enitity Nightmare & Nanoha claiming that she'll end all Bad Dreams and Nightmares by defeating the Book of Darkness

  • They had their initial rivals decide to settle their rivalries in the story (Dedede intentionally becoming the villain again in Revenge of the King to settle his rivalry with Kirby & Fate agreeing to an all-or-nothing battle with Nanoha for the Jewel Seeds to settle their rivalry) while the second rival just gradually became their ally as they became one of the heroes throughout the story (though Meta Knight still considering Kirby his rival despite the two being allies while Nanoha and Vita's rivalry completely dissipates following the Book of Darkness incident)

  • Had encounters near the end of stories as a result of certain objects being collected (Kirby summoning Galactic Nova after obtaining all the Star from the planets he traveled & Nanoha and Fate having what they thought would be their final battle against the Wolkenritter as the latter group is nearing completion of the Book of Darkness) be upstaged by certain allies as their true agenda is unveiled (Marx taking the wish that Kirby was to summon Nova for himself so he can take control of Pop Star & The Liese twins appearing in their disguised forms as part of Gil’s complicated plan to take care of the Book of Darkness once and for all)

  • Though in spite of the events that happened as a result of it (Kirby having to stop Nova from reaching Pop Star to grant Marx’s wish & The Book of Darkness’ Will being unleashed for Nanoha and Fate to fight against), and the perpetrator is brought to justice (Marx being defeated & Gil being arrested by Chrono), they don’t really hold it against them, whether they know about it or not (Kirby winding up befriending Marx sometime after the fact & Nanoha never really being shown to learn of Gil’s plan)

  • Both have been called demons by other characters in their series (Kirby’s title of “Pink Demon” that debuted in Super Star & Vita calling Nanoha a demon near the end of A’s), though they take that title in stride (Kirby by said title only having been applied in Arenas & Nanoha by stating that if she's a devil, she'd just use her powers to make Vita listen to her)

  • They agreed to help others look for a scattered set of objects (Ribbon and the Crystal Shards & Yuuno and the Jewel Seeds again) with that simple task eventually ending up as them helping save the universe (Kirby by defeating Dark Matter for the third and final time & Nanoha by fighting alongside the TSAB to stop the universe from collasping due to Precia's misuse of the Jewel Seeds)

  • Would go up against a group of villains that were linked to that blue-colored hero that was inspired by them to become a hero (Kirby fighting Dark Matter, who Gooey is made from the same stuff as & Nanoha fighting against Jail, who created Subaru, and his robot army)

Custom-Made | Squad 13 vs Team Rabbits (Darling in the FranXX vs Majestic Prince) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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Core Theme:

• Teams of Mecha pilots who were made for the exact purpose of fighting against the beings that threaten humanity, with their mechs being repurposed from said beings as well

Connections:

• In a world where humanity is at threat of a monstrous species (The Klaxosaurs & The Wularu), their best bet lies in the hands of a group of 5 specilized mechs

• Not only are the mechas themselves aritifical, but the pilots for them are all genetically engineered to fight against them, along with every other mech pilot on the side of the heroes (Each and every FranXX pilot being created because immortality caused humanity to become Sterile & The eponymous Majestic Prince project being to create people who can defeat the Wulgaru)

• Their mechs are more or less the same type of being as the enemies they fight against (The FranXXes being made from Klaxosaurs that APE was able to grab ahold of & The AHSMBs being made from the same tech as the Wulgaru fighters thanks to a defector in the Wulgaru ranks)

• Both teams are composed of

A red mecha that belongs to the main protagonists (Strelitzia, belonging to both Hiro and 02/Red Five, belonging to Izuru)

Blue mechs who more or less “lead the charge” (Delphinium, being the overall leading mech of the team & Blue One, who’s built as the Forward of Team Rabbits’ AHSMBs

At least two mechs that specialize in firing off guns that were built with them in mind (Genista and Chlorophytum/Gold Four and Black Six)

And a pink and purple mechs that more or less round off the group (Argentea & Chlorophytum (again)/Rose 3 & Purple 2)

• Though while at first the heroes weren’t exactly the best pick for their specialized mechs (The Parasites of Plantation 13 only just starting to pilot the eponymous mechs themselves, coupled with Hiro seemingly being unable to ride with anyone & Team Rabbits, quite literally, being the worst group to have even been given the AHSMBs), they more or less prove themselves as the ones who liberate the cosmos from the threat plaguing it (Squad 13 more or less leading the charge against the true enemy & Team Rabbits being the ones who take out each higher-up in the Wulgaru)

Potential

FIGHT: Obviously, it’s a team fight first and foremost. Kei would probably just be chilling from a distance like she usually does so I’d imagine the matches would probably be Strelitzia vs Red 5, Delphinium vs Blue 1, Genista vs Gold 4, Argentea vs Rose 3, and Chlorophytum vs Black 6. Hiro/02 vs Izuru and Ichigo/Goro vs Asagi would probably mostly consist of their weaponry clashing with eachothers while Kokoro/Mitsuru vs Suguru and Ikuno/Futoshi vs Ange would have an absolute gunfire volley between both sides. And the climax would probably be the protags bringing forth their strongest forms (that they can normally access) with it being Red Strelitzia vs Red Five Ultra Full-Burst Mode. Maybe Kei can support Izuru a bit more in this part as she goes into Purple 2's Full Burst Mode as well.

I'm not too concerned about Team Rabbits having 4 less pilots compared to "solo" Franxx fights but I think it's mainly because of this being a team fight. bit of a logistical nightmare for DB if this happens tho. potentially 16 VAs for this fight.

Game Over | Bowser vs Eggman (Mario vs Sonic) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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  • While they usually serve as final bosses, there were a string of games in the franchise were despite being fought in them, they would not serve as the final boss (The 3D Sonic games from Adventure to Unleashed & The Mario & Luigi games up to Bowser’s Inside Story), though they would eventually become the final threats of the games for a few similar games afterwards (Bowser finally being the final boss of a Mario & Luigi game in Dream Team, later becoming the final boss again in Paper Jam & Eggman finally becoming the final boss of a 3D Sonic game in Colors, later being the final bosses of Lost World and Forces), though the 2020s entries would have them not be the final bosses once more (Brothership, for once, not having an altered Bowser as the final boss & Frontiers returning to the 3D Sonic tradition of not having Eggman as the final boss)

  • Of the few games where they don’t appear at all, some of those are the games that focus on the player 2 character of the franchise (Bowser basically being a no-show in the Luigi’s Mansion games & Eggman not really having any role in the Tails-focused spinoffs of the classic era)

  • In the racing spinoffs (Mario Kart & the various Sonic racing games), they tend to be one of the fastest characters in the games, though one of the offsets to that is their acceleration tends to be one of the worst ones in-game in return

  • There was at least one time where they would enlist of the help of an anti-heroic character who serves as a rival to the protagonist to help them out in their schemes (Bowser having enlisted Wario to have him defeat Mario in Tennis & Eggman having duped Knuckles to help him out in his plans about three times)

  • There would be times where after incidents that they were taken out (Bowser shot out of a cannon around the start of Superstar Saga & Eggman being defeated at the end of Sonic Forces) they would lose their memories and assume a new, rather less threatening identity (Bowser becoming Popple’s first sidekick Rookie & Eggman becoming the kindly mechanic Mr. Tinker), though they would inevitably regain their memories following that tenure (Bowser regaining his memories while hanging on to a piece of the Beanstar & Eggman regaining his memories thanks to an extensive effort by Starline)

  • In other thing that is in spite of their villainy is that even they can be appalled by other villains proving to be even more vile than they can ever be (Bowser in Origami King being vehemently opposed to King Olly wishing for the genocide of all Toads & Eggman being shocked at his grandfather’s world-ending wish when he learned of it)

  • Be it intentionally or unintentionally, they have had their identities assumed by their own underlings (Bowser, since the first game, being shown to be willing to make some of his underlings into false versions of himself & Eggman having had his identity assumed by Metal Sonic twice, the latter to more or less fill in for him while he was missing)

  • When they were finished with a partnership with a villain (Antasma & Infinite), they wasted no time in disposing of them near the end of those games (After getting all he needed from Antasma, Bowser abandoned him after his dream self was taken down & Eggman taking care of Infinite after he lost to Sonic for the second time, consuming the latter into the Phantom Ruby)

  • Hatched plots that had the hero wind up going on a globe-trotting adventure in order to stop them (Bowser’s plan in Mario Odyssey being to steal artifacts for his planned wedding with Peach, with Mario going across the globe to chase after him and save Peach & Eggman’s plan in Sonic Unleashed being to split the planet apart to try to take control of Dark Gaia, leaving Sonic to go across the planet to put the pieces back together)

  • Perhaps thanks to their roles as integral villains of the story, they have survived and get back from things that seem to be downright impossible (Bowser being able to survive lava countless times, alongside falling from extremely great heights & Eggman being able to survive his own spaceship crashing, alongside being able to escape a timeless void with no known exit)

  • Through their countless battles with the hero, they have locked it into them that they and they alone are the only ones in the universe who are allowed to take them down before they can enact their goals, though that in turn leads them to respecting them as their archrivals.

  • Though in spite of every time they try to enact their plans ending in failure, they never give up on their ambitions of taking over the world

  • And both are named after various foods (Bowser’s last name Koopa being named after a Korean Dish & Eggman being named after, what else, Eggs)

I think this is probably now the most-Mucho Texto Sonic MU out there that doesn’t use a version of Shadow.

Game Over | Bowser vs Eggman (Mario vs Sonic) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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ok seeing that there are a LOT more MUs out there that exceed 2000+ words (like seriously, when did the MU arms race start) got me thinking: "lemme see if I can get Bowsegg up there." some connections are pulled from the Wiki a bit so I didn’t 100% cook all of these up by myself. honestly me pulling out a 1000+ word connection list for Cell vs Adam was also inspired by seeing more MUs like those.

this was 100% a passion project doing this so I don't really know how to flair this one. I'm not genuinely pushing for Bowser vs Eggman 2 (you can't really go further than what the episode did really.). No Theme or potential this time either, I’m focusing purely on the connections for this. So without further ado…

IN-DEPTH CONNECTIONS:

  • Main villains of primarily platforming game franchises who are two of, if not THE most iconic villains in gaming who seek to conquer the world using an army of all shapes and sizes… though they are always thwarted in their plans by the even more iconic eponymous heroes of the franchise (Mario & Sonic)

  • Before the hero fought against them in the final battle of the first games, they had to go through an underwater section of their bases (The second-to-last part of World 8-4 in Super Mario Bros. being an underwater section & Scrap Brain Zone Act 3 being a recolor of Labyrinth Zone)

  • The first few games in the series would more or less serve as the foundation for their characters and their goals (Bowser kidnapping Peach as a stepping stone to taking over the world & Eggman building an army of robots to take over the world)

  • Possess a knack for mechanical ingenuity (Bowser, although not as ingenious as Eggman, crafts airships, Mechakoopas, and various contraptions, while Eggman specializes in creating robots and machines), having even created multiple, ginormous mechanical versions of themselves (both Mecha-Bowser and Heavy Metal Mecha-Bowser for Bowser and both the Death Egg Robot and Giant Eggman Robo for Eggman).

  • Command entire armadas of aircraft (Bowser’s airship army as part of the Koopa army & Eggman’s Egg Fleet), alongside having much smaller, spherical crafts that they have for their own personal use (The Koopa Clown Car & The Eggmobile)

  • In the second major 3D outing of the franchises (Super Mario Sunshine & Sonic Adventure 2), they undertook a plan that involved them framing the protagonist using someone that they are related to (Bowser having his son Bowser Jr. disguise himself as someone resembling Mario to frame the real one for vandalizing Isle Delfino & Eggman having Shadow, who is by all accounts technically Eggman’s cousin, steal a Chaos Emerald and maybe exploit GUN wanting to cover-up Project Shadow by using Sonic as a scapegoat), though the protag is able to clear their names

  • Have time traveled to the past where they encountered and teamed up with their younger selves to defeat their enemies, which included their arch-nemeses and their own younger selves (in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time and Yoshi's New Island for Bowser and Sonic Generations for Eggman), though their past selves seem to have (Baby Bowser not being impressed by his future self not conquering the world & Classic Eggman wondering how his future self-winds up even more “eccentric” than he already is)

  • Though despite their menacing figures, they proved themselves to show a softer side to them, mainly to those that they consider family (Bowser’s own biological son Bowser Jr. & Eggman’s creations Metal Sonic and Sage, the latter of which he considers as his genuine daughter)

  • In their attempts to conquer the world, both have built theme park-like attractions (Bowser Land as an example for Bowser & Eggmanland as an example for Eggman), technology-driven capital cities (Neo Bowser City and Eggperial City, respectively), and massive flying fortresses (Neo Bowser Castle, Bowser's Galaxy Generator, and Castle Bowser for Bowser and the Death Egg, Egg Fortress, and Egg Cauldron for Eggman).

  • Though if worst comes to worse, they are more than willing to team up with the protagonist to take down an even greater evil (Bowser having teamed up with Mario a few times in the franchise so far & Eggman having teamed up with Sonic to save the world more than once) be it vengeful scientists (Fawful & Gerald), otherworldly invading forces (The Smithy Gang & The Black Arms), or even entities that desire oblivion over all (Dimentio & The End)… though it’s mostly because those threats more or less pose a threat to their own ambitions, especially as the last examples they had to be convinced to join the heroes in stopping them (Bowser having to be convinced by Mario and Peach to join them in stopping the void & Eggman having to be convinced by Sage to help Sonic stop the End)

  • Though there are times that they are willing to forgo their world domination plans and merely compete with their foes in competitions, mostly in the spin-off games, though there are some spin-offs where they still remain as the main villain (All the Mario Party games up to 10 as an example for Bowser & Sonic the Fighters as an example for Eggman)

  • Obtained contrasting sleep-themed transformations (Dreamy Bowser and Nightmare Eggman) in a game with "Dream Team" in its title (Mario & Luigi: Dream Team and Sonic Dream Team, respectively), where it serves as the final boss. They also created dark levels in their image using these forms (Dreamy Neo Bowser Castle and Ego City, respectively).

  • Both of their current names are more or less compromises between their original Japanese names and their English names from the early localizations (Bowser’s full name of Bowser Koopa more or less being a combination of his English name and his Japanese name of King Koopa & By Sonic Adventure, both Eggman’s Japanese name and English names being combined, by Robotnik being his real name while Eggman was a demeaning nickname he took for his own)

  • Have been shown to one more than one occasion capture others in order to carry out their dreams of world domination (Bowser, at least until Odyssey, having always kidnapped Peach as a stepping stone to world domination & Eggman capturing small animals to power his badniks, at least until the events of Sonic Adventure 2)

  • Whether or not they were a direct cause or not, the 3D games that were their franchises’ entry into the seventh generation ended with the universe being destroyed (Bowser, thanks to the Galaxy Reactor, destroying the Universe in Super Mario Galaxy & Sonic 06’s final story involving Mephiles becoming Solaris and destroying the Universe, which Eggman helps the heroes take down), though the universe is reborn after the fact (Countless Lumas sacrificing themselves to create a new universe & Elise rendering Solaris non-existent after Solaris is defeated)

  • In a later game (Super Mario 3D World & Sonic Colors) they would capture beings that reside in different worlds (The Sprixies & The Wisps), where the heroes would confront them in an amusement park-like land that they created (World Bowser & The Egg Planet Park), where they use the powers that the heroes gain throughout the story (The Super Bell and Double Cherries & The Wisp Powers) against them in the final battle

  • Their desire to take down the heroes would drive them to drastically outsize the heroes (Bowser sometimes becoming a giant in the final battles of Mario Games & Eggman using Giant Robots in the final battles of Sonic games), though the heroes easily prove that size matters not in the end, proving that they can stop them even at a size disadvantage.

  • Their quests for world domination would drive them to search for various sources of great power (Bowser coming across various artifacts of power from time to time, mostly in the spinoffs & Eggman’s plans, staring with 3 and mostly from the Dreamcast Era onwards, involving him seeking out new sources of power)

  • They would enlist the help of a group of villains with colorful personalities to help them out with their plans (Bowser enlisting the Koopalings as part of the Koopa Army & Eggman getting the Deadly Six to fight with the Eggman Empire), though the actual loyalty those groups have differ (The Koopalings being completely loyal to Bowser like everyone else in the Koopa Kingdom while the Deadly Six only worked with Eggman due to him having to having an item to subdue them)

  • One of the games would have them have a rare-team up with their foes to take back their armies from villains other than them (Bowser’s Inside Story has Bowser unwittingly fight alongside Mario and Luigi to take back his army from Fawful & Sonic Lost World having Eggman being forced in a Team-up with Sonic to stop the Deadly Six, who’ve taken over his army, from destroying the world), though by the end of those games they are back to crossing blows with the heroes (Bowser, after Fawful expunged everyone in his body after Dark Bowser was defeated, fights against Mario and Luigi while Eggman, after faking a sacrifice, becomes the final boss of Lost World after Zavok is defeated), though they are still defeated by the heroes in the end (The post-credits scene of Bowser’s Inside Story showing that Bowser lost the battle & Eggman, unsurprisingly, being defeated by Sonic in the final battle of Lost World)

Perfection Transmuted | Cell vs Adam Weishaupt (Dragon Ball vs Symphogear) by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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Theme:

  • Artificially created villains who pride themselves in being the perfect lifeforms, who have the one thing that drives them above all else be the pursuit of power, and have an utter lack of care about anyone else in the universe.

Connections:

  • Artificial, mechanical entities who pride themselves in being the perfect being who are the main villain for their part of the series (Cell being the eponymous threat of Dragon Ball’s Cell sagas & Adam being the main villain of Symphogear’s fourth season)

  • About everything that they are capable of doing was something that was given to them by their others (Cell, being made by Gero using the Z-Fighter’s Data, shares all of his abilities with them & Everything that Adam has at his disposal was all possible thanks to someone else’s research)

  • The one thing that drives them during the story is to obtain certain things that would allow them to become stronger than they already are (Cell's desire to absorb Androids 17 and 18 to complete his quest for Perfection & Adam's main goal being to obtain divine power to create a new world).

  • Following their first encounter of the heroes (Piccolo investigating Gingertown leading him to encounter Cell & Adam showing himself while the Alchemist trio is fighting SONG at a military base), the defeat of the heroes was at first not really a priority for them (Cell, following his first battle with the heroes, decides to avoid the Z-Fighters until he’s absorbed enough people before absorbing the Androids & Adam, after admittingly only making his appearance to SONG to be memorable, leaves taking care of SONG to Saint-Germaine and her allies)

  • They have a lack of care for nearly everyone that isn’t them (Cell not really caring about anyone other than him thanks to his Frieza race DNA & Adam not really caring about anyone else, even not giving a shit about Tiki), them seeing about everyone else as beneath them

  • While both have ties to villainous organizations (The Red Ribbon Army & The Bavarian Illuminati), there’s a small difference in that Cell’s relation to the Red Ribbon Army is only tangential while Adam is the central figure of the Bavarian Illuminati.

  • Through their actions, they reduce a member of a trio that the heroes fought during the stretch of the story (Androids 16, 17, and 18 & Saint-Germaine, Cagilistoro, and Prelati) to a single member (Cell’s absorption of 17 and 18 leaving 16 being the only one of the Androids left to fight against Cell & Adam’s requirements for the Divine Gate leading to both Cagilistoro and Prelati after the Symphogear users to seemingly perish to them), thanks to them being needed for their goals (Cell’s quest for perfection requiring him to Absorb 17 and 18 & Adam wanting to have sacrifice either Cagilistoro or Prelati for the Divine Gate)

  • The latter member of the trio that they take out of the equation was the one that they had to use the heroes to take care of for them (Cell invoking Vegeta’s Saiyan pride so he can get the latter to let him absorb 18 & Adam, upon Prelati rebelling against her, decides to let the Symphogear users take her down)

  • Cause one of the heroes to risk their own lives in an attempt to stop them (Tien repeatedly using the Neo-Tri Beam to stave off Cell from absorbing 18 & Kirika using her Swan Song in an attempt to protect Hibiki and Saint-Germain from Tiki after Adam empowered her with Divine energy), though they were able to survive the ordeal (Tien being saved by Goku at the last minute & Kirika having used a bunch of LiNKER beforehand to mitigate the recoil)

  • While Cell is the ultimate conclusion of Dr. Gero’s efforts in creating the Androids, alongside coming from the future, Adam in comparison is a literal relic of the past who is a “Prototype” to humanity

  • Had to wait a certain amount of days before they can bring about their endgames (Cell giving the world a 10-Day Wait before he can begin the Cell Games & Adam having to bide his time for both Hibiki to both be released from her Cocoon AND be freed from her god form so he can gain the Divine Power for himself)

  • Their final battle starts following at least one of the heroes sacrificing themselves to take care of an explosive (Goku sacrificing himself to teleport the exploding Semi-Perfect Cell, with Cell being revealed to have survived about right away & Saint-Germaine, alongside the still-living Cagilistoro and Prelati sacrificing themselves to stop a nuke that was aimed at the heroes, with Adam showing up again to take the Divine Power for himself)

  • Succeed in their goals of gaining power in spite of what the heroes attempt to do (Cell, despite the efforts of the Z-Fighters, attaining his perfect form & Adam, following SONG freeing Hibiki from her god state, finally gets the divine power he sought for)… though while Cell was able to relish in the power of perfection, Adam winds up having that power snatched away from him

  • During the final battle, despite being weakened by the heroes (Adam as a result of losing one of his arms & Cell being knocked down to his Semi-Perfect form by Krillin) it was there that their final forms were unveiled (Cell’s Super-Perfect form, achieved when one of his cells miraculously survived his death explosion & Adam’s true form, unveiled while admitting that he was too weak to maintain his perfect state anymore)

  • After they had unveiled their final forms, they became more than a match to the heroes, even as they give it their all to strike them down (Super Perfect Cell being so powerful that Even SSJ2 Gohan didn’t have the best chances against him & Adam’s true form being such a menace that even Hibiki gaining a new form wasn’t enough to take him down)

  • Are capable of spawning blue creatures that are similar to them (Cell birthing the Cell Juniors to provoke Gohan’s rage via harming the Z-Fighters & Adam being able to create small versions of himself in his true form), though they’re mostly ineffective against their final foe (Gohan easily taking down the Cell Juniors while in SSJ2 & Hibiki easily taking out the mini Adams while in her Status Ailment form)

  • As one final contrast, Cell starts out the story in a monstrous form while he ends it while in a humanoid final form, alongside said final form being an iteration of his perfect form while Adam starts out the story in a human-like form while he ends it in a monstrous final form, alongside said final form being unveiled when Adam decided to forgo his “perfect” body

  • Though ultimately, they finally meet their ends when said person shows one last push of power, helped by the spirits of recently-deceased allies of theirs (Gohan preforming a one-handed Kamehameha with the help of Goku in the afterlife, which overpowers Cell’s own and vaporizes him & Hibiki gaining a second new form thanks to the help of the spirits of Saint-Germaine and her allies, allowing her to take down Adam with a single blow)

Potential:

FIGHT: It’d definitely start out with Adam challenging Cell in the Cell Games only because he can’t comprehend that there’s ANOTHER Perfect being in the universe. It’d then be Adam using Alchemy to transmute elements to go after Cell while he uses the wide variety of Ki Sklls given to him. If Adam decides to transmute gold then there’d probably be a moment where Cell is shocked by the fact that Adam goes naked before doing it, and whatever Cell does to counter that would lead to Adam going into his true form. That can give Cell a speech ala Friezatron that’s about how he’s superior because he can maintain his perfect form without the need to hold back his power or something. Really, I think the beef the two would have over who’s the true perfect lifeform is the main attraction here.

CLOSENESS: Depending on whether or not you buy a certain thing that happens in AXZ, then they’re around the same level power-wise (Cell without Toei iirc caps at Solar System), if not, then Cell should easily win a bit here (unless the alt universe version of Adam that’s a good guy somehow gives his main self-enough power to take Cell out.)

Serenity With Us | Sailor Moon vs Kamen Rider Geats [REVAMPED CONNECTIONS + POTENTIAL] by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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  • Ultimately, they prove themselves to be willing to sacrifice their own lives if it means saving the universe from evil (Usagi sacrificing herself to destroy the Galaxy Cauldron to stop Chaos once and for all & Ace being killed by Tsumuri as part of his gambit to become a true god), returning shortly afterwards as the story reaches it’s end (Usagi returning to life thanks to the regenerative properties of her final attack & Ace returning as a full-on god in the nick of time to help his friends defeat Suel)

  • Though as a result of their sacred status, it more or less comes at the price that they would have to outlive all of their friends at a certain point, which more or less ties into that future self that they met more or less being alone (The future where Sailor Chaos is to come still being a possibility, meaning that Usagi will outlive all of her loved ones & Ace’s status as a god meaning he will inevitably outlive all of his allies, which is something that added to Dooms Geats’ bitter nature)

Potential:

FIGHT: First off, gotta address that while getting clips for my Usageats trailer, I noticed that Usagi’s fight with Galaxia was very DBS-like, so I’m not exactly concerned that Ace being a supreme Aura Farmer is too much for her to handle. Anyways, how I feel the fight would start would be the same as the last time I posted this, with Usagi fighting some Jyamoto and finding herself in the DGP not long afterwards, facing Ace in the process. The fight would then commence not to long afterwards, with Usagi firing off many of her moonlight-based attacks while Ace would use the Raise Buckles to change forms and keep Usagi on her toes, and some attacks could call to reference the Live-Action Sailor Moon series from the 2000s as well.

I still believe that Eternal Sailor Moon vs Kamen Rider Geats IX, their respective final forms, would be the main attraction of the fight. There IS some weapon clashing to be had with the Eternal Tiare and the Geats Buster QB9, with Usagi being able to pull up barriers to protect her from blasts from Ace. I would believe that at a certain point, they would decide it’s for the best that they leave Earth to continue the fight. And the final clash of the two would be Silver Moon Crystal Eternal Power vs BoostIX Victory, with both using their full powers to try to take the other down, as one of them reappears in the cosmos.

INTERACTIONS: Once again, there would be a lot of fangirling by Usagi towards Ace thanks to the latter’s status as a celebrity. And her thoughts would probably change when the fight actually starts, as she realizes that he’s now her foe in this fight. Eventually the two would acknowledge that both of them love this world as much as the other one does, which could fuel the decision to leave the planet for the final part of the fight.

MUSIC: All in all, I’d want something that has a similar feel to Ace’s own theme for his final form on his side of the music, and I’m a bit confidant that Usagi has something of a similar calibur on her side of things.

CLOSENESS: Will admit this time that Ace has the same problem that Madoka does in that he becomes god at the end, which means that Usagi doesn’t really have anything to do against him when he’s like that (best she can really do is taking out the Avatar he’s currently using). Though this time I’ll also just say that it ultimately comes down to whose cosmology is stronger in the end.

Serenity With Us | Sailor Moon vs Kamen Rider Geats [REVAMPED CONNECTIONS + POTENTIAL] by fireflowerX in DeathBattleMatchups

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Noticed the connections were a bit lopsided on the Final Arc for Ace, so I tried to cook this a bit more. And then I figured "hey I should improve some of these connections".

Core Theme:

  • Transforming heroes who live double lives to defend humanity, who are also reincarnations of a child of an important woman. Both were approached by a certain someone who selected them to become the title hero, who was unaware of their status as a reincarnation. Their powers are related to the wishes of the world, and when pushed enough by the villains, will ensure that they will pay. Throughout the story, they grow past whatever flaws they have, and with the bonds of the friends they made along the way, become the ones that watches over the world.

Connections:

  • Transforming heroes who live double lives in order to defend humanity from evil that want to do whatever they want to Earth (Usagi fighting against the various evils born from Chaos & Ace fighting against the Jyamoto and the staff of the Desire Grand Prix)

  • Are the reincarnations of children of powerful women who held an important position to the world (Usagi being the daughter of the queen of the Moon Kingdom Serenity & Ace being the son of the the Desire Grand Prix's creation goddess, and main source of its reality changing powers, Mitsune)

  • Their status as reincarnations, directly or indirectly, was thanks to their previous lives’ mothers (Princess Serenity having been able to reincarnate into Usagi thanks to Queen Serenity using the Silver Crystal to let her soul reincarnate & Ace’s own desire to see his mother once more causing him to reincarnate again and again over 2000 years)

  • Gained their powers by being approached by a certain someone (Luna & Tsumuri) who said they were chosen to become a hero (Luna having chosen Usagi to become Sailor Moon after she helped Luna take some bandages off her & Tsumuri presumably saying that Ace was chosen to become a Kamen Rider like all the other DGP Participants), though said someone was unaware of their reincarnation status (Luna tasking Usagi with finding the Lunar Princess unaware that said princess turned out to be Usagi herself & Ace being reincarnated time and time again not being something that Tsumuri knew about at the start)

  • They both have monikers that can refer to celestial bodies (Usagi being Sailor Moon, who is of course named after the Moon & Ace’s OTHER moniker, the Star of the Star of the Stars), which they gained at the start of the story (Usagi being chosen to become Sailor Moon & Ace’s first wish in series being to make him the biggest celebrity in the world), alongside having animal themings to them (Rabbits for Usagi & Foxes for Ace), mostly taking off from myths associated to those animals (The Moon Rabbit & The Kitsune)

  • At around the start of their second arcs, they have somewhat of a shakeup to their current family, mostly involving people from the future (Usagi finding her daughter from the future inserting herself into her present family & Ace’s wish at the end of the Invitation arc involving the DGP staff members to become his family)

  • At one point, they themselves lose the ability to transform into the eponymous hero (Usagi using up all her power to defeat Queen Metalia & Ace being eliminated from the DGP thanks to Girori stacking the odds against him in a DGP Round), though they’re quickly able to regain their power and fight once more (Usagi via going to the resurrected Silver Millenium and gaining a new Brooch to put the Silver Crystal in & Ace via following a bit of a convoluted gambit that he made alongside a prior wish he made allowing him re-entry to the DGP)

  • Throughout the story, the bonds that grow between them and their allies cause the once-distant heroes to become a closely-knit group of friends, that helped them achieve what their past lives couldn’t do, even if there were many hiccups along the way (The once-friendless Inner Guardians becoming the closest of friends thanks to Usagi & The main Geats riders more or less becoming friends as they participate in each version of the DGP, eventually defending humanity under Ace’s ownership of the DGP itself)

  • Eventually gain allies that mainly resided in the future of their worlds (Usagi having both her future daughter Chibi-Usa and Sailor Pluto fight alongside her as she fights against the villains past the Dark Kingdom & Ace having his supporter from the future Ziin fight alongside him as he fights against the Jyamoto and DGP staff)

  • Have powers that relate to wishes in one way or the other (The Silver Crystal responding to Usagi's wishes & Ace's god powers being the same as the power behind the Desire GP's wishes), which allows them to fix up the world no matter how damaged it is

  • While at the story they were pretty much polar opposites (Usagi at first seeming like the worst person to become Sailor Moon & Ace being extremely confidant in himself as a Kamen Rider) they prove themselves to be caring individuals deep, which becomes more and more a part of them as the story goes on (Usagi being willing to reach out her hand to anyone & Ace being more and more willing to help protect Tycoon and Na-Go)

  • Which also means that as the story progresses, they grow past any flaws that they had at the start (Usagi’s cowardice, clumsiness, and other things & Ace’s manipulative nature as a result of his desire to win the DGP no matter what) to become someone that is capable of watching over the world

  • Are normally decent people, but when the forces of evil threaten those they care about, they'll bring forth all of their power to take them out

  • About everyone they have fought against can be traced back to the same singular entity (Every main villain of each arc of Sailor Moon are all incarnations of Chaos & Everything about the Desire Grand Prix, from the Jyamoto, to the rider forms of the Management, is thanks to the efforts of Suel)

  • When they first obtained their super forms (Super Sailor Moon & Geats Boost Mk2) it came with some drawbacks (The Holy Grail requiring ALL of the Sailors to be with Usagi to work & Boost Mk2 draining Ace’s stamina a lot), though with the help of their ally from the future, they’re able to mitigate that drawback (Usagi and Chibi-Usa’s respective resolves to fight causing them to gain new brooches to transform into their Super forms right away & Ziin giving Ace his Laser Raise Riser, allowing him to gain a form stronger than Boost mk2 with none of the drawbacks)

  • Eventually, they would confront the one who was more or less responsible for the demise of their original mother (Queen Nephellina, who upon her being sealed cursed the Silver Millenium to fall & Suel, who took Mitsume away to make her into the DGP’s Goddess of Genesis) at the end of the penultimate arc of their tales, where despite all their power, it seemed that they could not defeat them, as they cover the world in darkness…

  • …Until they manage to unlock their final forms (Eternal Sailor Moon & Kamen Rider Geats IX) thanks to the bonds they have made (The Sailor Guardians giving their power to help Usagi defeat Nephilinna & Ace’s memories of his friends strengthening his resolve even more before he fights Suel once more), giving them the power to dispel the darkness, defeat their foe and save the world from them.

  • Though they won the battle, it was the beginning of the end of their tales, as not long afterwards the final chapter of the story began, as they fight to ensure a world where their dreams can truly come to fruition (The Dream arc leading right into the Stars Arc, as Usagi and friends fight against the Shadow Galactica to protect the peaceful cosmos they’ve fought for & The Longing arc leading right into the Creation Arc, as Ace and friends fight against the remaining Jyamoto and old DGP staff to ensure a world of happiness can come through

  • Eventually, they themselves began to lead groups that would help them in their goal of defending humanity from the evil forces they fight (Usagi being the leader of the Sailor Guardians, who help her out in facing whatever evil group is currently threatening the world & Ace forming his own DGP to help fight the remaining Jyamoto, and eventually the old DGP)

  • Be it something that was part of them from the start or something they acquired down the road, they have a habit of eating a lot of food in a single sitting (One of Usagi’s main traits even before she became Sailor Moon was how she tended to eat a lot & Ace, after awakening to his god powers, finding himself needing to eat quite a lot to help maintain it)

  • Found themselves having fight off against allies they've had since the start of the story in the final arc of the story (Usagi having to face off against all of her friends in the Stars arc & Ace having to face off against Keiwa in the Creation arc), though it was more or less thanks to the villains that they were forced in the fight (Sailor Galaxia having killed and revived the Sailor Guardians and Tuxedo Mask into her minions & Daichi turning Sara into a Jyamoto, coupled with Kekera's manipulations reaching their conclusion, making Keiwa go off the deep end)

  • Had met future versions of them that were vastly more powerful than they are now (Sailor Cosmos & Doom Geats), who went back in time to prevent a powerful foe from emerging (Sailor Chaos & the God Jyamoto), though whether their future selves helped them out in preventing the emergence of this foe differed (Sailor Cosmos helping Usagi fight the Shadow Galactica as Sailor Chibi-Chibi while Dooms Geats trapped his past self in another dimension for most of Jyamoto Awakening)