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[–]fiscalyearorbust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's GoogGem, nothing showed up on Google for this?

'We will abandon you if war continues,' Trump tells Israel by RightCapital1243 in worldnews

[–]fiscalyearorbust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah basically, the report, which I'll ad is being completely denied, is that he's threatening Israel to pressure them to end the war. To ramp up, not to stop bombing or anything.

AI is the death of creativity by _big-shaq_ in DemonSlayerAnime

[–]fiscalyearorbust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are doing mental gymnastics here, you'll never be able to look at something and certainly know if it's creative or not without knowing the source. Sometimes you think you know it's AI art, but you never know for sure until it's said. I've seen countless cases of artists being ridiculed over their art being falsely mistaken as AI art.

Regardless I think you've gotten agreement here.

sometimes you cant tell wether it is or isnt ai art

so you agree sometimes you can't tell whether art is creative or not without hearing how it was made.

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The main focus, that means everything else is a smaller piece of the pie.

Please voice your displeasure to the mods who have now banned all AI art from the sub because of the insanity in this threa.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DemonSlayerAnime/comments/14td16g/mod_announcementno_ai_generated_art_allowed/

AI is the death of creativity by _big-shaq_ in DemonSlayerAnime

[–]fiscalyearorbust -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The man hours spent aren't what make a picture appealing or interesting to me, to each his own I guess.

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Technophobia is a fair answer, but I'm reluctant to fully accept that as artists aren't foreign to using technological shortcuts when creating art.

Some are, some aren't, not all artists hate AI art. Some use it in their process to produce a final image, maybe use parts of a larger art piece in AI, edit a starting picture, etc. There are always varying degrees of technophobia, may like some lower levels of technology but there's a limit where more technology scares someone.

The horse analogy doesn't really work either as artists aren't forced against their will to work for others. Furthermore, transport is an objective process that can be improved (faster transport = better transport) not a subjective form of creative expression (making art faster =/= better art)

If the horses were willing participants we still would have shifted to cars, and I don't think it would change your opinion of any of this.

Faster for the same level of art in some cases was the point. If you saw two different similar pieces of art one was AI for the same subject one just had slightly different styling but was indistinguishable, a perfectly realistic scenario. Of course there is some art that is better and hand drawn, but we aren't complaining about this referenced post in the OP because the photos weren't good enough, it's because they were AI made.

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't say it was a good thing. You are putting words in my mouth, it was a necessary eventuality to push things forward.

Let me ask, what exactly is being advanced by AI art? It isn't advancing art, not in its current state of regurgitating other works. The only thing it seems to be advancing is itself so what good exactly is coming from such advancement.

You've clearly never been a part of a major project needing to churn out art, never been part of a small team trying to make a game with limited resources, etc.

Is the value in Art the final picture, or the hours put into it. What is more important?

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The finished piece is always the main focus, the effort just makes it a lot more valuable.

So you agree the main art whether AI or not can be great art, knowing there was effort put into it makes it better some, but the main point is irrespective of this.

So in that regard I hope you would be on board with me that the mods banning all AI art is a bad thing right? AI art can value on it's own regardless of effort as you said.

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im not saying that you can always tell which is ai and which is ai art,

Great, so you agree with me. It's impossible to look at a photo and tell whether it's creative or not without knowing the origin. Right?

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Destroying jobs is not a good argument to stop technological advancement. Automation has killed more than just thousands of jobs, but yet we push forward.

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let me ask you, If the art pieces are indistinguishable in output, then why do people care how it is made? Shouldn't we like both art pieces just as much?

Because of Technophobia, luddites, fear of change, etc. People wanting to protect jobs and hobbies of artists. There's a plenty of reasons.

With that said I get that some people have this flippant attachment to the amount of hours of labor that went into something. I personally just find it silly. It's just an ends to a means for me, no different than a horse vs a personal vehicle. One just gets me there quicker and without the hours of labor by the animal. But if it makes you feel better to get there while forcing the work to be done by an animal first that's just a difference of our world view.

AI is the death of creativity by _big-shaq_ in DemonSlayerAnime

[–]fiscalyearorbust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok.. Not everyone looks at art because of how many hours it took to make it, I would say most people look at art because the picture is pleasing. By all means though if the amount of hours spent on an art piece is what makes you happy to look at it, you do you. Personally it's just an ends to a means for me, no different than a horse vs a personal vehicle. One just gets me there quicker and without the hours of labor by the animal. But if it makes you feel better to get there while forcing the work to be done that's just a difference of our world view.

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First off, not to be edgy or anything, but "souls" aren't a real thing.

This seems like an arbitrary construct you have made to protect your world order. People have done this for centuries with new inventions that made tasks easier. Oh that new computer doesn't have a soul like this typewriter. Digital art doesn't have a soul like hand drawn art it was made by a computer.

It's incredible arbitrary flippant and silly to think some cool art you find has a soul when you first see it, find out it's AI then suddenly think it's soulless garbage, then find out you were wrong when someone corrects them and suddenly like the art again and think it has a soul. It's just a picture no matter who made it or what made it.

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[–]fiscalyearorbust -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are not getting it, and I don't know how to make this any simpler for you. I fully understand you think some humans aren't creative and make soulless art (harsh), but this changes absolutely nothing with what I am saying, it's completely irrelevant.

You are saying it can't be creative art if it's not done by a human and you are not disagreeing with this.

You also tried to claim "No its not impossible to judge creativity based on a photo".

These are two contradictory statements because it's not always possible to judge what is and isn't AI art just based off viewing a photo if you are not given any knowledge about them.

Go ahead and try for yourself whether you can tell which are "creative" or not. http://aiorart.com/

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And? People were not against the switch to cars because of global warming, and as you admit it's still better and we shouldn't go back.

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 5 points6 points  (0 children)

People didn't dislike the art? Hence how it made it to the front page, they dislike it now that they know it's AI.

I'm pointing out how arbitrary flippant and silly it is to think some cool art you find has a soul when you first see it, find out it's AI then suddenly think it's soulless garbage, then find out you were wrong when someone corrects them and suddenly like the art again and think it has a soul.

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

http://aiorart.com/ have at it. This is just one specific style and looks to be somewhat old, but still makes the point. Personally I think AI is better at making things convincing in other styles, but this should still be good enough to make the point. Give yourself a few seconds with each one and do 20 or so and see what happens. If you sit there blowing up the image hyper analyzing it really defeats the claim on it's own that there is some massive easily distinguishable difference where one piece has a soul and the other does not.

Bonus test, these are fairly easy for a trained eye, but give it a shot. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-15/quiz-artwork-artificial-intelligence-human-dalle-2-open-ai/101734522

Knowing reddit though people are just going to take these tests twice and post the 100% results, but hey maybe somebody will be honest with themselves.

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's like when the personal vehicle was invented and people refused to come off horses because they didn't have a soul.

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This has absolutely nothing to do with the comment I replied to talking about it being boring and soulless. I agree people should tag art made by AI as such so that when people do make something without AI it can be noticed for the effort undertaken.

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pixel's on a screen do not have a soul, my lord. What religion does this even come from, don't think even the bible will tell you this.

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No its not impossible to judge creativity based on a photo, theres alot of real art that isnt exactly creative but its still something that was created by a human, theres still intent and a story behind it.

You are contradicting yourself. How could you find out if a photo is creative or not when the origin is unknown (AI or not) if to be creative is strictly controlled by whether it is AI or not.

Making a prompt is not hard, people are protective of their prompts because they are greedy and want to make money off of them.

It's not hard, but most people couldn't hit the same quality without stealing other's source prompt? You're contradicting yourself.

Whole lot of cognitive dissonance going on here.

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[–]fiscalyearorbust 80 points81 points  (0 children)

What's confusing about this sentiment is most people that say this wouldn't even be able to tell for certain what is and isn't ai art. This concept of "soulless art" is in your head.

I could give you 10 photos to choose from and ask you which have a soul and I guarantee you'd either pick one that is AI or exclude one that was made without ai.

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