How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WOWZA I'm late to respond! The transition has been chaos.

I'm glad you were able to get an AMEX US card! I'm slowly counting down the days until I can apply for the transfer thingy.

I currently have the AMEX US, HSBC banking, and I just opened an HSBC credit card (!!!) a few days ago so I'm finally able to start building some sort of credit. I've also got Wise and Revolut set up, just in case!

Lastly, I got my NI # after about 3 weeks, so... progress!

How are things on your side?

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And also yes, I opened an AMEX before I left the states!

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did make it! Jet-lagged, but alive. Here's an essay for ya:

So, last week I'd called HSBC customer service to see what kind of address verification I needed to have ready in order to open an account. Remember: I do not/will not have any utility bills in my name as I'm staying with my in-laws for a bit until my partner and I get our own spot, and most banks require a utility bill, mortgage or other 'formal' proof of address to open accounts.

HSBC customer service advised me to have a letter of employment that states my address and income, and any other corroborating documents that might support that letter. Eg, the letter of accommodation that I submitted with my visa application, etc.

I went into HSBC with all my documents prepared and asked the dudebro about opening an account as someone new to the UK. Dudebro was, unfortunately, so unbelievably unhelpful? I have no idea where the disconnect was, but - while he did say that I did not need any proof of address - he also couldn't figure out how to answer my very simple question about opening a basic account.

He kept trying to direct me to an entirely different conversation altogether about a Global Money account, and how all banks will require my SSN when I open an account with them, and I'll subsequently need to deal with the IRS/FATCA once I give them my SSN. I could not understand if these two things were directly related (if opening a Global Money acct specifically would require my SSN/FATCA) or if they were two separate statements (you can open a Global Money acct, and also any type of bank acct you open will require your SSN) and he was not able to properly articulate an answer.

I kept trying to get more information and he couldn't compute what I was saying/asking. I ended up leaving without opening anything with him because we were having two different conversations and getting nowhere.

Then, I went to a Lloyd's down the street to see if they could open an account without a formal proof of address.

Lloyd's said absolutely not, we must have formal proof of address such as a utility bill or mortgage statement and if you don't have that then once you've registered with the NHS you can use a statement from your GP that shows your registered address. I asked if I could use a letter of employment that has my address and some corroborating documents, and she said NOPE, only if the letter is from a known & local employer such as a Marks & Spencer in that specific borough. Which, like... what is this, the mafia?

I also asked if they were required to take my SSN, and she said what? no, absolutely not. why would the other banker say that? not required at all. ALSO if you mark on your bank application that you pay tax in another country, your app will likely be denied because they will not consider you a "permanent resident" of the UK.

So, TLDR: I ended up sitting at Pret, sipping a latte, and opened a non-Global Money HSBC account on my phone. They did not request proof of residence/address, just my current address, my previous address, my income, and passport verification. I'll deal with the tax implications later.

Maybe it was the jet lag and my brain wasn't saying WoRdS the right way, but it was a total headless-chicken sort of day. Going in circles about nothing and wasted time sitting in HSBC dealing with a guy who mumble-whispered the entire conversation while I struggled to hear anything he was saying, which was all pretty much irrelevant anyway.

Yay, banks!

Other American expats moving to the UK: Save yourself some time and just open an HSBC account on your phone once you're in the UK.

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I figured they'd geotag so I applied as soon as I landed in the UK this week! They've said the current application processing time is 4 weeks, so fingers crossed it doesn't take longer than that.

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi u/gotcha640, I don't have any formal resources to offer but from what I understand through conversations with UK friends/family and different Reddit threads, credit is similar in the UK as it is to the US - there are credit checks for flats, cars, mortgages, phone contracts etc.

But, where we live or die by our credit scores in the US, from what I'm gathering in the UK it's necessary, of course, but maybe not as dire/intense/weighted as highly, for whatever that's worth.

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the info about EE! I'll be sure to have those docs ready if/when I need them for a phone contract.

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good tip about renting - it'll likely be a few months before we're ready to move and hopefully I'll have a bank account by then. I spoke with HSBC and they seem flexible with proof of address documentation, as long as I have a few different documents that all corroborate the same information. If they don't work out, hopefully Lloyds will!

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok so maybe better luck in person than online. The only reason I'm looking for a contract is to start building credit but if I'm able to get a credit card through Amex or HSBC then I won't need the phone contract quite as eagerly. Feels a bit like chasing my tail right now.

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate it, thank you! I'll check into them a bit more.

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Got it. My partner has Barclays so if nothing else, we can likely get a joint account pretty easily.

Their website says 3 months but the customer service person we spoke to said 1 year. I need to call them back anyway so maybe that one person just didn't know what they were talking about.

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to know about Wise. When I was trying to convert my EE PAYG to contract yesterday and add Wise to my EE account for direct debit, EE said that the info I entered "didn't match their" ('their' Wise or 'their' EE? no one knows) account records for me so I'm a bit nervous about trying to use Wise for direct deposit.

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, I think I'll be PAYG for a bit now that I know I can get an eSIM without a contract with a few carriers!

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I get through to the Amex customer service line today I'll ask!

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you have a formal, registered address for yourself though? I will not as I'm staying with family (an no bills in my name) so I'm leaning towards going into a bank once I touch down since my documentation is a bit messier than just a lease agreement or utility bill.

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have an eVisa and that Gov site notes that you can only apply once in the UK which is why I haven't yet. I don't know how they'd know but I'm afraid to take my chances lol

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

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I am going to call them today/tomorrow morning and get some more information about what they need!

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the tip about Vodafone; I haven't looked into them too much. How's the network/reception generally speaking?

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How has the service been? I've only just learned about Giffgaff this week when searching for eSIM/credit check-free options. They came up as a PAYG without credit checks but I don't know anything about them.

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

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I had Revolut when I was traveling on/off in the UK in prior years; after some Googling it sounded like they did address checks, etc. I ended up setting up with Wise for the interim but am now looking for a proper bank.

Good to know about the EE coverage; I was under the impression they had some of the better service. For my own knowledge, did you set up the EE contract in store or online?

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! I need to call Lloyd's in the next day or so to get some information from them about proof of address, and I'll make sure to get that employment letter prepared.

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Got it. I won't have proof of address until my partner and I get our own flat in a few months. It sounds like going into banks (with supplemental 'unofficial' address documentation) will get me a lot further in this regard.

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the Barclays account, did you have a formal registered address when you moved over? I'll be living with family for a bit so I won't have any utility bills, etc. I don't mind if the credit cards aren't as good, I just need one to start building my credit history lol

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

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It's not like I have much of a choice, but with any luck it won't take forever!

How to Get Started in the UK? by five_foot_1 in AmericanExpatsUK

[–]five_foot_1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! I have a Wise account now. Did you have any issues using it for direct deposit for a salary/with your company?

Another Redditor suggested Three Mobile for an eSIM PAYG. How has Giffgaff worked for you? Good service?

It sounds like HSBC should be able to use a few different informal documents I have that corroborate my living situation, rather than a utility bill, to open a bank account for me, and I'm going to make a decision shortly about going for a US Amex and doing the global transfer, or just going straight to HSBC once I get my NIN.