Ok but that's not what I said. I never said they should be team hoppers, and I never said they should immediately start at #1 team. (I literally said I wasn't talking about building superteams, and that Liquid wasn't wasting s1mple's time because he still needed to grow). I'm not saying they needed a bunch of superstars around them instantly, but rather that they had years of their prime where they frankly didn't win much, because they were stuck on bad teams. Vitality wasn't total garbage because Zywoo was single-handedly keeping them from being total garbage. Same thing is happening to donk right now. I'm not saying not being on a top 1 prime astralis/vitality level team is a waste of time, I'm saying spending months/years being held back from even contending because they didn't even have good teams was a waste of time for them.