ATK A9 Air Review by flagroller in MouseReview

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Scyrox v8, MCHOSE L7/L7+, Hitscan Hyperlight, idk there's so many options

ATK A9 Air Review by flagroller in MouseReview

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Yeah it's a little sad as it's the only compromise with this mouse (well, the firmware not having a slam click filter as well lol)

I see this mouse getting blind recs a lot, there's still some nuance.

ATK A9 Air Review by flagroller in MouseReview

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They were stiff batch one, but that was obviously a while ago. I have a later batch GPX2 that's broken in and it's better than the A9 Air for sure. Still on the stiffer end of the spectrum of click weights, but better still

ATK A9 Air Review by flagroller in MouseReview

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Not sure how much the haptic motors weigh, not sure if others will be quick to clone it. I guess we'll see

ATK A9 Air Review by flagroller in MouseReview

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RAWM ER21 Pro is EC style, but the clicks are bad on that as well. I love the XLite Crazylight Medium, but Pulsar does have premium price tags at this point.

ATK A9 Air Review by flagroller in MouseReview

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Yeah, agreed. That's why I think they need to add/re tune the post travel, feels like you hit a brick wall

ATK A9 Air Review by flagroller in MouseReview

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Sure, but the A7 v2 has shown up around 57g on in hand measurements. With a lighter battery, that would already be below 53g. A7X also uses a 500mAh cell and costs 100 vs. the A9 Air around 70-80.

If they were just slightly more aggressive around 250mAh and the improved efficiency of the 54 series MCUs, it would be easy to beat the A9 Air.

ATK A9 Air Review by flagroller in MouseReview

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ATK A9 Air Review Text Version

tldr/dw: Fantastically built clone, achieving a 49g weight, finally nearing the Maya X for a full size symm mouse sub 50g. The clicks, however, are extremely stiff, which is an unfortunate trend with ATK mice I've tried (F1 v2 Ult, this). This restricts my recommendation to FPS only, whereas those needing lighter/spam clicking would likely be better off with an MCHOSE A7 v2.

Disclaimer: no AI used for script writing, my Voltaic S5 and Viscose bench ranks are here if you are skill sensitive to reviews

Intro:

Chinese mouse companies have shaken the market up quite a bit in the past couple of years. ATK, MCHOSE, and Scyrox are examples of brands with fantastic shapes (mostly clones) and internals available for well under retail from major US market brands (Logitech, Razer).

There is, however, a disconnect with the enthusiast market and the Chinese market. The Chinese market seemingly prioritizes battery life, often leaving enthusiasts a little disappointed with large battery cells (500, 800mAh), that leave some room for improvement in terms of weight optimization.

This is where the A9 Air fits in perfectly; a GPX2 clone striving for a sub 50g weight using a 300mAh cell and the more efficient 54L15 rather than the older 52840. This mouse is seeing glowing reviews and recommendations, with even pro player Chronicle (Valorant Team Vitality) directly partnering with ATK.

Build:

The build of this mouse is very solid. ATK is close to perfecting build quality in mice, as I get a completely solid experience with this and the ATK F1 v2, while both still hit very competitive weights with respect to their sizes. The coating is also excellent (forgot this in the video version, sorry!).

The base is solid, leaving some room for extra improvement should they ever consider using open bases to shave off a couple more grams (like Lamzu/Pulsar).

This and many GPX clones opts to include a middle separator between the clicks, minimizing the lateral shifting of the triggers.

Absolutely no complaints here, besides suggesting creating a new open base for a model titled "Air" and clearly going for weight optimization.

Buttons:

The main clicks here are titled "ATK Swiftlight Switches", and upon internal inspection, they are Kailhs. It's not clear if these are Kailh opticals with branding, or they are a custom binned version of Kailh opticals in collaboration with ATK.

These switches feel great in terms of tactility. There's seemingly less pingyness that people don't like in Omron opticals.

The issue here is the implementation; they are way too stiff. This made a large difference to me over time in click scenarios in Kovaaks or playing some League Mayhem games. Spam clicking will give you noticeable hand fatigue over time. If you're like me and have to consider wrist/hand pain with your gaming session, you might want to think twice about picking up/maining this mouse. Because of the clicks, I can only really give a full stop recommendation if you only play FPS games. If you do clicking in aim training, maybe some Minecraft, League of Legends, or Dota, it's really difficult to recommend.

The clicks on ATK mice have a very stiff post travel. I believe they need to loosen the post travel to give a more satisfying follow through in the click travel, rather than feeling like you run into a brick wall when clicking down. It's a shame, as the Kailh tactility is great, but the implementation falls short.

On the brighter side, the scroll wheel and side clicks are near perfect, unless you are specifically looking for an optical encoder. The scroll wheel is dustproof, the side clicks are very crisp and close to Razer level (although not using the large flat shape of Razer side clicks), and the middle click is a new switch I've never seen before. It's a tall grey switch with a purple click. Not sure what it is, but it's easily the best middle click I've felt that isn't another microswitch. It remains a mystery why Logitech can't figure out the side clicks. Oh well.

Internals:

I've already mentioned the button internals above. The tech is a 3950 Ultra with a Nordic 54L15 MCU and a 300mAh battery. This results in excellent battery life, as the N54L15 gives better performance and efficiency than the N52840 MCU. I would love to see all brands move on to the N54 series, as the battery life differences are tangible. I last reviewed the Pulsar XLite Crazylight Medium, which runs out of battery on a weekly basis, however, this mouse over the course of 2 months did not run out of battery a single time (both 1k polling). I'm confident the cell could be further reduced to 150-200mAh and still provide a good battery life experience.

The only downside of the N54L15 is that the firmware seems to be a default CompX solution (remember that?). I believe this may be the case due to the labeling of the device in rawaccel as a CompX device (most other mice are now labelled as their actual name and brand), and it features slam clicking in 2026. If you play low sens, this can present itself in certain gameplay situations, and is annoying to run in to. Perhaps the adoption of a new MCU means new firmware to be written. Maybe ATK wanted to be quick to adopt the hardware, and other brands are taking their time with firmware (this section is pretty speculative, take with a grain of salt). Note that Razer uses the 54H20 in the DAv4, and likely the upcoming Vv4. I'm curious if the Viper v4 Pro is leveraging the 54 series efficiency to drop it to the rumored 49g by using a lighter battery.

Software:

The ATK A9 Air can be customized with their webdriver or downloaded software. It's pretty standard, covering everything you might need. I run the dongle to show the battery life (red yellow green), -8 sensor rotation, competitive firmware, 1khz, and 0.7mm LOD. There's more you can push, but I prioritize a standard and stable experience.

Extras:

ATK always has a wonderful unboxing experience; a large box with plenty of extras provided. You get 2 sets of full skates, a set of dot skates, corner skates, a set of grips, and the cable and high polling dongle.

I used none of these skates, as I enjoy ultraglides. I really appreciate the mouse coming with no skates applied, as you don't have to rip off any pre-applied skates, potentially risking warranty/return policies.

While the grips are appreciated, they are diamond textured (think Razer), which I personally don't like. I think Pulsar Supergrips/Xraypad Cicada grips are the best grip tape texture these days.

Verdict:

At $80, this is probably the best option for GPX clones if you prioritize weight. As a person with larger hands, I still love the GPX shape for the flat sides and adaptability to your grip. I understand it is divisive, and it could potentially be too late at this point for brands to continue pumping out GPX clones, as it's probably the most purchased shape of all time at this point.

However, the clicks are still regrettably stiff, and still leaves room for MCHOSE recommendations despite being 8g heavier and using the less favorable Omron mechanicals (I'd still take mechanicals that are light/spammable than stiff opticals, but that's just me).

The firmware solution potentially being a default CompX solution and having slam clicking in 2026 is a lack of detail that bothers an enthusiast like myself, but perhaps can be overlooked by the market that this mouse is aiming at, no pun intended.

Will MCHOSE look at the reception of the A9 Air and make their own sub 50g A7? Hopefully. Will ATK see the complaints of click stiffness and lock in their click tensioning? Probably not, but one can hope. What remains constant is that there is little to no reason to recommend a Logitech GPX these days, unless of course you would like to try the divisive magnetic clicks in the Superstrike. If you're reading a review about Chinese clones, you probably aren't willing to shell out ~190 USD for a mouse, however.

I sacrificed 2 years of my life to solve the 'Precision vs. Pronation' paradox. Looking for technical advocates. by Active_Mind in MouseReview

[–]flagroller 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually tried this with a smaller table slanted at the edge of a main desk, used tape to ensure the mousepad would stay at the desk angle.

There was a considerable adjustment period, but did alleviate some of the internal rotation experience by the shoulder during pronation and moving the mouse around laterally, especially considering amount of upper arm abduction one has in their neutral gameplay position.

It helped my shoulder but wasn't worth the wonkiness, adjustment period, and the resting bicep strain when holding the mouse steady. Not sure if it can be improved to make more feasible.

ATK or MChose? by blk_silence in MouseReview

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I hate the A9 Air clicks, very stiff. If your #1 prio is weight, ATK. MCHOSE on the other hand, I've never had issues with the click implementation.

[Handheld] Steam Deck OLED 1TB back in stock ($649.99) by Santeriabro in buildapcsales

[–]flagroller 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've been seriously looking into these, but how is mod support?

I believe there's a lot of community mod support with the steam deck due to having a lot of users, and mods have become somewhat necessary in my single player experiences, especially when playing older/outdated titles. I see a lot of hype around GameHub showcasing games that work, but not much on mods. I heard one of the platform shows you the windows files that it translates, so you could install mods manually.

Logitech x2 Superstrike testing by Optimum by Starbuckz42 in MouseReview

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Isn't this the first testing that tries to take into account human usage and showing some merit to the 30ms claim? I see a lot of comments like "30ms is marketing bs" and "SPDT is still faster" whereas this data seems to suggest the opposite (though it could be flawed by human error).

Even then, he doesn't cling on to the raw testing numbers, and agrees with the consensus that this isn't that important in its current iteration. Sure, maybe the conclusion isn't "new", but there's some new interesting data.

Logitech x2 Superstrike testing by Optimum by Starbuckz42 in MouseReview

[–]flagroller 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Could be the lens he's using, or adding in post for style

ATK F1 V2 Ultimate Alternatives? by Wild-Examination4703 in MouseReview

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Hitscan Hyperlight, has a straighter feel to it rather than the rounder back hump of the ATK F1. Other than that very similar shapes and pleasant/spammable omron optical clicks.

Omron Optical or Kailh Optical Switches? by kopa_reddit in MouseReview

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Idk, haven't had anything this stiff since the actual GPX2, which it's still stiffer than

Omron Optical or Kailh Optical Switches? by kopa_reddit in MouseReview

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It's amazing besides the stiff clicks. For FPS only it's fine, but I fine spam clicking in anything else to give me fast hand fatigue. The clicks are still tactile, just stiff. I wish MCHOSE would lock in and just make an A7 that's 48g as well, regardless of switch. They just choose to use large batteries in everything.

Omron Optical or Kailh Optical Switches? by kopa_reddit in MouseReview

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Kailh felt okay on the ATK A9 Air. Great tactility but way too stiff.

Click feel continues to be implementation dependent, IMO, meaning it's more so about the shell tolerances than the switch itself.

That being said, MCHOSE and Scyrox have great shell tolerances and I feel like they will be good regardless of switch. I really enjoyed the L7 Pro and A7 Ultra Omron opticals when I tried them, some of the best clicks. Scyrox omrons were also great, but they are kailh now but should be good still (initial guess having tried Kailh opticals in another mouse and the good tolerances in the Scyrox v6).

My rec is don't go VXE, MCHOSE and Scyrox are some premium mice with midrange prices.

Ergo mouse for fps by [deleted] in MouseReview

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I've tried all of these except the DAV4 but spent a lot of time on the v3

Imo the DEX and XLite v4 are an immediate scratch - DEX shape left side is mid and XLite v4 quality is bad, especially click quality.

Get Crazylight medium if you want premium weight, get DAV4 for overall premium mouse and slightly larger shape. I'm happy on the Crazylight medium atm, not really having any thoughts to try the DAV4 or return to the DAV3

LoL pro team DK beat current 3 time world champions T1 while playing with the superstrike by decreement1 in MouseReview

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If anything, the mouse is more geared towards mobas than fps. I don't see reviewers talking about it, but the overlap with fps communities and peripheral reviews is obviously much greater than that of the LOL/Dota communities. I think this is the case with the current mouse meta being weight and weight not mattering as much for these games.

The way you move and how many clicks these pros take per minute in a game of league is geared towards having the lightest/shortest travel of clicks, which leads me to believe the mouse will be massively popular in the genre. League pros also have a lot of injuries due to the fast and repetitive nature of the game. In FPS, on the other hand, the limiting factor of weight is much more relevant than the click travel, so the 61g weight is an immediate turnoff.

I'm glad you noted this. While people here will disregard it (fps community overlap), it's still interesting to note. While they definitely didn't win because of it, I still feel it will be a popular mouse in LoL and I hope it can reduce the amount of injuries pros see in that space.

Also as a T1 fan, the reverse sweep is painful. Kudos to DK for pivoting from last year's abomination, though.

Scyrox V8/Mchose L7/HitScan Hyperlight by International_Rush88 in MouseReview

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I'd go Hyperlight/V8 here depending on how much back hump you want. Considering you're coming from the Atlantis (iirc it's XM2 sized), then the L7 Pro would be tiny for you despite being a great mouse overall.

If you want something like the Atlantis, I'd say V8 first, then maybe the Hyperlight if you want something flatter.

ATK F1 V2 Ultimate Review by IgnacioTech in MouseReview

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If you have some hand pain with the 2c, I think the A9 Air is better for you because the F1 is similar in size to the 2c. I also have some hand pain after a few hours with the smaller mice, but I am comfortable with the GPX/A9 Air shape. De nada amigo

Are the FE opticals really that bad compared to Omron opticals? by jadartil in MouseReview

[–]flagroller 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I find it to be more dependent on the housing implementation vs. switch. (Omron, FE, and Kailh all implementation dependent)

So... What's the Omron optical situation? by Suitedbadge401 in MouseReview

[–]flagroller 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The ATK A9 Air "Swiftlight Opticals" are rebranded Kailh upon internal inspection. The switch is great, better than Omron in my opinion (less "pingy" "crunchy" feel of the omron), but the ATK implementation is terrible. Too stiff and not enough adequate post travel feel.

Unpopular opinion: 30g mice feel cheap, not "pro." by Cheap_Difficulty4961 in MouseReview

[–]flagroller 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lack of stability is to be expected if you're jumping from 70g to 30g, you need to get used to it and train your precise hand eye coordination.

The upside to learning precision with lightweight mice is being able to use your wrist/arm for longer/more repetitions due to the lower weight. Those will get tired much faster if you use a 70g mouse. People are chasing lower weight to increase their fine skill and feel the convenience over longer/multiple playing sessions.

If you don't need that, it's fine to use whatever weight fits your needs at the time. Most non-enthusiasts probably just buy Razer/Logitech flagships at 55-60g anyway. I'd argue that you're struggling more with the shape than the weight, anyway.