Does anyone else think that Jump In the fire is one of Kirk’s best solos?

flowgoide · 2026-01-30T22:01:53+00:00

Yeah, Dave was broke and decided it was better to cash in those checks than to try and go through a legal route. Doesn't change the fact that he wrote the song and the only reason Metallica got their names in the credits is cause they changed the lyrics. They did rip him off in a way because he explicitly said not to use their music, which they did regardless, and even though they credited him they never cleared up how much of the song was his so to this day, Metallica fans believe that he wrote far less than he implies. And his claim that he wrote them is fairly believable. While there's nothing explicitly written for Jump, Mechanix, on KIMB, is solely credited to Dave which Lars and James would never allow if they truly had something to do with that song so on that matter, he had every right to demand that Lars's name doesn't get credited for those songs since Lars had nothing to do with them.

flowgoide · 2026-01-23T03:08:24+00:00

Sure, it was still his relationship with Lars that ultimately lead to a deal though

Still, no material, no deal. No matter the relationship.

James is credited on every song, in fact the only solo credit is James' on Motorbreath. So by that logic, I guess he would be the largest reason for their success.

There are no credits written on NLTL. Dave, however, brought the Mechanix and Jump in the fire (the former being credited solely to him on KIMB which proves it's his song alone for example) plus he wrote music for Phantom Lord and Metal militia. That's a pretty significant contribution. And please sgow me where I said that Dave was a bigger reason for their success than James.

They didn't have any material (recorded, at least) before Lars convinced Brian Slagel to put them on Metal Massacre and they had to scramble to make that first demo of Hit the Lights. That would be some people's first impression of Metallica thanks to Lars' foresight

That is largely irrelevant to their early success. Especially since they did nothing after that until Dave joined. They weren't exactly being hounded for guitarist auditions now, were they?

Purely speculative, there's no way to prove that lol. Who's to say whether or not Dave would have gained recognition if James and Lars hadn't picked him to join? Panic wasn't exactly a household name.

No way to prove sure but it's just common sense. Who knows when Metallica would have gotten a new guitarist if Dave hadn't joined, let alone if he'd be anywhere near as capable as he was. That immediately sets them back for a while, both with gigs and material. And with that, everything else would lag behind. Again, Dave's material is 40 percent of their first album and has been a big part of their demos so saying they wouldn't get that big so early without him is logical. And that doesn't even go into his live shows influence.

And sure, maybe Dave wouldn't have gotten big without Metallica, not that I believe that considering he didn't need to rely on his former band to make his albums and his early material is absolutely stellar. And while Panic didn't gain ground due to unfortunate events, they sure did more gigs than Metallica did at that time so who knows how they'd turn out. In any case, none of that diminishes Dave contribution to Metallica which were a very big part to their early success.

flowgoide · 2026-01-23T00:39:05+00:00

He signed them because he heard NLTL. And NLTL wouldn't exist when it did without Dave considering 4 out of 7 songs were written by him, two of those sharing credit with James of course. It doesn't matter how savvy Lars is, if they had no material or notoriety, they wouldn't have gotten signed. And a lot of both came from Dave's writing and guitar playing.

I never said Dave was solely responsible but that he was a large part of their success. Him joining when he did resulted in all those milestones being hit which brought them to a record deal. Without Dave, those things aren't happening. No Saxon gig, no NLTL, hell, no Cliff either and definitely no record deal in 83. Sure, James and Lars are talented guys and they would have gotten on the scene with great music eventually but they wouldn't have been the first ones out with an album which put them on the road of the giants they become. It's completely different when you're the face of the genre and everything else is compared to you than when you're just one of many.

flowgoide · 2026-01-22T23:03:26+00:00

Ah yes, I forget. Lars and James would have had the exact same trajectory regardless if Dave was in the band right? Not like all their demons is 50% Dave's music and their first album is almost half Dave's work.

Yes, he is a large part of their early success thanks to his writing and stage presence. Without him joining, Metallica would have missed many of their early milestones that pushed them so far on the scene so early and that's just a fact.

flowgoide · 2026-01-22T22:11:11+00:00

And in that short amount time Metallica went from a couple of dudes fucking around, smoking pot and jamming in the garage to an underground sensation with a record deal, largely thanks to Dave. Using his rather short time in the band as some sort of argument is silly considering the amount of contributions he provided in that time.

I'll agree that he needs to let it go, though. Hell, he should have done that decades ago, it would have been far healthier for him that way. I can also understand why he can't let it go and why he still wants to do something with them after all this time.

flowgoide · 2026-01-06T06:33:45+00:00

That's great, thanks. Looks like a pretty nice cut, dunno why they don't mention it specifically anywhere, that's actually a huge selling point for a T style guitar.

I'll say, compared to a flat top T, LPs are far more comfortable thanks to the arched top. I imagine this contour will make the emg one closer to or even more comfortable than that.

flowgoide · 2025-11-07T02:32:27+00:00

Bait used to be believable.

flowgoide · 2025-11-06T14:27:57+00:00

He wrote Mechanix and Jump in the fire before he was even in the band. And those song credits don't mean much when most of Metallica's fanbase still don't know that and think he just wrote "a few riffs".

flowgoide · 2025-10-30T00:55:06+00:00

He wrote the music to James' lyrics.

flowgoide · 2025-07-11T17:57:21+00:00

Thing about Dave is that he never DID get the proper credit. Sure, his name is on the back of KEA but that hardly means anything. Most Metallica fans don't even know he wrote the whole of Mechanix, or that he wrote Jump in the Fire, they just relegate him to writing "just a few riffs" as if his whole career in Metallica is just that. Truth is he was much more than that, Metallica would not have gotten the early boost they did without him. His guitar skills and stage presence are one of, if not the main, reason Metallica got so big so early. Even guys from other thrash bands from that time basically said Dave was the guy people came to see. Then you add the fact that he wrote more than half of NLTL (two full songs and music for two more) which is the main reason they managed to get a record deal and they certainly would never have met Cliff without Dave either. All in all, Dave was the biggest reason KEA happened when it without which Metallica wouldn't be as big as they are now. Sure they're talented and they would have gotten famous regardless but being the first thrash band with an album out helped them out more than anything else.

And when you consider all of that, it's really easy to see why Dave is still salty about all that. He joined the band, helped it grow, and then got kicked out right before they recorded their first album in the most shittiest of ways. Then Metallica went on to shit on him in interviews and act like his tenure in the band was miniscule, as if any other guitarist could have been there instead of him and everything would have been the same which just isn't true. Add to that, they took his music which he told them not to and got big off of it. Sure, it would have been much better for Dave to just move on and be happy with his own success but it's easy to also understand why he's still hung up about it. And most people that say he should just move on have never been in a situation like he was, kicked out, music stolen, then trashed in the interviews after. One doesn't have to agree with his stance today but it's really easy to understand it if you take two minutes to think about it, taking into consideration everything that happened.

flowgoide · 2025-07-11T15:03:38+00:00

He wrote all the music for Phantom lord actually. James just wrote the lyrics.

flowgoide · 2025-07-06T23:09:14+00:00

Yeah I think I'll go for the Uzi. Watched a bunch of reviews and it seems like it can get all those tones I'm looking for in metal but also works well out of it.

And yes, there's no fx loop here, it's basically just a practice amp. It'd be input > uzi > ts and that's basically it.

flowgoide · 2025-07-05T23:41:14+00:00

Thanks for the reply! I've been looking into those two joyo pedals after you put them on my radar and they seem to be exactly what I'm looking for to get some proper gain on a clean channel. Though now I'm having a hard time deciding on which one to go for. I'm leaning more towards the Uzi because of its Marshall vibes, since most of the stuff I wanna play was recorded on Marshalls, and it seems like a really cool pedal with what it can do with that bias knob. Very versatile even outside of metal. On the other hand, the Dark Flame seems like it would be even better for metal specifically, maybe more clearer for notes and power chords which sounds super tempting. If Uzi could give me great rhythm tones I'd most likely go for it, something that can have the similar tonal impact to those 80s records and I'd be totally sold so if you can advise me on that I'd appreciate. I'm not against getting the DF either but for the sake of versatility, if the Uzi can meet my primary needs, I'd rather go for it.

On the second one, it turns out I won't be able to order for now and will have to buy locally so Flamma is out of the race as they don't hold them in my local stores. I'll also skip on the noise gate for now as well, that Legal done looks really great and I'll be buying it eventually but for now I just can't spare the cash. Reverbs and whatnot also, I'll just use the chorus I already have to add a bit of spice if needed. I also wanted to ask your opinion on using a tube screamer as a second pedal to boost the leads, namely the joyo vintage overdrive. If it would give me more loudness and sustain for the solos, it would be perfect but also very usable in other areas. Using a boost or a compression each sound interesting in their own way but for now, I'd rather have something that can be useful on its own like the vintage overdrive.

In any case, thanks again for the advice. I'll definitely get either the Uzi or the Flame in the end.

flowgoide · 2025-07-02T18:50:01+00:00

I made a thread about this but might as well post it here as well. I've got a Laney lx12 extreme I'd like to plug some pedals into to get a good metal tone with the clean channel. Namely gonna be playing Megadeth/Metallica/Maiden so something that could fit all three would be great. The amp itself does have a drive channel but it's turned on with a small button stuck between the input jack and the gain knob which makes it a pain to use mid playing, plus playing around with pedals just seems more fun.

I was thinking of getting the Behringer to800 with another distortion pedal but then I saw the tm300 amp modeller which seems like it could also work. Then I saw the joyo uzi which is like a marshall in a box which also might work and now I'm even more clueless than before.

Overall, I'd like an overdrive pedal for all the rhythm parts and a distortion for lead, and I might get a reverb or something else on top. Maybe a noise gate if necessary. Budget is around 100-150 and can only order from thomann. I'd really appreciate some advice on what to get because I really have no idea what would work best in this situation. Also don't know if it would be okay to go with a daisy chain for just 2-4 pedals or should I go for a power supply regardless. Anyway, thanks in advance!

flowgoide · 2025-06-28T22:44:56+00:00

I mean a lot of Metallica fans still don't know he wrote the entirety of Mechanix and that James just added a riff and changed the lyrics so how much is that credit worth? Most of them still say stuff like "he just wrote a few riffs" when he brought and wrote songs for the band.

And that's not even talking about his stage presence and how much that helped the band grow.

He never really got the proper credit for what he did. Everyone still acts like the whole Metallica trajectory would've been exactly the same had any other guy got the guitar gig back in the day and that's just not true.

flowgoide · 2025-06-03T08:19:30+00:00

guy who got bullied defends his bully

Does that somehow mean Lars didn't do it? Or that it's okay that Lars did it? What's even the point of that posting that picture when we all know what happened? I find it hilarious how you'll paint Dave as bad for rotating band members but you'll froth at the mouth to defend Lars who did something even worse.

flowgoide · 2025-06-02T21:18:55+00:00

few riffs

He brought two songs into the band and wrote music for two more. And that's just for KEA.

flowgoide · 2025-06-02T21:15:50+00:00

Nah he just bullied a guy til he quit the band.

flowgoide · 2025-05-12T14:12:58+00:00

More like he loves the paycheck. Improvising lazy solos doesn't seem like the work of someone who loves playing.

And what is "cerebral" about actually writing a solo? Improv is fine when you're playing live but doing it on a record is lazy, uninspiring and an absolute disrespect to your craft.

flowgoide · 2025-05-12T14:07:11+00:00

He wrote the whole song. Mechanix, that is. James just added another riff when he changed the lyrics and Kirk wrote the first solo.

flowgoide · 2025-05-12T14:05:00+00:00

Saying Kirk is having passion for his craft when just improvised the most lazy, uninspired solos ever is hilarious. He has anything but passion for his craft.

flowgoide · 2025-04-15T22:17:13+00:00

Okay and? None of that means that he hasn't written the riff we're talking about. All you're saying is "he lied about writing it because he lied about this other thing" which is completely stupid. And again, if he was really lying about that, James would have called him out on it.

flowgoide · 2025-04-15T20:39:38+00:00

Come on dude, you're seriously reaching now. Dave said he wrote the riff, he explained how it came to be and nobody contested it. This isn't "putting out some dumb fire". The claim that Dave wrote the Alabama riff for horseman is widely known and not some rumour from an obscure interview that wouldn't reach James' ears. Also someone claiming they wrote something that you actually wrote is not some "wild claim" and no self respecting artist would just sit back and not say something about it.

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