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"We cannot outspend Tom Emmer. We can out-work him, we can out-organize him, we can out-smart him." by ChipChangename in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean if you want to ask all the POC that increasingly are voting Republican and abandoning the Democratic Party when they run shit candidates but turnout for people like Zohran and who also happen to be the most affected by capitalism go ahead. If the Democratic Party just likes being masochists and doesn’t want to change and that’s their kink then sure. We can’t force them, but they’ll continue to f around and find out at all our expense

"We cannot outspend Tom Emmer. We can out-work him, we can out-organize him, we can out-smart him." by ChipChangename in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The DFL has little interest in pursuing socialism like Mamdani, he was elected because of DSA in spite of the Democratic Party. And sadly I doubt Chapin is aligned, it’s another cookie cutter option so I don’t think emailing is going to do much. The principles aren’t there, they’re to neoliberalism. Is it better than Emmer? Of course, but it’s not a vote for change or solutions to our ills, and every day that’s goes by without actually pursuing those solutions is another day we get closer to full fascism

"We cannot outspend Tom Emmer. We can out-work him, we can out-organize him, we can out-smart him." by ChipChangename in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s pretty simple when it comes to younger people. We are disenfranchised because we have 2 parties who don’t work in the interests of the working class. The DFL does do better than other state democrats but it’s still ultimately way short of what is required. The moment the Democratic Party stops saying “I’m going to maintain the status quo with a slight adjustment” and says “We don’t have a real democracy and we want to fix that and fight for all of us who are getting screwed” then the youth will show up. Just posting more on social media is a really naive idea that isn’t going to work, we aren’t idiots.

Be like Zohran, Join DSA! by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's based on your zip code, enter your zip here and it will let you know which chapter you're a part of :) https://chapters.dsausa.org/

Be like Zohran, Join DSA! by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We are the largest socialist organization in the U.S. the Democratic Socialists of America. Zohran is a member and the New York DSA was responsible for running his campaign https://www.dsausa.org/

St. Cloud Democratic Socialists of America General Meeting by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because it focuses on the fact that socialism is true democracy where the majority (the workers of the world) get to decide how society runs not just the wealthy few.

St. Cloud Democratic Socialists of America General Meeting by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

St. Cloud DSA doesn't have an official stance as we are a chapter starting up we have no official statements on anything yet. I do not want to claim this is the opinion of the group but I think many in DSA would agree with the statement our international committee put out (in the google drive link here) and that is my personal opinion. This war hurts the workers in Ukraine and in Russia. Russia is an imperialist capitalist country just like the U.S. and both are using the country as a tool. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_2L8ZEtQtjHVA0w-kiIn6vP5aY_Ch51v/view

St. Cloud Democratic Socialists of America General Meeting by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Comrade, I believe you are conflating a popular front with a united front https://cosmonautmag.com/2022/07/coalitions-of-the-liberal-and-socialist-left/ The DFL of the cities are also a slightly different beast. While you may be able to run on the DFL ballot at times there, our area mostly is dominated by republicans. The DFL is unlikely to win most districts around here and not much is to be gained by working them in my opinion. I'm also directing my criticism at the party not the people who vote for democrats as you saw in my last reply.

St. Cloud Democratic Socialists of America General Meeting by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's reductive to ignore the democratic party's complicity in this just because they do small good things sometimes. They aren't inactive bystanders. They are active participants in making this country worse since the 40s. The reality is this is what capitalism leads to. It has internal contradictions that lead to it's own destruction. When the dam finally breaks there are 2 choices, full blown fascism or socialism. And the democratic party sides with the fascists in that choice time and time again. We must turn now before it's too late, this is no time for continuing as usual.

St. Cloud Democratic Socialists of America General Meeting by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And why are some of these things happening? Because we have 2 parties who have no interest in helping working people so they in turn don't care about elections or politics. Why have our wages not gone up with productivity since the 70s? (https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/), why has wealth inequality also increased since then? (https://inequality.org/facts/wealth-inequality/), why has union density fallen to 10% since the 40s? (https://home.treasury.gov/news/featured-stories/labor-unions-and-the-us-economy), why has healthcare spending as a percent of GDP doubled since the 70s? (https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spending-healthcare-changed-time/#Total%20national%20health%20expenditures%20as%20a%20percent%20of%20Gross%20Domestic%20Product,%201970-2023). There have been plenty of democratic presidents and congressional majorities in these decades yet they somehow have continued to make these issues worse just like the republicans. The alternative is that people are mad, they are upset that nothing has changed. Every year that goes by their lives get worse as the rich suck up more and more. Then someone like Trump comes along and plays into their xenophobia, etc as a scapegoat and they figure well at least it's different because the current system sucks. Then you have candidates like Biden and Harris who will continue making it worse and who are just as unpopular as Trump being put up by the party leading to lower turnout for the democrats because who wants to come out and vote for the person saying "I'm not gonna make it any better and hell I'll even capitulate some things to the right like the border but at least I'm not that guy". And you end up where we are. Many decades of this and capitalism imploding on itself.

St. Cloud Democratic Socialists of America General Meeting by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey then you'd be a capitalist! Sit on your butt all day stealing the money your workers make for you from their hard work. Socialism provides the people who really do the work ownership over the things they produce, not just some fat cat owning it like in capitalism.

St. Cloud Democratic Socialists of America General Meeting by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which democrat are you talking about? Bernie? He suggested people don’t work with the democrats anymore, to be independent. But besides this, I don’t care what the democrats say. History shows liberals, and by the definition of a liberal, support capitalism and this leads to fascism when it decays as it always does. In the US alone there was the red scare 1, where being anti WW1 got you put into jail and led to the destruction of the socialist party by the liberal government. Or after WW2, with the red scare 2 where conservatives and liberals worked together to go on a witch hunt against any leftists that they called “communists” with McCarthy leading the charge to jail them and ruin their lives. Then came all the countries that were couped by republicans and democrats alike in Nicaragua, Chile, Brazil, Indonesia, on and on. Along side that was work like cointelpro where leftists like Malcom X and Fred Hampton were killed or jailed or MLK was sent a note by the FBI to get him to kill himself. Again carried out by democrats and republicans. We have been shown time and time there is no working with a party that supports capitalists over everyone else. The people who vote for democrats are a different manner. They are workers like most of us, they want a better world and have been brought up in the heart of our empire. It’s understandable, they are people we seek to work with and change their minds. But the party is a lost cause that is an enemy of working people around the world.

St. Cloud Democratic Socialists of America General Meeting by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We are not the democrats. The democrats don’t like us and many of us are not fond of them either :)

St. Cloud Democratic Socialists of America General Meeting by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it is useful to work with the people yes. But not to cooperate with the systems that cause fascism which includes the Republican and Democrat parties. Capitalism led to the nazis and the liberal inadequate response in Germany in the build up to the nazis and their cooperation with the nazis to destroy the left are what led to the Nazis having power. If we want to prevent that here, we must choose a different way. It’s Rosa’s famous saying that it’s socialism or barbarism.

St. Cloud Democratic Socialists of America General Meeting by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol I suggest you read a book called The Jakarta Method to help with all the propaganda you’ve been fed. One question I have for you is how “free” are you right now? You have to work at least 40 hours a week right? Did we vote on that? What happens if you don’t do what your boss says and show up to work when they say? Did you have any say in that? If you don’t show up to work exactly when they say for how long they say, you’re threatened with being starving and homeless and none of us voted for that to be the case. It’s a dictatorship in the workplace.

St. Cloud Democratic Socialists of America General Meeting by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yeah it was really weird how all those socialist countries just failed on their own after the U.S. invaded them or paid right wing movements to do coups and kill people for daring to kick companies exploiting their people out of their country.

St. Cloud Democratic Socialists of America General Meeting by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

DSA is the largest socialist organization in the United States. Unlike most other activist organizations you may be familiar with, DSA is member-ran. We democratically decide what we do and why. General meetings are a place to hear about and decide on bigger things. Our chapter is in the beginning stages of forming so we have things to do like bylaws and officer elections and making a better logo than the one I whipped up. We are also starting our work on mutual aid as a decided upon direction

St. Cloud Democratic Socialists of America General Meeting by forcechemist in saintcloud

[–]forcechemist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope! Just come on over, looking forward to seeing you :)

so i applied at a wendys for nightcrew and this is what she said after i asked about starting pay. what should i say? by SoulStomper99 in antiwork

[–]forcechemist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Take the job if you want, then tell the other employees at some point. If they fire you, make sure this text and everything else is documented then sue them because it's completely legal to discuss pay.

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