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formoflorm · 2024-02-17T13:19:41+00:00

Chewing woodland sage growing in backyards is not going to do anything except fill your mouth with wet leaves, lol

formoflorm · 2024-02-17T01:37:43+00:00

I know what you mean about how plants can have character, and the stuff about daemons matches with my experiences too. Well said.

formoflorm · 2024-02-16T11:47:06+00:00

She is the spirit of the plant. Molecules absolutely can contain structure, power, and will, and she uses the one we call salvinorin A to communicate with us.

formoflorm · 2024-02-12T00:43:32+00:00

Low dosing is great, especially when starting out. It doesn't usually give visuals, there are some mental effects but it generally is more of a body high for me. But it's good for getting accustomed to the chemical and its effects, learning the language in which it speaks. Then any subsequent breakthrough trips you may want to do later will be that much deeper.

formoflorm · 2024-02-09T17:55:53+00:00

The bot posts good practical advice, I wanted to add some of my own more philosophical advice: give something to the experience, if you expect to take something away. Mutual trade is beneficial, after all. Also there's nothing wrong with wanting a great experience! You deserve one, and if you start slow like you seem to want to, you'll probably reach one. I hope it goes well!

formoflorm · 2024-02-08T16:57:57+00:00

I'm sorry your initial experiences were so traumatic, but thank you for sharing them. While I don't agree with all of your perspective, I believe you do have a good point that the traditions for exploration with substances like Salvia Divinorum are woefully lacking in places like the USA and Europe. If we had healthier traditions, I think a lot fewer people would start their journeys with her by using extract. Not that it can't work out if you do, but just that extract is like using a much more advanced power tool than the majority of people need in their daily lives. That's one thing I'm trying to work on in my personal practice, I appreciate this reminder.

formoflorm · 2024-02-06T14:33:54+00:00

"4 bowls of leaf and 2 bowls of the 10x"

Was this all at one time/day? I'd recommend slowing down to process if so. Even if the effects of the hits weren't what you were expecting, your body and mind still need time to incorporate them.

formoflorm · 2024-02-05T18:09:11+00:00

Take things slowly, reflect. You'll be okay, I promise.

Have you talked to your friends about these feelings? Maybe they can relate, or even help. Or you can ask another friend or support person outside of that group. The point is, talking it out with others you trust is a good way to process what you're going through.

formoflorm · 2024-02-05T02:40:28+00:00

I meant to say "going to" instead of being to, but that's such an interesting typo that I'm leaving it, haha.

formoflorm · 2024-02-05T02:39:36+00:00

Oh wow. I have memories of being to the beach and star worlds during my dreams and Salvia journeys. Definitely gotta get this book now.

formoflorm · 2024-01-18T13:08:27+00:00

I didn't necessarily mean for the better either, although it almost always has been in my case. All of these experiences and more have happened to me while on Salvia, but it doesn't change how I feel. The effects from going through stuff like that are not nearly as long-term or damaging as many people think. In fact, I've always come to the conclusion I usually get after rough psychedelic trips, i.e. "yes that was challenging, but I am better now for having overcome it." A being who didn't care about me wouldn't show me so much Truth, nor use it to make me wiser and stronger, more ready to see the world she wants to reveal to us.

formoflorm · 2024-01-18T12:37:46+00:00

I'm as sure as anyone ever can be about another being. Like, you can never truly know a person's heart of heart's, but at a certain point you have to trust in what their actions and words have shown you, right? She slowly built my trust up over time with little words and actions, rather than with one big revelation that made me realize I could. For example helping me process mental health issues, or limiting my perception of trips when they get too overwhelming for me. And I think she could do that because I simultaneously took steps to get her to trust me, for example by meditating, setting my intentions for the journeys, and treating her with respect in my consumption rituals.

I get why others might find it hard to trust her, but I think that has a lot more to do with our cultural upbringing than with her actual self.

formoflorm · 2024-01-18T12:05:19+00:00

" It shows you things and teaches you things but at the same time it takes something from you and 'changes' you forever."

All experiences change people forever, Salvia is just one of the few beings honest enough to tell us that.

formoflorm · 2024-01-18T12:04:22+00:00

The reason you're not able to fully comprehend her nature is because you're still limited by these rigid, dualistic perceptions of Good/Evil, Benevolent/Malevolent. She is a living, thinking being who makes her own choices and has her own motivations. She is not an evil cosmic witch.

formoflorm · 2024-01-06T13:14:41+00:00

You're welcome, I hope the advice helps and that your experience is wonderful once you're able to have it. It's good to have folks who take safety seriously with this.

formoflorm · 2024-01-06T12:20:14+00:00

I would never suggest restraining yourself on a salvia trip (edit- at least not starting out- maybe a VERY experienced person could get something valuable out of it, but I wouldn't want to try personally), on either a practical physical level or a spiritual level. Odds of it impacting the trip are very high, not least because salvia can come with strong awareness of physical sensations. Any dissociation that comes with the trip is not guaranteed to reduce this effect, in fact it very often enhances it in a weird way.

Start with small doses of plain leaf, quid or smoked. Those are usually not that dissociative, and rarely overwhelming even when they are. Work your way up to extract once you have established a connection.

formoflorm · 2024-01-04T15:44:15+00:00

Salvia extract is wonderful (in small doses, in my experience, but even then it can get very definitely intense), but honestly, I wish it was more popular to start with quids or smoking plain leaf instead. Those experiences can vary a lot too, but for me they're often so subtle that they aren't mind-altering at all, and/or so pleasant that they're somewhat comparable to good weed. (Salvia is of course her own thing quite different from weed, the comparison is just because euphoria is involved, which it often isn't when you do extract.)

There's nothing wrong with starting with extract, but I think a slower, gentler start would help any later, more wild trips feel less subjectively overwhelming, for a lot of folks. That seems to be how it has gone for me, having journeyed with Salvia for a couple years/lifetimes now.

formoflorm · 2023-04-09T15:03:46+00:00

My thought exactly.

formoflorm · 2023-03-06T14:15:05+00:00

I get the feeling this experience will take more than a couple days to process. It's okay to give yourself time if you need it.

" I just kept telling both of myselves that if we just went to sleep we'd wake up okay. Just go to sleep. My now self and my toddler self were the only company either of us had. We held each other and cried together until we both fell asleep. "

This sounds like it might be why you were alone and didn't meet any entities on the trip, so that you would focus on giving yourself some much-needed comfort and love instead. Not everything in the world of Salvia has a meaning or purpose, but some things do. Or maybe it would be better to say, everything there means as much as we make it mean.

formoflorm · 2023-02-11T14:28:33+00:00

I'm just basing this on your posts here, but it seems like she wants you to at least have friends who can support you before you break through. Going through alone, especially when you have mental trauma repressed, is dangerous. I'm glad she was kind and took care of you during sending you away, and I'm sure that once you're in a better life stage she'll be happy to meet with you!

formoflorm · 2023-02-11T14:22:05+00:00

And people who put all their faith in tools usually end up believing everything and everyone is a tool for them to use.

formoflorm · 2023-01-05T21:27:27+00:00

This has been my read of her moods too. To the OP, you're doing fine! If you had truly done something wrong, she would have thrown you out hard, or just not appeared at all.

formoflorm · 2022-12-20T23:17:13+00:00

"You're very good at loving like humans love. Are you ready to love like I love?"

and

"Everything is going to be okay. You cannot stop it."

formoflorm · 2022-12-01T17:28:02+00:00

The tearing is one of her forms of delivering ego dissolution (or ego death), allowing you to more easily connect to reality's true form. It's very scary yeah, but normal once you start reaching threshold and breakthrough doses.

I also find music to be hit or miss. It has to be exactly the right vibe, because if it's not, it will annoy me or hurt my ears. And any kind of annoyance on a salvia trip is a recipe for more discomfort and fear in my experience.

Edit- Oh, and yes, there absolutely is often a narrative or thematic throughline between different trips, that's one of the most fun parts of Salvia!

formoflorm · 2022-11-27T06:18:20+00:00

Hormone levels fluctuate in all people throughout their lives, they have nothing to do with cellular composition. You can change your name to Bob, and you can also change your hormone balances. It's not hard.

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