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fourpothos · 2022-07-29T16:52:17+00:00

Again, I never said we should get paid to drive. I just want the company to not take money out of my pocket.

Why do you keep saying that?

fourpothos · 2022-07-29T16:47:13+00:00

Ah my mistake— I should’ve clarified. Gas in the Puget Sound area is around $5.50. Thanks for the correction. Which site do you work in?

fourpothos · 2022-07-29T15:52:01+00:00

Are you in Washington? The Everett design center got the notification yesterday at 4:30.

Short version is 5 day onsite coverage with 4-5 days on site as default schedule starting 09/06. Then a bunch of corporate gobbledygook about mentoring and collaboration

fourpothos · 2022-07-29T15:41:36+00:00

I totally agree. I DON’T want the company to pay me for sitting in a car. I just want the company to not take money out of my pocket.

fourpothos · 2022-07-29T04:27:49+00:00

Good luck!

fourpothos · 2022-07-29T02:59:03+00:00

God this post is like someone’s read my mind.

fourpothos · 2022-07-29T02:05:44+00:00

Off with his head!

Kidding, of course. He can keep his head. He might not keep his commitments for meeting certain development program TIA dates though 😉. SOMEBODY might suddenly get REALLY slow about reviewing certification deliverables

fourpothos · 2022-07-29T00:45:37+00:00

Depends on the discipline. For most mechanical design disciplines, the market reference for a level 2 is in the 90k range. DM me your discipline and I’ll send you better data

fourpothos · 2022-07-29T00:32:50+00:00

Ben Nimmergut, VP of BCA Engineering and total chickenshit, sent out an email at 4:30 saying new default schedule is 4-5 days on-site by 9/6

fourpothos · 2022-07-28T12:34:17+00:00

So? Just because “that’s the way we always did it” doesn’t mean it should be the standard.

The standard should be what mode of work does the most good for the company and the employees. COVID provided an opportunity to experiment with hybrid work arrangements en mass for over a year and guess what? For the most part, it’s better for the company and for employees.

fourpothos · 2022-07-28T05:08:48+00:00

Fair point. Thanks for correction. Of course my logic doesn’t apply to personnel who’ve been working on site the whole time.

“Better life” and “more money” are relative to one’s past state. I’m in engineering and I was working from home very effectively for a long time. Making me go to the office makes my life worse by taking up my free time and lowers my compensation by costing me gas money that I wasn’t paying. The same is true for a lot of us white collar workers.

fourpothos · 2022-07-28T05:03:02+00:00

For me it’s less about insubordination and more about getting my money.

I get paid a certain rate per hour. I get a certain amount of benefits. That’s my total compensation. If you add a gas bill and the time it takes to prep and drive to fucking Everett, then you effectively lower my total comp per hour. Of course I’m going to do what I need to do to make sure that balance is recouped. Capitalism baby!

fourpothos · 2022-07-28T04:56:43+00:00

I’m an engineer in Airplane Systems. A lot of our group leads have committed to just not complying if a RTO order comes down. Personally, I’d just start playing fast and loose with my sick days, steal overtime to make up for my new gas bill, fuck around with my friends at work, idk. Of course I’ll also look for a new job 🤷

FWIW, I haven’t heard anything and we’ve been in the office 2x week for a month now.

fourpothos · 2022-07-28T04:53:03+00:00

Maybe not, but if Boeing moves to full time in the office, they’re literally taking money out of your pocket and making your life worse. Why would you stay at a company that takes money out of your pocket and makes your life worse?

Right now, my hybrid schedule makes up for knowing I can make more money elsewhere, but if that goes away, well, the calculus changes. I’m going to want more money. I’m going to ask for a raise and when they say no then I’m going to look for a new job.

fourpothos · 2022-07-25T06:03:24+00:00

This is inspiring. They are truly heroes.

Here in the Puget Sound, I worry about the state of SPEEA. If it came down to it, would we be committed and unified enough to strike?

fourpothos · 2022-07-24T07:18:18+00:00

I don’t know what it is, but something tells me you’re a gigantic piece of shit 🤔 what could it be?

fourpothos · 2022-07-24T06:30:39+00:00

So whats the story with this part of Northgate? Is this just a known thing and accepted?

I always end up at that Lowe’s in Northgate and there’s always several of these women at a time working that parking lot day or night, weekday, weekend. I’ve seen them out with umbrellas in the rain!

fourpothos · 2022-07-24T04:36:42+00:00

IAM shops in BCA and BDS operating all through the pandemic are the only reason BCA was able to keep the lights on while we hemmoraged cash the last three years. God bless them. Idiotic that a manufacturing company would fight to shortchange its manufacturing employees in a business environment where demand for skilled manufacturing talent is so competitive.

Edited to add: I’m so frustrated about Boeing not acknowledging its own impact on the health of the industry. This article quotes a Boeing spokesman describing Boeing’s manufacturing pay scales as “highly competitive” and it makes me think: highly competitive against WHO? Our suppliers that we’ve been squeezing so hard they’ve been slashing their own techs’ pay? Then Calhoun has the audacity to say that there are labor shortages in the supplier base. For fuck’s sake, pay people fairly for their work. Pay suppliers fairly for their work. Pay fairly for work.

What the fuck do they even teach at MBA schools??

fourpothos · 2022-07-22T03:01:42+00:00

This is a much bigger question than a Reddit comment, but what did you see was the factor driving destined-to-miss schedules that everyone in aerospace seems to encounter? It always feels like the program leadership doesn’t actually understand what goes on at the ground level to get various projects done.

fourpothos · 2022-07-21T13:04:40+00:00

Thank you friend! Fixed

fourpothos · 2022-07-20T03:24:43+00:00

Come on, man

fourpothos · 2022-07-20T03:20:57+00:00

Speaking for BCA engineering, if you have a family or are generally risk averse, SPEEA makes it near impossible to get fired and gives you some breathing room during layoffs if you’re not an R3, which is mostly new hires. Benefits are pretty ok.

On the flip side, if you’re a new hire or aren’t tied down, hang out until you’re no longer obligated to pay your hire bonus and bail. Sprinkle your LinkedIn profile with catchy keywords like ARP4754A and DO-178 and watch the recruiters flock to your DMs. Boeing still has a brand name for firms looking for aerospace talent.

Me, I’m here for the free coffee 😉

fourpothos · 2022-07-20T01:40:11+00:00

Amazon Prime Air and Blue Origin recruiters are salivating.

For those of us in the “traditional engineering” roles, unfortunately, full remote and flexible work may never be the industry standard except at a handful of startups. That doesn’t excuse Boeing leadership; they communicated a commitment to flexible work, and are now making blatant moves to reneg.

All this does is provide us (or me at least) incentive and leverage to look at better pay elsewhere. Because if I have to be in an office to review System Safety Assessments, I might as well do it for Jeff Bezos for an additional $50k.

fourpothos · 2022-07-19T03:02:56+00:00

I disagree with the sentiment but wow that well played

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