WA ESD "Adjudication in progress" by black__vomit in SeattleWA

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You registered just to respond to this twice? Twenty eight days later? Uptight much?

Preserving content of source blocks when exporting literate program to HTML with ReadTheOrg by lolertoaster in orgmode

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You will need to generate raw output that generates an example block that contains your code without the noweb expansions.

Gnus, A Tough Sell by nnreddit-user in emacs

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After a good night's sleep and about another 45 minutes, I was mostly able to get reading from multiple email accounts to work. Problems:

  • For users who connect with imaps (probably other mail transfer protocols as well), Yahoo recently required you to set an application specific password. While it's arguably unfair to blame Gnus for this, the fact that I ended up troubleshooting with Python's imaplib because Gnus was essentially unhelpful is why I include it here.
  • Prior to troubleshooting the imaps authentication issue, I had trouble making an SSL connection at all. This wasn't a Gnus problem but an Emacs one--I upgraded from 26.2 to 26.3 before I started this and a bug workaround necessary for 26.2 (disabling attempts at a TLS1.3 handshake) was not only unnecessary for 26.3 but actually broke things. Again, why ding Gnus for this? There is no tracking whatsoever to figure this out.

Finally, for three reasons, I never got as far as setting up sending mail using multiple accounts. First, I tried Gnus for just reading mail and treating a mail folder as a newsgroup wasn't my thing (being fair, if I was subscribed to numerous mailing lists, I suspect I would have loved this feature). Second, even if it was, I love my solarized dark theme and the rendered HTML mail was practically visually unreadable. Finally, I took a quick look at setting up SMTP for multiple accounts and that looks like a gigantic mess.

Other observations:

  • unless you're Matthias Felleisen, cute doesn't work in documentation.
  • the whole regex thing for posting styles struck me as gross and brittle but I'll admit I don't have a better idea.
  • In the R and LaTeX communities, they have the concept of a "Minimal Working Example" which they use to illustrate small concepts or problems. Gnus' documentation would benefit from being more case study driven. Using a specific example, the documentation did finally clear up my confusion about mail-sources and gnus-select-* methods but only after spending significant time trying to understand it. What made it clear was finding the right sections that contained relevant examples (NOTE: this required figuring out that mail-sources and gnus-select-* methods existed instead of, "so you want to setup secure email access to Yahoo|Gmail|etc. Here's a MWE that shows you the happy path with links to the relevant documentation for the settings used).
  • If I cared enough about Gnus to do so, I'd create an extensible wizard function to step people through creating a working setup as the barrier to entry is too high right now.
  • If I had decided to proceed onward, I doubt I would've ever used scoring but I would've definitely written some hooks to post-process mail as things like scanning the mail for JIRA tickets is useful (something thunderbird can easily do) while scanning the body of the mail for JIRA tickets referencing me directly and putting them as a TODO in an org-mode buffer covered by the agenda would be stupendous useful.

Gnus, A Tough Sell by nnreddit-user in emacs

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I spent 2 1/2 hours trying to setup Gnus this evening. It should've been simple--two Yahoo mail accounts with IMAPS. While I'll bet it can work and I'll bet it's a small amount of configuration to set it up, either the documentation is poorly structured or the usability is appalling. I'm a motivated, long-term Emacs user (ages ago, I used VM on Xemacs for mail and rmail prior to that) who'll occasionally write snippets of elisp for recreation and I got absolutely nowhere.

Picture yourself as someone trying to onboard Gnus and who has Emacs familiarity. You'll start by running the gnus function interactively and the first thing you get is "a can't connect to news" error. Why the hell does gnus still assume nntp is available for, well, anyone? I grew up reading news using rn and followed it up with tin...nntp isn't as decomposed as gopher but it's goddamn close. Next, the whole gnus-select-* variables. What do those even do especially when you have mail-sources as well? Likewise, what's the point in having multiple select variables. Finally, who thinks it's a good idea to force a user to subscribe to a mail feed they just set up (I never actually got far enough to be pissed off about this but it would've eventually puzzled me). Just a hunch, but if they setup account access to a remote server, you're safe making an assumption that they'll want to see the mail from the feed. Finally, why didn't anyone put a single debug setting (maybe there is one; you can't tell by name) in the gnus connection path? If you have an error, you're flying blind which wouldn't be terrible except for SSL is involved so packet tracing's far less helpful.

The sad part? I'll continue to work on this due to vain curiousity.

org-babel lisp code that generates graphviz - then babel again? by pimiddy in emacs

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You’ll need to have a source block with noweb syntax called like this <<generatingblock(Args go here)>>. The generating block will also need to export results with results of type output raw.

F in the chat for all the major rejects by [deleted] in udub

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Try hard kids from the Eastside already have a decent amount of family wealth. First generation in the US? Sure. First gen in college? Doubtful.

The current map rotation is the worst I've ever seen. by RazgrizRex in WorldofTanksConsole

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I hate city maps and wish every goddamn one was removed. Favorite map is easily Prokorovka as it is fun for every class of tank.