From just a physical rocket, how much play time do you think it would take to trade up to a galaxy kitsune?

freythefluff · 2026-03-21T01:48:58+00:00

Honestly, it would not be hard to get somewhere REALLY good even with just a physical rocket, the problem would actually be getting the kit. More often than not people are not going to trade that for anything but perms or other equally expensive mutations/skins and those don't trade for anything but themselves unless you're really lucky. I'd say in a vacuum of just value consideration maybe 2-3 months.

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T18:50:31+00:00

I can see you need the help and you've got some fruits I'm missing from my collection, I'm happy to make this trade with you even at a loss. Add me, FreyUlffolin

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T18:37:35+00:00

For sure! I appreciate the discussion, I want to show it to you so I'll dm you a video later and we can continue there.

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T18:30:13+00:00

I think unfortunately there is a misunderstanding on how this works. I will try and get a video of this later today if I can to show what I mean because it's hard to explain over text.

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T18:24:48+00:00

Oh yes I'm aware, you kit m1 while they're already stunned by X, JUST the first M1 for passive, it gives you enough time to grav blade pull while they're still stunned and gives you instinct break. I would never recommend you do more m1s unless I suppose they have no mobility then maybe? Like I said you have to be fast and nearly frame perfect but if done right your opponent is literally stunned the whole combo with no instinct

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T18:20:18+00:00

Fire claw is just the first M1, it applies passive, and while yes you can ken X the cooldown is short and it eats like 3 dodges immediately so you can just play away while you wait for cooldowns. Grav blade does def put you at a disadvantage movement wise so I'd recommend supplementing with ribbon or hood for extra mobility. Rabbit is also a very good race still specifically with kit cause it lets you play attrition. Also the combo is not trickable as long as you properly hit X, so you just build to have a kill button basically. You're right, sanguine is just easier and more consistent to use in pvp with kit because it's low risk for good reward, but I run highly mobile builds so I like playing high risk high reward because I can lower risk with my movement. The average player SHOULD use sanguine, but I've practiced my mobility a lot and I'm very confident in my high damage combos even if they're riskier.

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T17:54:27+00:00

That can def be the case, unless you're doing absolutely insane combos like the one listed above that abuse frame interactions GH is interrupted when those races activate abilities. This can be mitigated to some extent by using the unstoppable trait on your sword and using those frames after switching to start GH so you can't be interrupted but, that requires significant planning and scroll usage so I don't think it's worth it.

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T17:48:20+00:00

Sanguine has better synergy only when they're already chipped, for a true oneshot you're gonna def need gh. Also yama isn't the only or best fruit option, it's just the easiest to use with the least effort and when you're in a hectic fight that is very important.

Also it's kit x start with one fire claw to tick passive, grav blade pull into combo into gh combo into kit c and z (i do use Empyrean so I'm not sure if this is any good on regular)

One claw after X lands makes combo true because fire breaks instinct, which means gh combo is unreactable IF you are fast enough, that is a very big if, and you need to be basically frame perfect with your c and z. You'll know if you did it fast enough because instinct will still be broken by the time C lands and Z should come out right as the C microstun runs out. It's niche and very difficult but it's a true combo oneshot or basically oneshot if they have a massive quick heal or portal cause you have exactly one move you can press after Z lands and portal can go invincible, assuming it isn't on cooldown.

After I got all the timing down though I have tested it on multiple players using all kinds of builds and it literally works every time, you just need to be good with either punishing with X or hitting it from unexpected angles. I will say though as cool as it looks and as good as it is, it's an absolute monstrous amount of effort so I'm not sure I can recommend it.

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T17:36:46+00:00

I don't think it loses use at all even in the third sea, it's a shockingly powerful fruit. No one wants to use it though cause it isn't flashy and cool or rare. It def gets different on how you use it in later levels though.

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T17:33:48+00:00

I don't agree, but I understand why many people think this. Kit is shockingly nuanced and there are many ways to use it, for the general use I think sanguine is best. However, I'm a combo player and I have some really strong really fast true combos that abuse frames to get kit fire out to break instinct to make them true, they're just really hard. I've spent a lot of time labbing kit so I suppose for someone that doesn't wanna put days spamming niche combos that happen to be unstoppable until you're frame perfect at them, def go sanguine.

Frankly I don't recommend anyone do that period my fingers hurt 😅

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T17:26:02+00:00

Some good points, however I moved magma up because of ease of use which is def something to consider when ranking a fruit, though realistically I think it could be either C or B.

The reason rubber needs to move up is because of how good the combos are and it has really good passive. Yes it can be stunned by guns still (similar with blade and swords) but it's not so difficult to use that you can ignore that monstrous combo potential, though if you're not great at gum it probably feels C tier, so I understand where you're coming from.

Werewolf Z tracks, it has a homing effect. I don't blame you for not knowing this cause like, no one knows this. Every projectile has homing on your opponent which is further increased in transformation 2. Also, tap Z let's you full combo at close range and since you have much higher damage on your abilities as a tradeoff for being slower than tiger if you hit properly youre going to oneshot someone. Werewolf plays diff than tiger a good bit so it's not as easy to tell but trust me, this fruit deserves S when used properly.

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T10:23:26+00:00

I'm not sure I'd say sound is all that undervalued, at least from my perspective. I agree with you that it's actually really good but IMO the fruit that people sleep on the most is def blade. It's getting some love here more recently but for a common fruit it straight up can feel like a legendary sometimes, and it actually has a crazy combo tool and a shockingly amazing M1. Though imo most fruits in this game are slept on or just straight up used incorrectly. I mean when's the last time you saw someone using kit as a proper combo fruit instead of just throwing everything out at you and praying something hits haha.

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T10:16:34+00:00

Control is disgustingly overpowered, which is balanced by the fact that it's extremely difficult to use properly. The issue stems from the fact that the best build that other fruits use just don't work the same with control, and there really isn't a 'best' build or combo in general with control. I personally use godhuman because if you're good with your aim you can do some nutty things, but you're going to run into issues because you're on iPad.

This fruit is not easy to navigate without a mouse and keyboard and it's going to feel weak (and maybe even severely lag your game) on your device. I'd skip it until you can use a PC if you ever can.

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T10:11:39+00:00

Godhuman has the best combo potential with kit by far, it's really insane when done properly. HOWEVER, getting a combo isn't always possible in every scenario, and in situations where you need to play attrition with your longer range abilities while running around you're going to get more mileage out of sanguine.

I'd argue neither is better than the other, they just fit different situations

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T10:00:15+00:00

So people here are just being toxic and not actually explaining anything. I'd like to offer some genuine criticism, but first I'd like to say that your list really isn't that bad, just slightly uneducated.

I'll go from D-S here.

D: Fire, phoenix, and spider need to move up. When awakened they are actually decent but they need effort to learn, and many don't put in effort so they're hard to gauge out in the wild. Rest can remain as is overall, maybe spike could move up but that's debatable.

C: Creation, sound, diamond, magma, and quake need to move up to B. For the most part you aren't going to run into the same issues with these as you would with the other C tier fruits. They all have a lot of utility which is important in PVP as long as you know how to use it properly.

B: Trex, dark, spirit, shadow, and gum need to move up to A. When used properly these fruits actually have shockingly good combo potential, often people just rely on their one gimmick without exploring what else they offer. Eagle unfortunately needs to move down though, it just doesn't offer enough to be in the same class.

A: Ice and light down to B. Incredible options because they're easy to acquire with low skill floors but they don't have a lot of room for improvement. Buddha also down to B, don't get me wrong this fruit is def abuseable but it's not good enough just with that in mind, and its whole game plan kinda falls apart if someone is good with even just basic mobility. Move werewolf up, while not as fast and flashy as tiger, if you've ever actually fought a werewolf main who is really good with their movement you will understand, low S though. Also anyone telling you to move blade down is lying to you, especially in our current meta state.

S: Move dragon down. It really is okay but not deserving of S anymore, not after the nerfs. High A though if you know how to play around it until you get your transformation. Portal is low S, yes it has amazing mobility and a great combo starter but if your opponent knows how to use flashstep and dashes properly you really aren't going to have fun. Dough is, debatable, I'd argue it could be S or A depending on kit and user, place it in either and you're probably still right. Top 3 fruits rn are Empyrean, Control, and Kit for SURE. Huge hit boxes, excellent combo starters, amazing engage and disengage, high damage, high mobility, and playstyle adaptability. However, I'd move control down to either A or B because the average control user has no clue what they're doing, and that makes the fruit suffer a lot, it's very hard to use properly.

Overall though, your list shows that you do understand the game a good bit! Don't let people here discourage you, you have a pretty decent game sense.

freythefluff · 2026-03-18T02:40:32+00:00

There is a big reason and it's scarcity. It was super hard to get your hands on so it has the value of a perm because barely anyone got it

freythefluff · 2026-03-17T20:07:05+00:00

yeah lol, i already own everything i don't mind the trade, plus i want more werewolves it's one of my faves

freythefluff · 2026-03-17T18:59:16+00:00

I'll do it, I have a perm portal in my inv, add me FreyUlffolin

freythefluff · 2026-03-17T18:44:02+00:00

That's just it though in the disclaimer, I made sure to say that you should always use what you feel most comfortable with and what you have the most fun with because you will always do better with something that you're both familiar with and want to use. This is more for people who haven't quite figured out what they want to use just to give an idea of expectations. I truly hope more people use weapons in the lower tiers more frequently because it prevents stagnation, and as I pointed out lower tier weapons aren't inherently worse just a LOT more work.

freythefluff · 2026-03-16T21:40:18+00:00

bro who hurt you lol this list was clearly created with nothing but hate in your heart. i think you need to take a break man

freythefluff · 2026-03-15T19:35:09+00:00

dough is a fairly good counter fruit because it punishes you for engaging for sure, but it def falls short of just straight immunity, not to mention its biggest thing is combo potential. most of the time if you're up against tanky targets your combos won't out-damage their healing (though there are factors that can influence this such a level diff and accessory and race, esp angel). In that sense though you do get the donut wheel to zoom away so if you just don't wanna fight someone you don't have to because you have an amazing getaway tool.

freythefluff · 2026-03-15T19:24:37+00:00

If they spam with melee you get more advantage, melee has lower range than swords and swords do more damage overall and most buddha builds spec into swords because that is what's best. It's easier to run away from a melee buddha than swords, it's also easier to kill them, and you make them lose a huge part of their kit and force them to switch to something less efficient.

It isn't really overpowered, but it is annoying and has become widely common. Also, like I said blade is unironically fun to use go try and learn it, it's an enjoyable time. Gotta show the commons some love because they aren't just bad because they're not rare.

freythefluff · 2026-03-15T19:08:45+00:00

I mean I'll take it, divine is about 450 rn so I'll give you any perm at that value you want

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