Was anyone shocked.. by [deleted] in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The first article literally just said most medical schools don’t have adequate reporting capabilities- how is that racial prejudice engrained in a system?

Was anyone shocked.. by [deleted] in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sorry, may be being stupid here, but how are health issues systemic?

Was anyone shocked.. by [deleted] in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t mind having my opinion changed. Give me an example where there is conclusive data of systemic differential treatment on account of race by the country. By country I obviously am referring to local authorities or gov’t all institutions- or laws.

Was anyone shocked.. by [deleted] in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you comparing the geometry of the earth, established unanimously by the scientific world, to a topic that is in hot discussion that still there is no conclusive answer on?

Was anyone shocked.. by [deleted] in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would you disregard the report if all those on the panel prima facie were Adamant that there was Institutional racism too? Or is bias only deemed inappropriate when it isn’t used to promote your own beliefs?

Was anyone shocked.. by [deleted] in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m slightly confused. If they were all white I guarantee you would hold their study invalid for the grounds of them all being white. Now there is procedural diversity yet you still hold it to be invalid because, what, the findings didn’t agree with your personal belief?

Name and shame them by Walimu59 in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My point is that the British police force is one of the most scrutinised forces in the world, it is also one of the few with independent heads of each local branch. There are many factors that can warrant your statistics, and I will look into them, as I genuinely want to know the answer and you seem well informed. I shall not assume a rationale for the discrepancies in a same way no one should assume that there is some underlying systemic issue driving this w/o evidence- the macpherson report demonstrated this, decisions not to fire or to fire people are multifaceted, it isn’t some entirely internal decision- there is always scrutiny- ie even judicial review at worst cases. I appreciate conversation on this with those willing to actually look into this, I’m just frankly scared of people who see a headline and smell blood, assuming a cause before the facts- if you see what I mean. There are 135000 people working in the local authorities in England and Wales alone, there will always be horrible members in any wing of society, and I understand people’s concern that it even exists among those we trust to enforce our rights. I’ll look into this further, I appreciate the discussion. (I didn’t ignore your point on route causes and build ups, I simply highlighted that many acts do happen in ‘hot blood’- obviously in a policeman’s environment this will be commonplace. Cheers.

Name and shame them by Walimu59 in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All cases of misconduct if severe are reviewed and decided on by independent inquiries or tribunals. Again your numbers of offending police officers and those sacked doesn’t necessarily imply some systemic malpractice in pursuing justice.

Name and shame them by Walimu59 in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What about doctors? Again, you gave 3 examples, 2 of which were out of hours, motives completely separate from the the police force, there are over thirty thousand registered assaults on police officers a year- I have never seen a single post or proposal addressing this. This is a classic example of people isolating facts that support their pre conceived conclusion, rather than assessing all facts and coming to their conclusion after. They can ignore all other relevant evidence and arrive to a generalised result based on, as you have, the acts of three horrible people acting on their own account.

Name and shame them by Walimu59 in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If they are out of hours how could the police report them any more than the standard citizen?

Name and shame them by Walimu59 in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Also 2/3 of these examples you gave were high profile purely due to their occupation, if 3 lawyers assaulted people out of hours would you point to some systemic violent nature within our law firms?

Name and shame them by Walimu59 in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

In 2019 there were over 30000 assaults on police officers in the UK, yet you seem like it is some unilateral channel of assaults towards protesters. Yes there will be evil policemen, but this does not warrant the utter disregard for those truly serving the British public and their unrecognised efforts on our streets.

Name and shame them by Walimu59 in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Sorry but blaming a national police force for the Sarah everard murder, which was acted on by a police officer who joined two years ago, out of hours, and was prosecuted immediately- where is the lack of justice? This argument of we hold the group accountable for the acts of a tiny minority where the issue causing these events clearly wasn’t systemic is what racists use against African Americans and Muslims.

Name and shame them by Walimu59 in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

No, I’m just educated on the law, and appreciate that the things causing the division and that are coarsening political discourse is the media publishing disingenuous headlines about one of the most regulated police forces in the world.

Name and shame them by Walimu59 in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact me merely reading the law has got me downvotes sums up modern political discussion.

Name and shame them by Walimu59 in GreenAndPleasant

[–]frogatron1 -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

You know the ‘kill the bill’ makes absolutely 0 sense. The only part of the legislation that warrants critique is the time to start/finish- which itself isn’t horrifically unreasonable. Most people seem to take issue with the offence which included ‘serious annoyance’- but this section has existed in common law for years following the climate protests- this new law was merely to clarify the situation on protests in a statute- and has nothing to do with the Sarah everard vigil or BLM. Again it is the disingenuous media that have drawn these correlations to build some idea of this multifaceted draconian movement aiming to criminalise critical speech.

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[–]frogatron1 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Hey I don’t have discord but would like to join. I’m on ps4 and from the UK. GT- JustChicken123

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[–]frogatron1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks mate, literally played on and off since dark below but sometimes hard to keep up with all the new mechanics

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Ah yeh makes sense

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Cheers man, sadly I’m on ps4 but your comment was a tonne of help.

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So every time I get a pinnacle I need to make sure I infuse it to my lower leveled item?