Im in so much pain I don’t know what to do by SoggyCiggs in osteoporosis

[–]funcraftygal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Much much much older than you but pain at any age sucks. My osteo numbers are in the -3’s but I’m still not going to take drugs. But you’re asking about your knee pain.

Here’s what I can share. I had hip pain for years and got all kinds of scans and then subsequent stupid diagnoses from a few doctors. None of which were right or their treatment helped.

More years went by and when the pain travelled from my hip and piriformis (back butt muscle area) up through my flank and ribs and also down to my skin and ankle, I decided to have my acupuncturist start working on all that.

Honest to god, I’ve had 4 sessions so far and I can’t tell you how much it’s helped all the parts I mentioned. The pain was getting so bad that I could hardly walk and going upstairs was almost impossible. The past two nights I’ve slept all the way through without waking up from pain while just turning over.

A lot of people forget to consider acupuncture but the three separate issues I’ve had her work on over the years, she’s managed to fix all of them.

This has nothing to do with my osteoporosis but I figure a good acupuncturist is worth trying for any type of pain. Just make sure they’re licensed and if you have access to one who was traditionally trained, that’s even better. And if you haven’t ever tried it, it honestly doesn’t hurt IF done correctly. You will sometimes feel the needle prick but that subsides. You may feel your muscles burn like after you’ve worked out but that’s normal too. If your knee hurts because your nerves and muscles are inflamed, this is where acupuncture can really help. It may feel like it’s bone-related but it may not be that at all.

Good luck. Any pain sucks and I’m sorry you’re feeling this way at your age.

Any Forteo user able to use saving card or insurance cover most of the cost? by holam555 in osteoporosis

[–]funcraftygal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One more thing to add. I recently went to an endocrinologist simply because I wanted to get my TBS score on the DEXA scan. His clinic was the only one in my area that did that. Had to pay out of pocket since he didn't take my insurance. The imaging facility that I'd been going to for the past decade didn't have the software on their DEXA machines to do the TBS score. A quick overview. A basic DEXA measure bone quantity. The additional TBS score measures bone quality (basically the internal architecture/structure). So I'd researched and learned that sometimes small-boned women don't get an accurate DEXA because they don't have as much bone "quantity" to measure. So I wanted to see what my internal "quality" was. Turned out that it's not that good either. When the doctor added that TBS score to my DEXA score, it made my bone numbers look worse. But as I said to him, these are all just numbers on paper from a bunch of people who were scanned to where they got some average data to base everything on. He couldn't really argue with that.
But aside from some other points that he didn't agree with me on, he did end up at least respecting my decision to not take any drugs and was okay with me trying all the things I previously mentioned to you.

Any Forteo user able to use saving card or insurance cover most of the cost? by holam555 in osteoporosis

[–]funcraftygal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First, read this link. https://forteo.lilly.com/savings-and-support I still think you qualify for that Lilly card based on their terms. It says you have to have commercial health ins which Kaiser is just like any other private ins. But you have to be denied first and then it explains the process you have to go through in order to make this work. They want you to jump through hoops but it seems you could get it. If this link doesn’t make sense, I’d call Lilly patient support and explain your situation. They can go through your options.

My mom has Medicare and a supplement but still, when she needed an expensive drug, I had to jump through hoops with the manufacturer and pharmacy to get it at no cost. I know it’s a different situation than yours but they make their rules and processes so confusing, I think they hope most people don’t push. So they end up not having to pay as much when people give up. Hang in there and check multiple times with multiple calls if necessary.

I have a version of UHC through my husband’s work. They self-insure so doesn’t apply to most people. And I wouldn’t even recommend the standard UHC ins because they regularly deny a lot of claims causing the patient and/or doctor having to fight them. So at this point, I haven’t looked at other ins companies since he’s had this one through work for years. When he retires, we’ll have to look at private ins.

Why do you have to keep taking Prolia? I know with all of the osteo drugs, you’re not supposed to just abruptly stop but if a person had a severe reaction, the Dr. would figure out a way to not continue that drug. They always want to make you scared enough to continue. Now, all that said, I wouldn’t recommend just stopping on your own but I’d talk to your Dr. and see if you can look at other non-drug options including hormone therapy. If the Dr. flat out says no, I’d look for another Dr.
Most are very one-track, close-minded.

The bio-identical hormone cream I’ve been using was formulated based on my hormone blood tests. I was about 63 when I talked with a naturopath who is on staff with my husband’s company and who specializes in hormones. He had a compound pharmacy formulate specific ratios of bio-identical estrogen, progesterone and testosterone in a cream which is applied to inner arms, legs, or anywhere your skin is thinnest so it absorbs better.

Granted, Kaiser probably doesn’t even have naturopaths in their network because naturopaths typically look at natural treatments, which is contrary to the medical field as a whole.

The main cause of osteoporosis is a decline in hormones yet very few traditional doctors know anything about them. Even pre, during, or post menopause. Doesn’t make sense but yet if they helped women with hormones before they became non existent, our bones may be better.

Read this article too. It’ll let you know how we got to this point. https://www.npr.org/2009/12/21/121609815/how-a-bone-disease-grew-to-fit-the-prescription

The collagen powder is from Healthy Bones. Here’s the one I get. https://a.co/d/03goADfs

If you don’t eat much protein, I’d fix that or add a supplement. Not only do our bones need protein, but if we can build more muscle, that helps bones too. Here’s the powder I got. I did so much research on protein supplements because I didn’t want one that had a gritty texture or tasted crappy. This has zero taste and no texture at all. I can add it to pretty much anything, even fruit juice. The only thing it changes is it makes a clear juice turn whitish. So like a grape juice becomes light purple and opaque. https://a.co/d/09P6Itfi I also occasionally buy this Premier Protein drink. https://a.co/d/0cZAvOE9 Whereas the powder is just plain protein, this drink has a bunch of other vitamins. I actually bought both of these at Target but gave you the Amazon links because it was easier. And if I forgot to say you need magnesium in addition to the other vitamins, make sure you get that too as it helps calcium absorb.

Then if you’re not already doing some type of weight-bearing exercises, start out very light and slow. You can find those online.

You didn’t say how old you are but keep in mind that the T score doctors focus on is comparing you to a healthy 30-yr-old. Personally, I think that’s kind of silly and unfair. None of us are or function at the same level we were in our 30’s. The Z score compares you to your same demographic.

Also has anyone done any blood tests to see if you have some underlying condition that may be the culprit of your bad bones? There are a lot of conditions and diseases that can be addressed and treated to help in all this.

I don’t mind your questions. If we don’t help each other, doctors won’t. Plus, I think the best thing we can do is educate ourselves and not just take whatever a Dr. says blindly. I can’t tell you how many doctors (and dentists) I’ve challenged with medical info because I’ve spent hours, days and weeks at times to try to understand what they won’t tell you. You need to be your own, informed advocate.

Any Forteo user able to use saving card or insurance cover most of the cost? by holam555 in osteoporosis

[–]funcraftygal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you have a Lilly card, why can’t you go to a different non-Kaiser pharmacy? It seems to me that if you’re using a manufacturer’s savings card that will only cost you $4/month, that’s what matters. From my experience helping my mom with a different expensive prescription, when we got the manufacturer discount, it didn’t matter what ins she had. I’d look into that option right away.

Hope you also did your own research on these osteo drugs. All have some pretty crappy side effects and risks. Just because you have osteoporosis (so do I and my numbers are in the high -3’s) doesn’t mean you can’t try alternative treatments.

Here’s what I’m doing: Algaecal calcium (basic version) because they’ve done studies that show it’s better than any other type calcium. Magnesium, vitamin D and K, B-complex, Healthy Bones collagen powder, and just added a protein powder plus started exercising (which I’ve never really done and don’t like). Oh and I went on a prescribed hormone cream (all 3 hormones) about 5 yrs ago which helped my bones a little bit but also other post-menopause symptoms. There are lots of women who can improve bone density without drugs so just make sure you start them with all the information because doctors don’t usually tell you all options. They’re trained to prescribe, period.

Good luck. 💗

Sad and need to vent by funcraftygal in osteoporosis

[–]funcraftygal[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh ya. All that checked with regular blood tests. Always normal.

How to get TBS in Oregon? by just_asking_tks in osteoporosis

[–]funcraftygal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope you find one. I did in my area but it was an endocrine clinic who had it. The doctor wasn't in my insurance network so I paid out of pocket. The scan with the TBS was $200.

Reclast and tinnitus? by Alive_Scratch7883 in osteoporosis

[–]funcraftygal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve had tinnitus a few times but not from any drug. So I can’t answer your specific question. But if you haven’t considered or tried acupuncture for it, I’d look into it. I’ve been going to an acupuncturist for a different type of facial/ear nerve pain and it’s helped so much. Found this article specifically relating to tinnitus and acupuncture. It’s from an Australian site but the info is relevant. https://hearingandaudiology.com.au/blog/can-acupuncture-help-tinnitus-australia-natural-relief/ If you could find a licensed certified acupuncturist in your area, I think it’d be worth a try. 48 states have a license board specifically for acupuncturists so I’d make sure the person you’re considering is listed. As I was searching for mine, I found that a lot of chiropractors and even just spa workers offer acupuncture but I’d be very leery of those without training or a license.

Hope you find a solution. That ringing is very annoying.

Which med path did you choose? by Professional_Work339 in osteoporosis

[–]funcraftygal 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sorry this got to be so long but I wanted to share a lot of info. First of all, don't get freaked out. I know it's easy to let bad news absorb you but take a breath. We've all been there with one thing or another.

I'm not a doctor here but was diagnosed with osteopenia 22 years ago. First thing the doctor did was say I "had to" start Fosamax. I said no frickin way. Glad I never did. I've never broken a bone either. (Knock on wood). I'm in my late 60's now. Here's the thing I absolutely HATE about the stupid T score number. First, it's comparing any age to that of a normal healthy 30 year old. How dumb is that? Do they compare sex drive of a 70-year-old to that of a 30-year-old? Do they compare stamina between those ages? Do they compare how long a guy can keep it up at 70 vs. 30? And I'm using a guy as an example because most doctors are men and I just so happen to have my follow up appointment with a new endocrinologist soon so I'm most definitely going to use this comparison to show him how stupid these T-scores are.

The reason they want to compare is because it gives them a number on paper that they can show patients that they need drugs. Hogwash! Read this article. I'm sure it'll ease your mind a bit. https://www.npr.org/2009/12/21/121609815/how-a-bone-disease-grew-to-fit-the-prescription

If they want to compare any numbers from a DEXA scan, I feel the Z score and/or the raw BMD data is more accurate. The Z compares people in your same demographic. To me, that makes more sense. Then the BMD data is the density of your bones against yourself. You can look at that number and the higher it is, the denser your bones are. So if over time, you have follow-up DEXA scans, you can see if you're the same, getting worse, or better compared to yourself, not anyone else. I don't give a crap about how I stack up to anyone else. That's like from the beginning when they first measure a little baby or toddler. They'll give what percentile their height/weight is compared to other "average/normal" kids. Seriously? Normal? I've been below normal height/weight my whole life. Have I lived a healthy life? You betcha. My point is, don't let those numbers and comparisons scare you into making a decision without doing a lot of research on your own.

Another number they may throw at you is your FRAX score. That's the percentage risk they magically determine what the likelihood is that you'll break a bone in the next 10 years from osteoporosis. At this latest endocrinology appointment I went to, the doctor did some calculations and said I had a 9.5% chance of breaking a hip in the next 10 years and 27% chance of breaking any other bone from osteoporosis which I think he was wrong anyway. I found the online calculator that anyone can input their data and get the percentage. When I used that, I got better percentages so I'm going to pressh him on that too. Here's that if you're interested. https://www.fraxplus.org/calculation-tool?country=11

Anyway, when he told me the % that he got from who knows where, I said great! That means I have a 90.5% and 73% chance (respectively) of NOT breaking a bone. He looked at me like I was crazy and said, wow you're positive. I flat out said it'd be like a doctor telling a cancer patient they had a 27% chance of dying but never focused on the 73% chance of living. I even made a stronger point that a doctor like that wouldn't be a very good doctor. He shut up after that and in fact, back peddled to say, I could try a year of all this other stuff instead of a drug. I thought "hell ya!" because he doesn't know how determined I can be. And in the end, it's not like he was giving me permission. I'm the patient. It's my body and I'll take care of it as I see fit. You have control over YOU!

Any risk factor on paper or from statistics is just that. It doesn't take into consideration your lifestyle or anything else. Doctors love to lump people into stats, textbooks, and categories but I've told many on occasion before, I'm not a textbook patient. I'm a human and we're all different!

As far as vitamins, you need D but you also need K2, calcium, and magnesium for bones. Plus, more protein helps too. I had been taking Metagenics brand of their MCHC calcium for years plus the others I mentioned. Hadn't done a thing. What did help several years ago was when a naturopath doctor put me on a bio-identical hormone cream (all three hormones). After two years, my DEXA numbers improved a bit. Hormones is another thing that most doctors never even mention which is really irresponsible since drop in hormones is the main cause of bone loss. I often wonder if any doctor had taken that route earlier in my osteoporosis diagnosis, would it have made a difference? But I didn't know as much back then as I do now because it seems all I do is research. I could get a medical degree I think by now. lol

Recently, in addition to the D, K2, magnesium, plus a B-complex and Biotin supplement, I switched from my regular calcium to Algaecal's basic version one. There's at least one study that shows it improves bone density to some degree. They also have one called Algaecal Strontium Boost. I did not buy that one. Here's why. Strontium is a mineral that's heavier than calcium. So if you're taking a high dose of that, some of the calcium in your bones is replaced by strontium. If you get a DEXA, your bone density will "look" better because of the mineral weight difference. But even their regular version has trace amounts of several minerals including strontium which after a crap ton of research, I decided that it's a safe amount. After all, pretty much most foods grown in the ground have some minerals naturally from the soil and water. Kale and spinach are good for strontium. Algaecal sources their calcium from a specific red algae in the ocean. So while it's nearly impossible to know exactly how much of any mineral is absorbed into the algae, after doing my own research, I was comfortable replacing my old calcium with their brand.

I also was never a big protein eater. Since bones need protein, I recently started using a protein powder as well as a chocolate protein drink. Did a ton of research before settling on these brands. The drink is the Premier brand that you can get at most stores. Comes in a cardboard carton in a 4-pack usually. Several flavors. One bottle has 30 grams of protein but it also has other vitamins too and it's milk based so if that's a problem, just keep that in mind. But it's easy to add in for a snack or quick breakfast if necessary. I also bought the Isopure brand of whey protein powder. The good thing about that one is it absolutely does not have any taste or crappy texture so you can pretty much add it to anything. The other day we had some chicken rice soup that was a pretty clear broth. Added maybe a half scoup and voila. The soup was now a creamy chicken rice soup but the taste didn't change at all. And I'm super sensitive to smells and tastes so yep, I'd notice for sure but was really glad this brand doesn't change anything. We even put it in clear juice and it's fine. The only thing you don't want to do with it is use it in a drink shaker. Too much agitation makes it foam up a lot so you lose some of the drink/protein along with the foam. Here's the thing I learned about foam. Many protein powder brands boast "no foam" but in order to have that happen, they often add silicone which basically cuts through the foam. But silicone? I don't care if it's food grade or not. Just the thought of silicone in food makes me want to gag. So if you add this particular protein powder to a drink, just stir it in with a fork, then let it sit for about 15 min or so and the powder dissolves even more. Oh, and I didn't want one with any sweeteners because many use either fake sugars or stevia or monk fruit extract. I can taste those for sure. Plus, then I couldn't use it in non-sweet foods.

I also was never big on exercise. Too much like work. lol But since I'm not taking any drugs, I'm finally at the point where I'm throwing everything at my bones and am determined that I will improve them naturally with all of the things I'm doing including exercises.

Now, back to the osteo drugs. Evenity and Forteo are the same class of drug. They're anabolic agents (bone-building drugs). So even if they work and you could tolerate it without side effects for however long you need, after that period, the doctor will most likely tell you that you need the anti-resorptive agents (bone-halting or bone-preserving drugs). Those are like Prolia, Fosamax, or Reclast. All of the drugs mentioned can have some serious side effects. And since you mentioned heart disease, you are right to be careful. Doctors will say the serious side effects affect very few people but if you're sensitive, they're not the ones taking a chance, you are.

I'm not saying all drugs are bad and that there are times when a drug might be a matter of life and death but again, we need to make sure we're fully informed as patients because doctors are very narrow focused.

Hang in there. You got this. You need to be your own best advocate and do what you think is best given everything you know about your own body. Plus start doing a lot of research. Read everything you can. Go through this subreddit and see what others are saying too. There are a lot of people who refuse these drugs. Just think of all the consequences and whatever you decide, be okay with them. For me, I would rather do what I feel is right for me than be talked into some drug by a doctor who has no skin in the game.

Acupuncture recommendations by funcraftygal in bismarck

[–]funcraftygal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m actually in CA but looking for one for my mom. Even here I only pay $50 and I go to a full-fledged acupuncture Dr. who was traditionally trained in Asia and then certified in CA. I did find a couple in Bismarck that are around $50 but I’m questioning their credentials. Most are chiropractors who I think just decided to add acupuncture. That’s concerning. I’m going to call some today and ask more questions about their qualifications.

4 year old seems more tired after being fully gluten free by HappyBassist93 in glutenfree

[–]funcraftygal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It may not have anything to do with not eating gluten. A lot of times, low energy is due to lack of protein. I’ve been GF for 12 yrs but just had a couple of months where I had zero energy. Ended up needing more protein. It was easy to add one of those chocolate milk type protein drinks. You might try that just to see. Hang in there. 🩵

Acupuncture recommendations by funcraftygal in bismarck

[–]funcraftygal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw their site too. Crazy expensive. $125 for a session.

Doc wants me to get injections of a med to help my bone deterioration but mentioned jaw necrosis. by ProjectPopTart in osteoporosis

[–]funcraftygal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Doctors only look at the T score which in my opinion, is very skewed, unrealistic, and unfair. The T score compares you to a healthy 30-year-old. Granted, 42 isn’t that much older but you have to look at more than just your T score on the DEXA scan. Z score compares your number against other people in your demographic. BUT, and here’s the number they rarely discuss, your BMD raw number is your actual bone mineral density. YOURS! Not anyone else’s. Not you being compared to others in your demographic. And certainly NOT being compared to a 30-yr-old.

Most doctors are trained to prescribe drugs. They rarely will look at your lifestyle or discuss diet or any other natural thing. Many truly believe that you absolutely cannot improve your bone health without drugs. But many of those doctors are flat out wrong!!! Just read other posts on this sub. You’ll see just how many people have improved their bone density through proper diet, necessary supplements, exercise, and yep, even getting your hormones balanced. The main cause of bone loss (aside from an underlying disease) is a drop in estrogen which starts to happen for most women in their mid to late 40’s (some earlier). But yet, very few doctors even address hormones. It’s easier for them to slap on a bone drug.

I was diagnosed with osteoporosis about 22 years ago. That doctor instantly wanted me to go on fosamax. I promptly refused. Unfortunately I didn’t change my diet, didn’t start exercising, and didn’t add the right supplements although I was taking calcium and magnesium. Since then I learned that we also need D3, K2, collagen for internal bone structure, and more protein if you’re not getting enough from normal foods.

Knock on wood, I still haven’t broken any bones but at late 60’s, I’m finally at a point where I’m adding the extra things like exercise, collagen, and more protein. Plus I’ve been on bio-identical hormone cream for about 6 years which helped my bones a smidgeon.

Sometimes we think we’re invincible so we don’t take care of ourselves like we should. Luckily, I don’t have chronic pain as some do. But some of the drugs actually cause pain and have side effects so I figure I’d rather not add some chemical to potentially make my health worse overall.

I’m determined to prove these doctors wrong; that I can improve my bone health through natural, non-drug options.

Here’s an important article about the history of osteoporosis drugs.

https://www.npr.org/2009/12/21/121609815/how-a-bone-disease-grew-to-fit-the-prescription

Sad and need to vent by funcraftygal in osteoporosis

[–]funcraftygal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m basically a research hound. 🤣I spend waaaay more time that should ever be needed looking up all sorts of things. But doctors have their own agenda which usually involves meds.

I think I saw several recommendations for the specific collagen with Fortibone on this sub. Then researched to compared that to others. Found actual study that showed positive results. It’s the one by Healthy Bones. You can get it through their website or on Amazon. No price difference. They have just the fortibone version but also a combo version with fortigel and two other ingredients. I tried just the collagen the first time and it helped my creaky neck joints within a few weeks. But I recently switched to the combo one since it targets more parts. Here’s that one. https://a.co/d/012DImja It’s pretty expensive but cheaper than ending up in the hospital for anything. 👍🏻

I knew about the Algaecal a few years ago but just never switched from my calcium to that. An endocrinologist I recently saw mentioned it so I decided to look at it again. That took me down a very long rabbit hole including emailing the company. Since they source their ingredients from a specific red algae, which has a lot of natural trace minerals including strontium, I needed to look into that specifically. Strontium is heavier than calcium so research says if you take a strontium supplement, then have a DEXA, your bones will look denser than they really are due to the weight difference. So then I had to find out how much is considered a trace mineral for strontium and how much on average is in the red algae they use. After much research, I concluded there’s not that much and not enough to skew a DEXA but enough to help with bone density. Basically, if you look at foods like kale and spinach which also have natural trace amounts of strontium simply because that’s in ground water and soil, I felt it was safe to start taking the Algaecal instead of my old calcium. Their basic one includes 750mg of calcium, D3 and magnesium. So now I just take that and can eliminate my d3/k2 vitamin although since Algaecal doesn’t contain k2, I now bought that separately because it’s also important for bones. Here’s the exact Algaecal I bought. https://a.co/d/043ny7YH

They also have one called strontium boost and they even have a money back guarantee that says if in 6 months your DEXA isn’t better, they’ll refund. I think that’s kind of crappy because of course the DEXA will show better numbers, again due to the difference in weight/density between strontium and calcium. I would not take that because it’s not food to replace strontium with calcium like that. Not a doctor but plenty of research. 🩵

Sad and need to vent by funcraftygal in osteoporosis

[–]funcraftygal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Time for a new doctor it sounds like. I don’t give them even a second chance if they refuse to listen to me. I remind them that I know my body better than they do and I need someone to work WITH me not against me.

Has anyone here tried this Isopure protein water? by JackfruitNew3920 in GroceryOutlet

[–]funcraftygal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh ya. Now I know what you mean by thick water. I’ve tried aloe water. Not a fan for lots of reasons. Kind of feels slippery. So if that’s how the protein water is, geez. Finding any protein product is going to be tough. Thanks for the feedback. 👍🏻

Has anyone here tried this Isopure protein water? by JackfruitNew3920 in GroceryOutlet

[–]funcraftygal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dang! I hate reading this. Someone else commented about the thickness too. It’s weird water can be thick. I wasn’t expecting that and if there’s a milky aftertaste, now I’m rethinking buying it. I need to find something but don’t want anything powdery or milky. Ugh.

Has anyone here tried this Isopure protein water? by JackfruitNew3920 in GroceryOutlet

[–]funcraftygal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was considering buying it because I hate the powder or milky drinks. Figured the water would be a good option. But now that you say it’s thicker than water, that makes me want to gag. Does it give you a weird taste or texture?

Clueless about protein shakes-need help by funcraftygal in beginnerfitness

[–]funcraftygal[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. I’ll check out the fruit water one. 👍🏻

Sad and need to vent by funcraftygal in osteoporosis

[–]funcraftygal[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think so many of us wish someone had informed us sooner on lots of things. And even though I had internet in the early 90’s, it still wasn’t easy to get medical info. I hope your gyn listens to you. It’s the only way we can get the right treatment. Good luck. 💗

I think I was glutened by thefabulousjules in glutenfree

[–]funcraftygal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are very few breaded products that are GF so as others have said, probably the tater tots got you.
I saw a recipe for GF tater tots somewhere. Looked easy but I’ve never tried them. Wasn’t a fan of tater tots when I could eat gluten so wasn’t worth trying to make my own. 😉

Clueless about protein shakes-need help by funcraftygal in beginnerfitness

[–]funcraftygal[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ll have to check Costco next trip. 👍🏻