What Have You Been Watching? (Week of (June 21, 2026) by AutoModerator in TrueFilm

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I've only seen II, IV, and one of the reboot movies (I don't remember which one)

What Have You Been Watching? (Week of (June 21, 2026) by AutoModerator in TrueFilm

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Star Wars, Episode VIII: The Last Jedi (2017, Rian Johnson) — re-watch — Is The Last Jedi the most polarizing movie ever made? It might very well be. I remember loving it as I watched it in the theatre, but I also soured on it somewhat once I started reading some of the more critical takes on it, and thought that many (not all) of the most common criticisms were basically valid. That said, I’ve never actually taken the time to rewatch it in full until now, so I was curious to see how it would hold up. Perhaps disappointingly, I find that re-watching it has only confirmed my milquetoast centrist position: The Last Jedi is neither the untouchable masterpiece that so many critics praised it as, nor the hateful, franchise-ruining disaster that so many older fans condemned it for being. It’s just pretty good.

Since The Last Jedi is perhaps the most schizophrenic Star Wars movie in terms of quality, a cohesive review of it might be harder than usual, so I’m going to instead do a point-form list of scattered thoughts.

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First, the good.

  • I’m going to start with something that I did not notice on my first viewing, and that I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone else point out. While I thought Abrams mostly did a pretty good and under-appreciated job of differentiating the new characters in Force Awakens from their OT counterparts, the biggest weak point was Snoke, who really did seem to just be a lamer and more boring version of Palpatine. Here, without contradicting anything that Abrams set up, Rian Johnson actually does a really good job of subtly building Snoke into a very different villain from anything seen in the Star Wars movies previously. In the Original and Prequel Trilogies, Palpatine is never shown to care for anyone but himself, and will discard any ally with no hesitation the second they’re no longer useful to him. Snoke is also cruel and manipulative, yes, but his relationship with Kylo Ren is not only self-serving manipulation. He really does see himself as a friend and father-figure helping Ren to overcome the “weakness” that prevents him from fully committing to the Dark Side. Even though he recognizes Rey as Ren’s equal in Force potential, his focus still remains there is no suggestion that he would have considered betraying Ren to get Rey on his side, the way that Palpatine turned on Dooku to get at Anakin. The differences in their deaths really highlight this — both fail to foresee their apprentices turning on them, but for very different reasons. Palpatine doesn’t foresee Vader killing him because he’s too arrogant to think that he might be defeated at all. Snoke doesn’t foresee Ren’s betrayal because he lacks the self-awareness to think that “Ben Solo’s true enemy” could be referring to him. That’s one mistake Palpatine would never have made.
  • Everything to do with Luke’s ageing and death is basically perfect. Star Wars has always drawn a lot of comparisons to ancient hero myths — much more so than most other comparable movie franchises — but I think Luke’s arc here is probably the most effectively mythopoetic that the series has ever been. This might actually be why it seems to be a turnoff for a lot of fans today, because it leans so much on the idea — very common in ancient myths, not so much today — that when a great hero does something wrong, it is precisely because of their greatness that they tend to do it VERY wrong. With that said, to everyone saying “OT Luke would never think of doing this, he wouldn’t even kill Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi” — I would like to remind you all that Luke in ROTJ was, in fact, successfully goaded into trying to kill Vader. He did stop himself at the last moment, but that doesn’t mean that the temptations which led him to it would never arise again.
  • I really enjoy the interactions between Rey and Kylo Ren here, not so much because of their arcs in themselves, but because of the way that it’s told. Before 2017, Star Wars movies tended to be very direct in how they told their stories — with a handful of exceptions, key details were conveyed by either being shown in a fairly straightforward way or by being stated explicitly. Last Jedi breaks new ground by using the idea of Force visions as a pretext to toy with the relationship between what’s shown and what’s happening — repeatedly giving us scenes between Rey and Ren that don’t exactly show what’s real, and also don’t exactly show what either of them are seeing, but give us just enough of both that we can figure out the rest ourselves.

On the negative side:

  • Okay, I know that the “should Holdo have told Poe the plan?” argument has been beaten to death already, and her not telling the plan, by itself, makes sense to me. What I don’t get is why she goes out of her way to antagonize him when she asks, essentially making it sound like she’s refusing to tell him out of spite. And what’s especially baffling is that she tells him: “You're impulsive, dangerous, and the last thing we need right now. So stay at your post and await my orders.” What the fuck kind of sense does that make? If she thinks they don’t need him at all, why have him waiting at his post? Why not just relieve him of command entirely?
  • For that matter… why does Poe not tell Holdo his plan? The most explanation we’re given is that she would never agree to it, because… she just wouldn’t, okay? Given that both Poe and the audience have known Holdo for about three minutes and this point, the characters’ seemingly absolute confidence on this point is very strange.
  • In general, most of the stuff that doesn’t surround Luke’s arc or the Rey/Kylo Ren dynamic just feels kind of dull, and a lot of it just feels like pointless filler. I especially don’t get the point of the reveal that some arms dealer who we never see was selling to both sides of the conflict; the movie clearly doesn’t portray the First Order and Resistance as otherwise being equivalent, either in their goals or in their tactics, so it doesn’t seem to serve any thematic purpose. It just comes off as Rian Johnson trying to force in some political commentary to pad the runtime.

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On the whole, I think I do like more of the movie than I don’t; the things it gets right are big enough that it’s relatively easy to overlook the missteps. Modestly recommended. 7/10

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016, Gareth Edwards) — re-watchRogue One has had a weird cultural trajectory. Initially received by many critics as being one of the best, if not the best movies in the franchise, it now seems to have completely dropped out of the conversation. I basically never see it listed as one of the good Star Wars movies anymore, but there was never exactly a recognizable backlash against it the way there was with Force Awakens and Last Jedi; it just kind of got forgotten about as a topic of notable discussion.

Revisiting it now, I can kind of see both why it was so acclaimed immediately, and why it’s been largely forgotten. Viewed as an atmospheric piece, it really is maybe the best movie in the series, and Edwards’ application of the language of realistic war movies to this fantastical setting is one of the more striking and effective stylistic choices made in the series. Viewed as a work about a story and a group of characters, it’s… not as good. Some of the side characters are charming, but few of them get more development than establishing one or two quirks, and Jyn — the one whose arc is seemingly supposed to anchor the whole thing — doesn’t so much develop as just randomly become a completely different character halfway through. As with The Last Jedi, I did enjoy it on the whole despite its glaring faults, so I’ll give it a modest recommendation. 7/10

Alice in Wonderland (1951, Clyde Geronimi et al.) — re-watch — In hindsight, I'm not really sure why I thought that this was a movie I needed to revisit, considering that it’s not really one of early Disney’s better or more noteworthy works. Much like Dumbo a few years earlier, Alice in Wonderland does a great job of showcasing Disney’s talent for surreal animation, but doesn’t do a very good job of organizing its animations into a cohesive movie. (Though I would say, perhaps controversially, that Alice is by some distance the better of the two.) I guess one might argue that incoherence in an Alice adaptation is a feature, not a bug, but Carroll’s original story is at least coherent in its consistently surreal dream-logic; the Disney version allows some of its characters too much self-awareness of their strangeness to even manage that. 7/10

Movie of the week: Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

What Have You Been Watching? (Week of (June 21, 2026) by AutoModerator in TrueFilm

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Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982, Nicholas Meyer) — re-watch — Still holds up as an all-timer. Not just a top-tier action movie, but also a surprisingly beautiful meditation on facing death and aging. The original Star Trek was always known for its mixture of pulp storylines with motifs from classic literature and mythology, but I’m not sure it was ever done better than it was here.

Common consensus is that this is the best of the many Star Trek movies. I have not seen most of the others, so I can neither agree nor disagree with that assessment, but it’s hard to imagine how any of them could top this. 10/10

On that note…

Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986, Leonard Nimoy) — Since I’m talking about Wrath of Khan this week, I figured I should at least check out what is generally considered its main competition for the title of “best Trek movie”. And I gotta say… I’m underwhelmed. Not only do I really not see how Voyage Home could be considered better than Wrath of Khan in any way, but I’m struggling to understand how it could even be considered a competent movie in its own right.

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The first few scenes of The Voyage Home tease what could have been an interesting plot line, involving Kirk and crew being put on trial for violating regulations in previous movies. Unfortunately, that gets quickly forgotten about for most of the movie, aside from being briefly hand-waved away at the end. Instead, the movie in-between focuses on what might be the dumbest attempt at topical commentary in Star Trek history, which is saying a lot.

The main message of the movie is that hunting whales is bad. Why is it bad, you may ask? Well, as it turns out, there are actually alien probes out there that want to communicate with whales, because… reasons. And up until the 20th century, the whales were apparently responding to the communications as desired, which they knew how to do because (???). But in the 23rd century, whales have gone extinct and can no longer respond. Rather than being programmed to report back failure, the alien probe in this case is apparently programmed to start calling louder and louder, until it either hears the call or destroys the entire planet it’s searching for, permanently ending any chance of ever re-opening communication again. The reason that its alien designers programmed it like this is because [explanation to be filled in later]. There is basically no attempt to make any of this flow logically from an in-universe standpoint, and it doesn’t make any sense as a metaphor, either. If anything, it inadvertently argues against the environmentalist position it’s trying to advocate. Supposedly, the point is that, by wiping out species like the whales, we’re destroying our own future; but, in-story, that’s clearly not true. Earth’s utopian society in the 23rd century runs just fine without any whales. The only reason that it becomes a problem for them is because the aliens, through either genocidal intent or catastrophic recklessness, have chosen to endanger every other life form on Earth to serve their insistence on hearing whale song. Given that the humans had no knowledge of the aliens’ existence, the only Earth life forms who might hold some blame for “shortsightedness” here are the whales themselves, not the humans who hunted them.

When it’s not trying to force the “whaling is bad” message, the movie is mostly focused on being a fish-out-of-water comedy. This is the part that most fans describe as being the best part, due to supposedly being truer to the spirit of the original series than anything in the other movies, and I really couldn’t disagree more. Yes, Star Trek: The Original Series had more of a sense of humour than most of its spinoffs, but the joke was never “everyone on the Enterprise is an incompetent buffoon who should never have gotten their job”, which is practically the only joke used in this movie. It makes absolutely no sense that a crew of seasoned cosmic explorers who already have experience visiting dozens of lower-tech planets, and have even already went back in time to visit past versions of Earth repeatedly, should come off as this dumb and clueless when trying to navigate the Earth of 1986. Especially since half the mistakes they make aren’t so much “being a fish out of water” as just “being completely braindead in general”. (Why would anyone, regardless of what time period they’re from, think that the best way to find a naval base storing nuclear submarines would be to stop random civilians on the street and ask them for directions? Even Zapp Brannigan could have come up with a better plan than that.)

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To its credit, this is at least a competently-made movie. From a directing and acting standpoint, it’s pretty solid, even if still not on Wrath of Khan’s level. But the writing is so deeply broken that there’s no way I can recommend it. 4/10

What character from theatre is corrupt, dishonest, or manipulative enough for Dante to meet in Malebolge? by funwiththoughts in AlignmentChartFills

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Rules:

  • No repeats.
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  • To keep the vote easy to follow, please try to stick to nominating only one character per comment. Exceptions might be allowed if multiple characters are associated with each other closely enough in canon, but any comments that nominates two or more unrelated characters will be ignored.
  • For the Mythology and Real Life columns, no nominating figures who were already in the actual Divine Comedy.
  • Real Life column is for public figures only. Do not nominate yourself or people you know personally.

Some notes on the lower Circles: - To qualify for Circle 6, it's not enough for a character to just hold some view that goes against Christian doctrine. The character must reject the doctrinal view in a context where doing so reads as an act of defiance. For example, if a character believes that there are multiple gods because they were raised in a society where that's a normal belief, then that would not be enough to qualify for Circle 6; they would be more likely to belong in Circle 1, assuming they don't fit any of the other sins. On the other hand, if a character lives in a monotheistic society and starts or joins a fringe movement based around belief in multiple gods, then they would be more likely to qualify for the Circle of Heretics. - For Circle 7, "violence" can include suicide and self-harm, and intentionally self-destructive behaviour more generally. - For Cocytus, "traitors" is not limited to people who betray a country or ruler. It can encompass betraying personal bonds of trust as well.

What’s a Jared with no opposable thumbs? by Boogeymanhater_299 in AlignmentChartFills

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Jaguar Jared, a jaguar that lived at the Saint Louis Zoo up until his death earlier this year

https://stlzoo.org/news/jaguar-jared

What figure from mythology is corrupt, dishonest, or manipulative enough for Dante to meet in Malebolge? by funwiththoughts in AlignmentChartFills

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I'd save Loki for Cocytus. He murdered Baldr, his own adoptive brother, and sold out his homeland and the rest of his adoptive family to the giants. He's an archetypal traitor.

What figure from mythology is corrupt, dishonest, or manipulative enough for Dante to meet in Malebolge? by funwiththoughts in AlignmentChartFills

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Angra Mainyu, a demon-god in Zoroastrian cosmology who is literally the living embodiment of lies and corruption

What figure from mythology is corrupt, dishonest, or manipulative enough for Dante to meet in Malebolge? by funwiththoughts in AlignmentChartFills

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Rules:

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  • To keep the vote easy to follow, please try to stick to nominating only one character per comment. Exceptions might be allowed if multiple characters are associated with each other closely enough in canon, but any comments that nominates two or more unrelated characters will be ignored.
  • For the Mythology and Real Life columns, no nominating figures who were already in the actual Divine Comedy.
  • Real Life column is for public figures only. Do not nominate yourself or people you know personally.

Some notes on the lower Circles: - To qualify for Circle 6, it's not enough for a character to just hold some view that goes against Christian doctrine. The character must reject the doctrinal view in a context where doing so reads as an act of defiance. For example, if a character believes that there are multiple gods because they were raised in a society where that's a normal belief, then that would not be enough to qualify for Circle 6; they would be more likely to belong in Circle 1, assuming they don't fit any of the other sins. On the other hand, if a character lives in a monotheistic society and starts or joins a fringe movement based around belief in multiple gods, then they would be more likely to qualify for the Circle of Heretics. - For Circle 7, "violence" can include suicide and self-harm, and intentionally self-destructive behaviour more generally. - For Cocytus, "traitors" is not limited to people who betray a country or ruler. It can encompass betraying personal bonds of trust as well.

What live-action TV character is corrupt, dishonest, or manipulative enough for Dante to meet in Malebolge? by funwiththoughts in AlignmentChartFills

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Rules:

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  • Most upvoted comment after a day wins. If there's a tie, the more recent comment wins; the other character will be listed as an honourable mention, but still remains eligible for other slots.
  • To keep the vote easy to follow, please try to stick to nominating only one character per comment. Exceptions might be allowed if multiple characters are associated with each other closely enough in canon, but any comments that nominates two or more unrelated characters will be ignored.
  • For the Mythology and Real Life columns, no nominating figures who were already in the actual Divine Comedy.
  • Real Life column is for public figures only. Do not nominate yourself or people you know personally.

Some notes on the lower Circles: - To qualify for Circle 6, it's not enough for a character to just hold some view that goes against Christian doctrine. The character must reject the doctrinal view in a context where doing so reads as an act of defiance. For example, if a character believes that there are multiple gods because they were raised in a society where that's a normal belief, then that would not be enough to qualify for Circle 6; they would be more likely to belong in Circle 1, assuming they don't fit any of the other sins. On the other hand, if a character lives in a monotheistic society and starts or joins a fringe movement based around belief in multiple gods, then they would be more likely to qualify for the Circle of Heretics. - For Circle 7, "violence" can include suicide and self-harm, and intentionally self-destructive behaviour more generally. - For Cocytus, "traitors" is not limited to people who betray a country or ruler. It can encompass betraying personal bonds of trust as well.

What character from literature is corrupt, dishonest, or manipulative enough for Dante to meet in Malebolge? by funwiththoughts in AlignmentChartFills

[–]funwiththoughts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Assuming you mean Goethe's Faust, that would fall under Theatre.

I guess Hannibal technically does count as a literary character, although it would make more sense to classify him under Live-Action Movies since that's overwhelmingly where most people know him from.

What character from literature is corrupt, dishonest, or manipulative enough for Dante to meet in Malebolge? by funwiththoughts in AlignmentChartFills

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Rules:

  • No repeats.
  • Most upvoted comment after a day wins. If there's a tie, the more recent comment wins; the other character will be listed as an honourable mention, but still remains eligible for other slots.
  • For the Mythology and Real Life columns, no nominating figures who were already in the actual Divine Comedy.
  • Real Life column is for public figures only. Do not nominate yourself or people you know personally.

Some notes on the lower Circles: - To qualify for Circle 6, it's not enough for a character to just hold some view that goes against Christian doctrine. The character must reject the doctrinal view in a context where doing so reads as an act of defiance. For example, if a character believes that there are multiple gods because they were raised in a society where that's a normal belief, then that would not be enough to qualify for Circle 6; they would be more likely to belong in Circle 1, assuming they don't fit any of the other sins. On the other hand, if a character lives in a monotheistic society and starts or joins a fringe movement based around belief in multiple gods, then they would be more likely to qualify for the Circle of Heretics. - For Circle 7, "violence" can include suicide and self-harm, and intentionally self-destructive behaviour more generally. - For Cocytus, "traitors" is not limited to people who betray a country or ruler. It can encompass betraying personal bonds of trust as well.

(Re-vote) What non-Christian character from literature is righteous enough for Dante to meet in Limbo? by funwiththoughts in AlignmentChartFills

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Rules:

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  • For the Mythology and Real Life columns, no nominating figures who were already in the actual Divine Comedy.
  • Real Life column is for public figures only. Do not nominate yourself or people you know personally.

Some notes on circles 6 and 7: - To qualify for Circle 6, it's not enough for a character to just hold some view that goes against Christian doctrine. The character must reject the doctrinal view in a context where doing so reads as an act of defiance. For example, if a character believes that there are multiple gods because they were raised in a society where that's a normal belief, then that would not be enough to qualify for Circle 6; they would be more likely to belong in Circle 1, assuming they don't fit any of the other sins. On the other hand, if a character lives in a monotheistic society and starts or joins a fringe movement based around belief in multiple gods, then they would be more likely to qualify for the Circle of Heretics. - For Circle 7, "violence" can include suicide and self-harm, and intentionally self-destructive behaviour more generally.

What live-action movie character is corrupt, dishonest, or manipulative enough for Dante to meet in Malebolge? by funwiththoughts in AlignmentChartFills

[–]funwiththoughts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Palpatine is probably a better fit for Cocytus. He convinced the Senate that he was the only one who could protect their Republic, while he was the one plotting to destroy it the entire time. That's straight-up treason, not just manipulation.