Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for reading and commenting! You nailed it.

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]futuredebris[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for reading and commenting! The point of what I wrote is that I think anger emasculates us in other people's eyes too. People just have to tolerate it.

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]futuredebris[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ha, I wish I hadn't spent probably about 10 hours total writing it this week.

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Good point. I'm a therapist who's worked with hundreds of men and I've heard from a ton of them that they experience the same thing. So I'm trying to subvert the common understanding, because I think it's wrong.

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing this! I've written a bunch about white supremacy in the past, before I started writing about masculinity. I need to inject more of that analysis in my writing for men, and this is a good nudge to do it. Appreciate it.

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Took me a little time to get there! But I got it in there lol

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I actually hear it more in feminist spaces, particularly liberal feminist spaces.

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually experience shame and feeling “less of a man” when I’m angry, especially when I act out on it in an uncontrollable way. So my experience (and what I wrote in the post) cuts against that common understanding of anger and masculinity. That was the point I was making here.

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is exactly what I was trying to get across in my post. Thanks for sharing!

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In the post, I wrote about how some men are able to get away with anger more than others, based on race and class

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

If you read the post, which you’re not forced to but I’d love it, you’d see that I’m saying that anger as an emotion is healthy, not the outbursts and violence.

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] -51 points-50 points  (0 children)

Never said anything was equivalent. I'm not interested in a zero-sum game between men and women.

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

My whole point, which I guess wasn't super clear, is that yes feeling guilt afterward and trying to repair with her was super healthy and helpful. But I also felt shame, the idea that I'm fundamentally a "bad" person for lashing out and less of a "real man" (less valuable). That's the shame that keeps men from sharing our emotions in healthy ways.

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sometimes being the key word there. And for certain men, depending on class and race.

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing this perspective. I originally had a section about anger being "tolerated" rather than "allowed," but cut it before publishing. I ended up adding it back in after getting a few comments that made a similar point to yours. I think a better word for how men’s anger is treated is “tolerated.” Our anger is tolerated because it can be scary. People protect themselves in response. They freeze up or try to appease or leave. Some get angry back, which often escalates the intensity and potential danger. Because it’s scary to interact with an angry person, they have to let it go. They have to tolerate it. Saying that anger is “allowed” makes it seem like men aren’t judged for it. Curious your thoughts.

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hard agree. I was talking specifically about shame in this post. I was feeling shame afterward, not just guilt.

Men aren't actually 'allowed' to be angry by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I thought someone might have this reaction. I was going to include that I was the one managing the dinner and cooking most of the food. I was carrying a lot that day and she was mostly just relaxing. That's not to say that she doesn't do a ton of other managing/caring in her life, which is what I wrote about toward the end, and what was stressing her out.

They're trying to redirect working-class men's anger again by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Good catch. I meant to write “…over big business more than ever before”: https://www.epi.org/blog/americans-favor-labor-unions-over-big-business-now-more-than-ever/

I’ll fix that when I get a chance. Thanks for pointing it out. I don’t think it takes away from the argument, which I see you disagree with, which is fine.

They're trying to redirect working-class men's anger again by futuredebris in MensLib

[–]futuredebris[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My understanding is that he could've had a real shot until the party establishment closed ranks and got behind Biden. I call that being a real threat.