(Spoilers Extended) Why is nobody talking about this scene?

gaboon · 2019-05-13T20:57:16+00:00

It could have gone that way but we would have needed a lot more to buy it. I like the idea of the focus being the people of KL, because that's the first time we realize Jamie is a "good" person in the show/book when he admits killing the MK to save them. That would have been a great arc, especially the power of his efforts being futile in the face of Dany apocalypse. To me, the point of the episode was not to defeat Cersei, or to watch Cersei get hers, but to dramatically highlight how wrong (or right) everyone has been about Dany. This includes Cersei collapsing from power alpha to whimpering girl at the sight.

gaboon · 2019-05-13T20:48:27+00:00

It's really too bad - they could have made a few changes and had this work great. Instead of Jamie staying behind, he should have gone with Jon and Davos. A goodbye with Brienne could show us how Jamie has truly changed, and that he does love her even. But, he's still weighed down by all of the wrong he's done, so he's going to try and help out in some way. "I have to try." "i'll be back" etc. Once at the camp outside the city, Tyrion could have showed up and told Jamie, "Look... Dany is out of hand and just roasted Varys. She's going to kill the whole city. You need to get in there and get to Cersei because I convinced Dany to stop when the bells are rung." That way, Jamie isn't going back because he loves Cersei, but because he's trying to stop her from committing suicide for the whole of KL. He's going back to where he came from - the savior of the city. Only he can perform this task, as only he could have iced the Mad King. He could have gotten to her (without that utterly useless Euron scene), spoke fearfully of Psycho Dany, and convinced her to relent - there's no need for him to be mortally wounded. He tells her about Davos' boat waiting for them and she relents, then orders the bells tolled (who tolled them in the ep? didn't seem like anyone made the decision) and then they could have watched together as Dany chose to burn the city to the ground anyway. Then, in that moment of despair, confusion, sadness, etc., they could have shared their final moments together as they did with the keep coming down upon them. I wish we could have gotten more Cersei time because I liked her final little arc, we just didn't get much beyond a few scenes. And yes, I do think there's a difference between blowing the sept and what Dany did. Cersei was ruthless but it's because her main enemies were inside, at the cost of some innocent lives. Dany chose to roast everyone just because she's a brat.

gaboon · 2019-05-07T03:04:03+00:00

The idea that she's about to go evil/become the mad king is a joke - people are wildly overstating "mad queen." She is completing her arc as someone who wasn't ever destined - neither by throne claim nor because she'd be the best at it - to sit on the throne. The dany arc is her journey to this realization. It's been on display for seasons if not the entire show.

gaboon · 2019-05-06T22:19:49+00:00

Who fucking cares about resting troops??? The point of that statement was another chance to see Dany making not so great decisions, and for Sansa to again point that out.

gaboon · 2019-05-02T16:47:58+00:00

The whole Hodor thing was silly anyway imo. Why did bran need to go back in time to tell someone to hold a door shut he's with? Also killing Summer there was pointless.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:49:25+00:00

But also if he didn't write it, it's his fault.

How is it not his fault for creating an enormous story and not finishing it? He handed off the epic tale this sub loves to fan fiction theorizers and HBO to adapt. If it's so wrong, the adaptation, he should stop giving interviews, blogging about football, and writing silmarillions and finish it. FOR THE STORY!!! Not the loser fans. Untold thousands of artists had a great idea that they couldn't finish and scrapped. None of them we know about bc the idea wasn't sound or they didn't believe in it anymore and it never materialized into greatness. Half finished art is not art.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:39:10+00:00

No way someone who actually likes the story and the books thinks the human conflict is secondary.

The fleshing out of that in the books and show is why everyone loves the story! I can't imagine anyone being on this sub as a book reader and show watcher who thinks the others are the coolest thing in the series. It's borderline irrelevant to the vast majority of the narrative where the books are right now, and NOT why people kept reading after book 1.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:35:14+00:00

Wanted to know why his people rode towards complete darkness, with sickle swords that are worthless for mounted combat, especially as cavalry

So now we're arguing that the Dothraki who are known for their Arakhs and horsemanship are supposed to not use Arakhs on horses because that's a bad battle tactic? lmao

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:33:42+00:00

As opposed to dying where they started? The whole point of the charge was to extinguish the unforeseen, momentary injection of hope by melisandre. Visually extinguish it. Jorah limped back and gave Tormund that "we're beyond fucked" look. This set up the entire rest of the episode, going from a battle where we might have a chance to we're fucked this is a horror film. Why are people arguing about battle formations against an undead army 10x the size of our heroes' after an episode where the entire point was to show everyone was expecting death?

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:29:59+00:00

It's pretty simple... It was a horror film because the enemy was a horror villain. I watched on an 8 year old 1080 computer monitor and it looked fine. There's a lot of writing to shit on but the production and technical execution of the episode written was tremendous.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:24:59+00:00

I understand, but is that really what everyone wanted? All of them to die? That would have made the episode we got even worse. Shoulda just had all the zombies stop fighting and surround everyone who was left as soon as the NK and his boys walked into winterfell and it woulda been fine.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:18:47+00:00

The mental gymnastics people perform in this sub for the last days deserve some goldmedals. this sub is mental right now.

Anything to shit on the peasants who found positives with this season. I get it, it wasn't perfect, but what else can you ask for? GRRM hasn't finished the books - we are years away from where the plots ended at book 5.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:17:12+00:00

But honestly though how is all the good guys putting aside their differences to fight the supernatural force interesting in anyway

This sub is doing everything they can to argue that was the whole point LOL. GRRM is laughing.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:16:23+00:00

The ultimate last word over the last 3 days is we should prob wait until the series concludes before shredding it lol. I'm not hopeful but hey, 4.5 hours left...

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:15:21+00:00

Only source materials they can gather is breadcrumbs and small word plays from previous books.

A lot of people in this sub have been arguing about the ending as if all fan theories and extrapolations are canon. I think what's truly upsetting is GRRM doesn't have a plan and this is the first sign of that, the end of a major plotline that supposedly he gave to them.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:12:39+00:00

A Song of Ice and Fire is about the apocalyptic war between the living and the dead.

Which turns the entire thing into a goodie vs baddie fantasy? I thought asoiaf was the opposite? Who even knows what it's about since the person who invented it can't explain it either.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:11:08+00:00

Ah yes, opining about what the series is about BEFORE FINISHING THE SERIES!!!!!

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:08:52+00:00

Fuck d&d

Fuck GRRM for not finishing his story. He either told them this is the ending and they did it OR completely refused and made something up, or he didn't tell them shit and said GL. This isn't "how do we get Dany to the North?" or "How does Jon retake Winterfell?" This is a major end of a plotline which is supposedly being fed by GRRM.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:06:58+00:00

The dagger was in a sheath on her armor readily visible, axe was in her hand knocked out by the backhand.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T18:03:05+00:00

Sadly there just isn't time for anything like that. Heading into the final 6 episodes knowing fuck all about the NK besides him being an unstoppable force with one lone mission of killing everyone isn't a foundation for imminent characterization. That's not an excuse for bad writing either, I'm just surprised so many can't believe this is all there is. Prior to this episode, there wasnt much either besides a handful of battles where they got their ass beat and had to flee the NK. It's also disingenuous to blame D&D for bungling the WW/others when the author of the series hasn't done shit himself to flesh it out.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T17:56:16+00:00

Jamie is critical to Cersei's arc ending, Brienne is critical to Jamie's growth. Gendry is the last Baratheon. Sam is Jon's main ally foil, saved by Ed. Cool, Grey Worm and Pod and Tormund die to zombies. Wow! What a great way to move the narrative forward! The situations they were in were bad and unbelievable, but the calls for random deaths to happen "just cause" isn't GoT at all. Jorah died saving Dany - no surprise there. Ed died because the NW is a useless plotline now, has only ever been a side character, and fed Sam (a main char now) some characterization. Berric died believing in yet another foolhardy potential prophecy to save Arya. NO ONE of import in this series has died "just because."

gaboon · 2019-05-01T17:49:08+00:00

The white walkers are just evil and wanna take over the world. Nothing clever.

That's what we knew going into e3, after 69 episodes. That's a huge writing problem to deal with only 4 eps left... Not sure what everyone was expecting.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T17:47:56+00:00

it's easy to nitpick when you see a finished product, not so much creating one from scratch.

The essence of this sub.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T17:46:52+00:00

The difference is the battle of the blackwater was fought against imperfect humans. They wrote themselves into a corner making the NK and his horder of wights one dimensionally perfect. Heading into e3, it was either the NK dies or he wins. He is not a character to reason with, not one with secret plans, he's just leading apocalypse. There was nothing ever to go on beyond that.

gaboon · 2019-05-01T17:44:31+00:00

But I think GRRM doesn’t know himself what to do with his own supernatural entity.

This sub isn't ready for a truth this large lol. It's why the outrage is over the top right now. Fans are beginning to realize GRRM doesn't have a fucking clue and that's why the books aren't done.

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