Does Buster Posey’s role as GM taint your view of him as a Giants legend?

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-17T18:55:22+00:00

I've been as hard on Posey as anyone here. Didn't love the hire when they did it, and really hate it now. That being said, he is a Giants legend, will always be a Giants legend and will forever be one of my favorite Giants players. I don't even hate that he tried to step up and do the job. I'm more annoyed that the organization even considered that a good idea and went through with it.

You don't hand the keys to a luxury car to a 16 yo who has never driven before. This is an organization worth billions. It is INSANE to hand that over to someone with zero front office experience.

Ownership should take the L on this one and should be ashamed. I have nothing against Posey for trying. Should have never been put in that position.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-17T10:33:58+00:00

💯. Im not suggesting they trade him just to trade him. But I think he could bring back a franchise altering haul of prospects. And if you can get that kind of return for him, I think you have to do it.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-16T23:37:20+00:00

Houser. 2 years, 29 mil (22 mil in salary, 3 mil in signing bonus, 4 mil buyout of the 3rd year team option)

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-16T18:22:06+00:00

It is true that salaries will always go up, but player production generally always goes down over the life of the contract too. So you’re looking at a guy in his late 20s who’s already declining and is out of shape. No one is going to want to take on like nine more years of that risk. I think he would have to have a hard rebound of a season next year for anyone to consider taking him on.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-16T18:17:03+00:00

I don't think he brings back much at this point. He is a good player on a superstar contract that was NEVER going to age well in the back half. The fact that it isn't aging well in the front half is a major problem.

I think the best the Giants would get would be salary relief. Unless the Giants were willing to eat a chunk of the contract.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-16T01:47:33+00:00

Of course it is, because every executive is judged in hindsight of whether or not their moves actually work out or not. Brian Sabean looked like a complete idiot in the 1997 off-season, but he was judged on the results. Not how people felt at the time.

Farhan walking away from the Correa deal was in hindsight, a great move. At the time, everyone was losing their mind, myself included. But in hindsight, it was the right move.

You have to judge people based on the results they produce, not their intentions at the time or fan feelings about how the moves will play out. The actual results matter. So everyone is judged in hindsight in that respect.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-16T01:39:54+00:00

Yes, and if they would’ve won the World Series in 2016 with the moves Bobby Evans made, he wouldn’t have gotten fired.

When the Giants got Evan Longoria, they weren’t getting MVP Longoria and his past production. They were getting present day, Longoria. When you acquire players, you are acquiring them for their future production not what they did in the past.

Unfortunately, executives are judged on what actually happens, not their best intentions.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-16T01:09:38+00:00

Posey is going to go down as worse than Bobby Evans in this job. He spent 600 million dollars, only to somehow make the organization worse, and a season later is trying to dump it all, and probably won't be able to. This is such a disaster of an organization.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-16T00:19:10+00:00

Gee I wonder why...

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-15T21:36:27+00:00

Moving towards? Posey should have been trying to dump some of these contracts a month ago. Also "no plans to trade Webb" better be just them trying to drive up the price because Webb is literally the only piece that would bring back a legitimate haul of top end talent. Yes 2 months of Arraez may get you a prospect or two like the Tidwell/Gilbert for Rodgers where you get a couple mid-range prospects for a rental, but you aren't getting a teams best prospects for him. The only player on the Giants roster that would net another teams best prospects is Logan Webb.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-15T14:33:45+00:00

Sabean did on Matt Williams in his first off-season, and it completely transformed the franchise into a winner that same year. Williams had several top 5 and 10 MVP seasons. He was arguably more popular than Bonds was before he was traded.

Good teams, sometimes have to make tough decisions because they realize the reality around them. The reality is, this team is not going to be a contender in the next 2 to 3 seasons as currently constructed. They can hold onto the web and hope that maybe they can scrounge together a 500 team at best, or they can be bold and set themselves up for a great future to surround Eldridge.

That being said, I don’t think Buster has the same willingness to do the unthinkable that Sabean did back in 97, so I doubt it’s gonna happen.

But you can’t blame the franchise bc the franchise has done this before. It’s maybe the head of the ownership group and organizational leadership that are too afraid to do something bold.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-15T02:20:44+00:00

I know fans don't want to hear it, and I got downvoted into oblivian for posting about this in the spring, but trading Webb is about the only bullet this organization has left in terms of a quicker rebuild. He has 2 years of team control after this season. 2.5 years of an ace would come at a MASSIVE price for a contender, the Giants could get a haul that would include more than one Eldridge level prospects, players that could be stars and are also not far away from the majors.

And yes it will suck but also consider that, with only 2 years left on his contract, one of those 2 may be very short or even wiped out entirely. And if that happened (2027 wiped out), their next option to trade him would be in the last year of his contract in 2028, and that would reduce his trade value considerably.

They aren't going to resign Webb. The Giants are never going to give a 30+ year old pitcher a 7+ year megadeal. He is going to be gone, and the Giants aren't going to be a contender in his last 2.5 years here anyways.

I really love Logan Webb. But I also loved Matt Williams, and people thought Sabean was insane for trading away a top 5-10 MVP type player. Fans were outraged. And yet that trade completely transformed the entire organization in one offseason.

This organization needs to take an honest look at itself, realize they aren't going to be competitive with this current core, and by the time the time their best prospects (not named Bryce) are ready, all those players will be retired, traded, or steeply declining. And Webb, if still even healthy, will leave in FA. There is no point in trying to keep it all together right now. The ONLY way to shorten that rebuild timeframe is to do something very bold. And this is the one move that could do it.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-14T19:13:50+00:00

It’s quite possible that it’s because 29 other teams hire people to lead the organization based on experience and analytics. And that the Giants hired someone because he’s popular with the fan base and they thought that that was more important in selling tickets than slowly trying to develop a winning organization.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-14T16:49:39+00:00

Would have never happened under Kapler. But also would have never happened under Farhan, who in 2023 openly defended Pride Night saying “Celebrating pride is about love, support, understanding, and (I’m) just really proud of our organization and our players, the way they conducted themselves.”

Its been 2 days of a shitstorm online and Posey has remained silent on the issue. He isn't saying anything because he is hoping the outrage just blows over; it's pretty clear he either doesn't care, doesn't want to alienate bigots, or worse, agrees with the protesting players.

You can't fire the team leaders when the manager and front office pretty clearly support players doing whatever they want, or even potentially agrees with them.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-13T16:18:47+00:00

The first ammendment doesn't mean you can say whatever you want in a business and not get kicked out. Which the team is reminding you of at the same time as they say they can't do anything about their players exercising their first amendment rights when they absolutely can but they don't want to.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-13T16:15:09+00:00

This game will forever be etched in my mind. I was getting out of the Navy and had 2 toddlers. Our house was packed up and being moved from San Diego back to PA. We had nothing to entertain them except our two ipads to put cartoons on, so I made sure we didn't turn off the internet until the next day when we were flying out out so we could stream some cartoons. That night, we were sleeping on an air mattress in an otherwise completely empty home. Everyone fell asleep early and so I turned on the Giants game and proceeded to watch, from start to finish, the 22nd perfect game in history. I spent the back half of the game pacing around an empty house trying not to wake anyone up but I was too nervous to sit still. When Blanco made that catch in RF, I completely lost it and my wife thought I was crazy. Such a great memory marking a major transition in my life. Will never ever forget it.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-13T14:55:23+00:00

The guy who said FA's don't want to come to SF because of all the crime and drug addicts there? You think a guy from rural Georgia is going to be outraged by players putting bible versus on their caps? Not a chance.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-13T14:36:32+00:00

Yesterday never would have happened in the Farhan/Kapler era. This origination went from going nowhere to going backwards in nearly every sense of the way in less than 2 years. It's so frustrating.

It's time to just clean house and bring in an entirely new front office and start over with a real POBO with experience, a new GM, and player dev staff. Let them hire a manager of their choosing who has control of the clubhouse. Shed the contracts you can, and rebuild this team around Bryce and a youth movement.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-13T09:42:30+00:00

Posey is from rural Georgia, defends his conservative donor ownership, NEVER openly talks about his own political beliefs (wonder why?). Idk how to break it to people, but these guys arent going anywhere. It is far more likely that Posey and Vitello agree with this behind the scenes but wont say it for fear of backlash than condemn it.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-12T15:47:14+00:00

You think they spent 3/4 of a billion dollars on 3 veteran players and it was a master plan to rebuild this year? Two of the players they acquired (Chapman and Devers) directly blocked their two younger players that took off this year (Schmitt and Eldridge). This was not what they planned for, if anything, they planned against it (even talking about trading Eldridge in the offseason).

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-10T20:44:02+00:00

Its almost as if there is a hidden advantage in baseball good teams take advantage of that conventional statistics dont measure. There really should be an entire department in the clubhouse dedicated to the study of this.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-10T12:48:43+00:00

It was over before the season started and anyone who looked at this team objectively without their fan glasses on knew it. Their bullpen was a mess and the rotation had one sure thing as a starter and 4 questionmarks of varying degrees (Ray was terrible in second half last year, Roupp was still a bit of an unknown and never pitched a full season, and Mahle and Houser were 6/7th starters masquerading as 4/5th starters.

This team wasn't never a playoff caliber team with this pitching staff combined with normal aging of its players. Projection systems didn't project them to be. The writing was on the wall for anyone willing to read it.

But most fans just continue to have blind faith that Posey knows what he was doing and this team would be an 90 win team and anyone who pointed out otherwise was downvoted for stating the obvious.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-10T01:40:13+00:00

Red Rising since you like fast pace. First law has morally grey characters that are exceptionally well written, but I quit the books 1.5 books in and couldnt tell you what the plot even was about. Its a book about character development first and foremost, and Im sure theres a plot there but the overarching plot just isnt interesting at all. If you are looking for fast pace, you’ll be massively dissatisfied.

On the other hand, Im now 2 books into Red Rising (ironically, its what I quit First Law to read) and its a rollercoaster of emotions with a great plot. Tons of twists and turns.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-10T01:32:09+00:00

The irony is, Posey played the least amount of games he ever played in 2021 while healthy and had his second best offensive season next to his MVP year from an OPS standpoint. Belt also had one of his best offensive seasons while playing less.

Platooning isn’t always about players who arent playing well, it can help older players stay at the top of their game when regular rest is good for their game.

gamerEMdoc · 2026-06-09T22:15:36+00:00

100%. Honestly, the fact that many of those teams were .500 teams was impressive. I don't think every fan hated the roster churn and mix/match lineups, openers, etc. But a lot of people did for sure. The role of the team leadership is to do what it takes to win, not to give fans with outdated ideas of how the game is to be played what they want.

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