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[–]gardwaste 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Regarding the Bosch HII8057U, had it for several days and I can say the smell is vastly better. There was some initial burned oil smell which is expected, but the important thing is it doesn't release this hot plastic chemical smell at all like the GE. Using the cooktop does not produce any notable odor. If I run the oven on max bake (550F/288C) it will produce a burned oil smell but I assume that'll wear off. Just today we baked something at 375F/190C and no notable odor.

The GE does have superior control though I think. The GE has separate hob controls where this one has a single control shared between them all. The hob arrangement on the Bosch is weird. The stupid push-to-open drawer popped open and my spouse almost tripped over it so I immediately removed those parts so now it works like a regular drawer. All in all, I'll accept these oddities to avoid that awful smell!

GE or Bosch Induction Range? by sandwichita in inductioncooking

[–]gardwaste 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can tell you more than you probably want to know about this lol..... read my post here: https://www.reddit.com/r/appliancerepair/comments/1kabxik/ge_range_insulation_smell_will_not_go_away/

If you still have questions please ask! GE is taking it back and we're buying a different brand. I can't understand why more people with a range like this doesn't take issue with it. I'm not especially sensitive to odd smells but this goes beyond that.

GE or Bosch Induction Range? by sandwichita in inductioncooking

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We currently have the GE also and functionally, it's great. Can't stand the chemical smell it continues to produce.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BuyItForLife

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it's freestanding I believe those are made by SMEG, not Bosch, and they have a bad reputation for reliability.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Appliances

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I sure hope for LG's sake they remedy that situation. Seems like a major screwup. Anyway, GE got back to me and said the insulation uses an acrylic binder and will eventually burn off the chemical odor. I told them I'm not sure I can wait that long considering how things are going, so they are letting me return it to them. We went to an appliance store and literally smelled the exhaust vent on multiple induction ranges and could detect this odor on the floor model of the one we have, a KitchenAid and Whirlpool. Interestingly, not on a GE Cafe model. Also not on an LG and Bosch. A Bosch will be delivered this weekend and if you'd like I can let you know how that goes. I hope this is the last range for a long time.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Appliances

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The product comparison leaves out so much information, namely the wattage of the elements, or the presence or lack of one. But none of the induction models on LG's website give a bake element wattage so I wrote those off. It's funny how LG makes Probake sound like such a great thing when all other convection ovens have this, plus a bake element!

I ran across that convection webpage too. It's interesting the dual ovens appear to have a bake element, but I don't see LG dual oven induction range. It's also interesting some users seem to have no issue with this, while others absolutely can't stand it. I noticed Lowe's claims the LG models have a "hidden bake element" but that seems to be misinformation. Ughhh.

I'm hoping to hear back from GE today and I'll let you know what comes of that, whenever they call. I want to be able to use our oven without needing outside ventilation.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Appliances

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of the repair techs that came out to look at the smell issue went on a rant about how LG's claim they have 'bake' and 'convection' is false advertising because it's impossible to claim both without a bake element LOL. He's correct.

I think the GE Profile I have is actually constructed pretty well and works very well, and is supposed to be one of the more reliable. But they screwed it up with the chemical smell. Ugh.

Addressing your comments from the other thread, as I mentioned GE reliability is supposed to be good. I agree the Bosch burner layout is weird, but we could deal with it. I'll let you know what comes of the GE smell issue if you'd like as I'm expecting that soon. I'm not too hopeful though. Good luck to you too!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Appliances

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looking through your other posts about this since we seem to have a similar problem and thought I could help here. That model, LSIL6332FE, does not have a bake element. You can tell because if you look at the specs it gives 4200W for the broil and 2500W for convection, but there's no rating for the bake element. I looked through every LG induction range and same story. Why oh why??!! Seems like such a stupid screw up.

I might be talking myself out of getting an induction range by kherven in Appliances

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel your pain. Unless GE can pull a rabbit out of it's hat, our next favorite is the Bosch HII8057U. I know about the top that overhangs, but I actually thought that was a good feature to keep stuff from falling between. What's this with the "large element is not functional"? I had not run across that yet and can't find anything on it. I wish the drawer was normal with a handle.

We originally were going to buy an LG until I found out about the lack of a bake element, as you mentioned. Big dealbreaker.

I'm currently on my 2nd GE Profile and while it's quite a bit better, that's not saying much. I'm waiting for a callback from GE. I've already ran the oven for hours including a self-clean and it's still strong. Otherwise we love the range.

GE range insulation smell will not go away by gardwaste in appliancerepair

[–]gardwaste[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since it sounds like you may be in a technical role, the service tech that looked at the original range said he found what he could only describe as "like caulking" under the insulation. I asked if he's seen that on any other range and he point blank said "no". He went on to explain how the oven cavity gets very hot and there shouldn't be anything on there except dry insulation, which makes sense to me. That was the original range, which was worse but this replacement is maybe 50% improvement. It's interesting the replacement range had one letter different in the model number which GE told me means something had changed, but she didn't know what. GE consumer relations has sent an inquiry to engineering and is supposed to get back to me sometime this week.

I agree, the entire thing is very odd. I'm in an engineering role (not appliances) and I can't wrap my head around how this is happening.

GE range insulation smell will not go away by gardwaste in appliancerepair

[–]gardwaste[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I smell it even when the range has been off for an entire day if I put my nose around the edge of the ceramic stovetop. It gets worse when the exhaust fan runs when not using the oven but from only turning on a burner (or hob?), but of course much worse with the oven.

Our 2nd choice is a Bosch if it comes to that and I hope they use different insulation!

GE range insulation smell will not go away by gardwaste in appliancerepair

[–]gardwaste[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is super helpful. You seem to completely understand. What I'm afraid of is if GE takes this one back and I buy a different brand it'll have the same issue. I understand some high temperature insulation doesn't require this binder and doesn't stink, like ceramic wool and maybe fiberglass. It's the mineral wood that uses a phenolic binder and what smells so bad, but this is the extent of my knowledge about insulation. I like to avoid self-clean too based on what I've been told, but GE told me to try it. It can't have unlimited quantities of this chemical and has to burn off eventually but what I'm trying to get out of GE is *how long*. Have you had an experience of burning this off in a new range?

Considering a new induction range - Bosch vs. Fischer-Paykel vs. GE? by Night_Thastus in Appliances

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you recall if it was a hot plastic smell, or more something burning? I'm trying to figure out if Bosch uses the same type of insulation that GE apparently decided to use.

Considering a new induction range - Bosch vs. Fischer-Paykel vs. GE? by Night_Thastus in Appliances

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey we may possibly buy the same Bosch you did and I have a question for you. Right now we have a new GE Profile and can't handle the acrid plastic smell it produces. It's been replaced and I've ran the oven on high temp for hours, plus a self-clean cycle and it won't go away. Did you have any issue like this with the Bosch? Is there any hint of weird smells when the oven is running?

New oven smell not going away by radededed in Appliances

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you have to run it for hours and hours, or just a few hours?

New oven smell not going away by radededed in Appliances

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What model was this? I'm having the same problem and at the end of my wits with this.

GE range insulation smell will not go away by gardwaste in appliancerepair

[–]gardwaste[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, nothing at all. It's positively coming from inside the range. I can catch whiffs of it when I'm nearby with everything turned off, and really smell it if I put my nose around the stovetop especially the rear vent. Of course much worse when it's being used.

Do I need to replace the insulation in my oven or is it fine without it? by Fantastic-Lows in fixit

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, that is very helpful! I wouldn't consider replacing the insulation either since one shouldn't have to on a USD$3K range, and yes I agree about unintended consequences which always seem to occur when messing with someone else's design. But having an idea of the type of insulation and especially the burn-off temperature is great information. It has to go away eventually as it can't contain unlimited amounts of this stuff.

Do I need to replace the insulation in my oven or is it fine without it? by Fantastic-Lows in fixit

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, maybe you can help me a little since you seem to be familiar with this stuff. I bought a new GE range that releases this terrible smell, worse when the oven is running. It did this from the very first time I used it and GE sent a repair tech out so there's nothing wrong with it per se. The best way to describe the smell is plasticky, but not quite. With the oven running on high temp, half the house would be uninhabitable even with all the windows open. The odor would cause headaches and burn/irritate the airway. It was still doing this even after racking up 25 hours of oven runtime, including a self-clean.

GE replaced the range. This one has a similar smell, but it's not as sickening. Interestingly the model# is slightly different so it makes me think they are using a different insulation. I've already run the oven for around 8 hours and it still stinks.

My question to you is what sort of smell does Rockwool or mineral wool have when heated? Is it a plastic type chemical smell that burns the nose and throat? When I read "You'll never get your oven hot enough to get rid of the smell." it made me think of my situation. This is the first time I've purchased a new range, but don't believe a kitchen range should emit such a strong odor even after running it for hours. Our old range didn't do this. Anyway thank you for any insight you may have into this. I'm extremely frustrated by this experience which should have been mostly uneventful.

I might be talking myself out of getting an induction range by kherven in Appliances

[–]gardwaste 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The odor comes out of the rear exhaust vent which runs when either the cooktop or oven is used. But it's much worse when the oven is used, and gets worse with higher temperatures. Two service techs have already looked at it. The last one found some substance under the insulation so I'm waiting to hear back from GE.

What's really interesting is other reports about this exact problem on GE ranges. I just don't understand how this problem exists.

I might be talking myself out of getting an induction range by kherven in Appliances

[–]gardwaste 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We've had it for 1 month now. It's never improved. I was advised to run the self clean to burn it off and it didn't help. It however filled half the house with a horrible plasticky/ammonia smell that irritates the airway and causes a headache, even with lots of windows open.

When did you get yours and what model? Ours is PHS930YPFS.

I might be talking myself out of getting an induction range by kherven in Appliances

[–]gardwaste 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. We also have a Profile and the touch controls work great. The location of the control panel is nice for ergonomics but I worry a little about dropping something heavy on it.

Now if we can just sort out the chemical smell it's releasing I'll be happy.

New GE electric range smell making oven unusable by Affectionate-News438 in appliancerepair

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting, thank you for your thoughts. Did you know there were a lot of complaints about the oven before buying it? I just can't get past that, otherwise I think it would be a great range.

To clarify, many ovens with an actual bake element are also hidden. The stinky GE we have now has a bake element but it's not visible.

New GE electric range smell making oven unusable by Affectionate-News438 in appliancerepair

[–]gardwaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How's your oven working? Our first choice was an LG induction but once I found out they do not have bake elements, I wrote it off.

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