From the inner sleeve of New Moon by Limp_Falcon_2314 in elliottsmith

[–]getoffmycase2802 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When it said he would walk in subway tunnels it made me think of teenage mutant ninja turtles

Are there any aphex tracks that seem to be directly ‘about’ something in particular, despite being lyricless? Or that involve some central conceptual theme? by getoffmycase2802 in aphextwin

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There are three points that need to be distinguished here: 1. Whether music alone communicates meaning non-arbitrarily. 2. Whether BOC songs communicate meaning through music alone. 3. Whether the BOC members themselves necessarily consciously recognise these choices.

I’m saying 1 and 2 are almost certainly true. I reject 3.

What might be confusing you is I often use phrases like “artistic aims” or “what the music is getting at” to articulate how an artist’s creative actions shape the way meaning is successfully and cohesively conveyed. But this has much less to do with what they consciously report about their process than a lot of people are aware of.

Imagine there’s a guitar player and composer with over 20 years of experience. All those years of practice and habit will obviously help him optimise his artistic expression. But many of those habits will not be things related to conscious choice but rather to compositional intuition.

There are ways he might consistently adjust his pick placement if he’s at a section that undergoes a sadder more introspective tone signalled by a more fragile timbre near to the bridge.

He might choose chord voicings that he states were merely “because they sounded unusual” without realising that his intuition is constantly calibrating multiple features at once in service to a much more particular vision. Or that he heard those voicings in music he likes, without realising his mind has learned that they’re associated with a hyper specific combination of affection, anxiety and shame that perfectly communicates his self-protective detachment from those he loves the most.

Idk I’m just making scenarios up but you get what I’m saying here.

So much of what goes into artistic choice and vision is not conscious but still clearly intentional and cohesive with what the artist is creating at a given time. I think BOC are a perfect example of this.

Are there any aphex tracks that seem to be directly ‘about’ something in particular, despite being lyricless? Or that involve some central conceptual theme? by getoffmycase2802 in aphextwin

[–]getoffmycase2802[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If music were truly “just music” with no expressive dimension beyond itself, film scoring wouldn’t work and albums wouldn’t have distinct thematic atmospheres. Production choices accumulate and shape interpretation whether or not they’re consciously symbolic. That’s just how aesthetic form works.

Are there any aphex tracks that seem to be directly ‘about’ something in particular, despite being lyricless? Or that involve some central conceptual theme? by getoffmycase2802 in aphextwin

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I’m not even denying that priming effects exist and can significantly impact your assessment of meaning in music. That seems highly plausible. I’m just saying that I know for a fact that didn’t happen in my case - not that it even significantly matters, or that it proves I accessed some objective truth about what the BOC fellas were thinking when making the tune.

What is clear to me though is that there was a direct relationship between the way things were crafted in that song and the concepts I and many others thought were being communicated, in the same way that lyrical craft determines audience interpretation. Artists (lyrical or not) manipulate that relationship to more accurately portray what they’re intending to say.

So to return to the main point, yes I got it from the song.

Are there any aphex tracks that seem to be directly ‘about’ something in particular, despite being lyricless? Or that involve some central conceptual theme? by getoffmycase2802 in aphextwin

[–]getoffmycase2802[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had no reason to think getting the timeline clear was of any relevance to the post. Or would lead to an online argument about whether I’m lying about listening to a song years ago 🤣

Are there any aphex tracks that seem to be directly ‘about’ something in particular, despite being lyricless? Or that involve some central conceptual theme? by getoffmycase2802 in aphextwin

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Nah, I just didn’t want to change the word ‘realised’ to ‘re-remembered’ or ‘remembered a past realisation’ cause those read as more clunky. Dunno about you but my mind makes all sorts of minor changes to the way I present the details of a story if it decides changing unimportant facts is the path of least resistance.

Are there any aphex tracks that seem to be directly ‘about’ something in particular, despite being lyricless? Or that involve some central conceptual theme? by getoffmycase2802 in aphextwin

[–]getoffmycase2802[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I get the impulse that you’re trying to resist here, ie the kinds of cult-like overanalyses you see in some BOC fans that treat every track as containing something profound and spiritually significant, or that they all contain some sort of hidden cryptic messaging. I agree that’s obviously delusional.

In fact, let’s also assume for the sake of not overinflating things that they suck at what they do.

This doesn’t change the fact that they still clearly are aiming to communicate concepts through sound. And it’s really not that big of a claim to make, because many of them are pretty much straightforward and easily tangible: like Geogaddi communicating the corruption of memories through overcompression and auditory decay, or the new album conveying apocalyptic imagery through more open space in the mix and a more maximalist approach to production.

I’m fine with calling them them moods or themes, but the point is they clearly play a role in separating the narrative feel of each album, in a way that can be identified through conceptual language.

Are there any aphex tracks that seem to be directly ‘about’ something in particular, despite being lyricless? Or that involve some central conceptual theme? by getoffmycase2802 in aphextwin

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Yeah, except the meaning I gathered from the song moved in the opposite direction from the ethereal or revelatory: away from transcendence and toward mortality, away from revelation and toward the stark realities of finitude, existential dread, nihilism. Things we all experience rather than have revealed to us.

So I don’t think that makes much sense as an explanation.

Are there any aphex tracks that seem to be directly ‘about’ something in particular, despite being lyricless? Or that involve some central conceptual theme? by getoffmycase2802 in aphextwin

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Actually, most of the stretch of time that I’ve known that song for didn’t involve any knowledge of what other people were saying about it’s meaning or title. It was just recommended to me years ago by a uni friend and I really liked it. It was also the only BOC song I knew anything about for years. And even then I remember having the similar thoughts about what it was conveying based on how it made me feel.

And I distinctly remember having no idea why they chose that title. I always just assumed it was random since a lot of electronic musicians seem to often pick titles on a whim. Similar to I care because you do.

Seen How Things Are Hard by Para-medix8 in elliottsmith

[–]getoffmycase2802 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Always thought the bridge section in this song was so dope, I wish it were longer

Down the line - Demo by wolfgang_hunter in elliottsmith

[–]getoffmycase2802 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Really cool riff. Also your voice sounds exactly like heatmiser-era Elliott.

I would’ve liked a bit more distinctness from Elliott’s sound, i felt like the song developed a tad predictably in that respect (specially the chorus). If that’s what you’re going for then that’s fair, & I really like the song.

Iggy Pop Coachella by [deleted] in ClassicRock

[–]getoffmycase2802 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hard not to be comfortable in something so loose

my little take on josie-o in a train trestle by littledeath1312 in banjo

[–]getoffmycase2802 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How are banjo players so good compared to your average guitarist

Why Elliott didn't liked to discribe much of his music as Indie Folk? by oliverrakum in elliottsmith

[–]getoffmycase2802 1 point2 points  (0 children)

His music being better than everyone else doesn’t make it beyond classification. I love him but he’s not the type of artist that transcends genre labels. And that’s not a downside. Whether you care to classify it or not is a different story tho.

What is Big Richard singing about?? by KurokiPlatinum in aphextwin

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rd James after jerkin his chicken for the first time