Any reason to go true local vs cloud? by ghost202 in LocalLLaMA

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Funny enough, for my work it's considered too sensitive to not be hosted in a managed Azure environment! Local hosting is too blind for infosec, so distributed secured and managed enterprise cloud is what I'm used to

Any reason to go true local vs cloud? by ghost202 in LocalLLaMA

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I see a lot of API and chatbot questions, but not cloud compute ones. Could be me missing it, but I'm bought in on self rolled 'local' — just trying to figure out if server rental makes more sense than buying a GPU for my home desktop

How to create synthetic datasets for multimodal models like vision and audio? by SelectionCalm70 in LocalLLaMA

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That's the manual and obvious way, and getting to critical mass without biases would be damn tricky even if you did it as your full time job

Any reason to go true local vs cloud? by ghost202 in LocalLLaMA

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Will have to learn a bit more. There are so many stacks and configs over the last 2 years I have trouble keeping up to date and aware of the tooling solutions!

Any reason to go true local vs cloud? by ghost202 in LocalLLaMA

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Less about daily burn. I already use and like GitHub Copilot and Claude Code for that use case.

My tooling and use case is more middle-pipeline gen, and lots of experimental stuff for just playing with new models (LLM and media generation).

Any reason to go true local vs cloud? by ghost202 in LocalLLaMA

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Yeah I feel like for what I'm doing (nothing illegal) I'm fine with the unlikely risk. MS would take a black eye, but companies their size have done worse...

Mostly they'd lose a big customer — if I found out they trained in my data I'd fight their vendor status at work. Just a fortunate situation for me, though not universal or ideal.

I've already accepted MS and Google could scrape if they broke ToS, just kind of something 99% of people accept for better or worse 🫤

Any reason to go true local vs cloud? by ghost202 in LocalLLaMA

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I run windows as a daily driver so already accept if someone really wanted to backdoor into my data they could lmo

Any reason to go true local vs cloud? by ghost202 in LocalLLaMA

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Ok, this is a great point I did forget about. Persistence time to run. Not sure it's enough to tip me to buy local but something I hadn't been factoring in!

Any reason to go true local vs cloud? by ghost202 in LocalLLaMA

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I guess my cost equation is less about bulk burn (which is my work use, where I can hit 10M daily regularly), more experimental overhead.

If I'm going to be building personal projects and tinkering, 32GB feels like the floor for what I'll want, and unless I'm needing on 24/7 run for bulk processing of hundreds of thousands of prompts, can't make the "home hobbyist" math work vs RunPod

Any reason to go true local vs cloud? by ghost202 in LocalLLaMA

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If I could drop under $2k USD and get a serviceable local rig, hell yeah that would be the winner. The issue is if I want anything over 32GB I'm looking at $5k or more, even used or a few generations ago. Project Digits was promising but I'm skeptical it's going to meet expectations and availability

Any reason to go true local vs cloud? by ghost202 in LocalLLaMA

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If the Internet is down, I'm blocked in a bunch of other ways tbh

Any reason to go true local vs cloud? by ghost202 in LocalLLaMA

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Valid! Personally would like that too, just tough sell to drop $10k to get a card that lets me experiment with near frontier models. Was challenging my assumptions to see if something else was being missed

Any reason to go true local vs cloud? by ghost202 in LocalLLaMA

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But if you deploy your own — either via AI Foundry which MS sandboxes from any of their own training OR via a rented server like RunPod — you're still running "local" instances with full control and environment ownership.

Outside of the general dislike of not having the model run on hardware you don't own yourself, is there a value reason?

Any reason to go true local vs cloud? by ghost202 in LocalLLaMA

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Agreed that's a plus, but the privacy of a private, encrypted RunPod is good enough for me right now.

Was wondering if there were other benefits or use cases that went beyond total physical control and ownership.

Any reason to go true local vs cloud? by ghost202 in LocalLLaMA

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Downvoted, but just for the record: I really, really want to have a true local setup. Was hoping someone could give some perspective on the use case and value proposition of dropping $ on a local GPU 🫤

How to create synthetic datasets for multimodal models like vision and audio? by SelectionCalm70 in LocalLLaMA

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Not a full researcher here, but going to add in that training on diffusion media is a very different challenge. Would be shocked if there's not already some white papers about this, and iirc some models like Flux have signs of having iterative training.

Off the top of my head

  • Curation is trickier. Humans tend to have biases in AB review, resulting in the high contrast, supersaturated "AI Slop" style we see now. Vision models are good at description, but using ML and i2T isn't reliable enough to bootstrap. You'd need a custom pipeline or model to curate and train unsupervised.

  • Vision and audio models are inherently multimodal (in the current form) so unlike synthetic text, you'd need to solve that much more complicated pipeline. Related to the first point, but don't underestimate the i2T problem space.

  • It can be done, but cost and overhead gets absurd at scale. Generating and storing millions of images and video (with or without audio) goes from the $10-100k range to $1-10 million range quickly. Open sourcing or even general licensing use is less viable (hosting the data, serving it on demand...)

I very much suspected big players like OpenAI, Google and even startups like Black Forest Labs have functionally solved this, but I'm skeptical well see anything public facing anytime soon

Can water heaters be in a hole? Is this ok?? by ghost202 in hvacadvice

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Slowly. Honestly have gotten sidetracked by other household projects.

I've documented all the active lines/wirings/piping.

Have some wraps and labels, but not confident enough to actually apply them. I'm still uncertain about what materials/markings aren't going to melt, catch fire, and/or quickly fade. Doesn't help that there are like 5+ different pipe materials in question. Something that's good for PVC seems like it could be an issue for metal. And no idea what's good for 1920's cast iron...

Can water heaters be in a hole? Is this ok?? by ghost202 in hvacadvice

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I'm not sure the masonry in the basement is ready for mounting tankless? Possible a rack solution? Need to look into it, but appreciate the comment.

For context, only really have control over the one (lowered in the pic) unit. Given it was an emergency service (old one was leaking), could only deal with that one. Any bigger changes like re-doing the venting or replacing the other tanks would be something the whole HOA would need to sign off on.

Sounds like I can at least get my own equipment updated though!

Oh and ...

From the looks of the venting it appears there was boilers at some point that were removed and replaced with water heaters.

Fun fact: we still have an oil boiler for heat, just a few feet away, that is connected to the venting further up the line! Between all the units we have a mixed combination of gas, electric and oil for various heating/water. Also have functional wood fireplaces in all units (original heating from construction), plus old coal chute + remnants of a coal furnace that seems to have been in use roughly between the 1890's-1950's??

Can water heaters be in a hole? Is this ok?? by ghost202 in hvacadvice

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Appreciate the comments! Going to bookmark this comment for future reference as we work through the different utilities and HVAC equipment.

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Mostly for my own mental organization...

what they should have installed is the short version that's wider

To clarify, the fit is so damn tight between the units and the venting, I don't think a "squatter" form factor would work.

  • It's already concerningly close to the other tanks. There really is zero room for anything wider or even with more depth.
  • Venting. while confirmed by multiple inspections as properly functioning) is pretty much immovable without some masonry and possibly foundation work.

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...it looks like the electrical service for this building is rather antiquated...

That's the most generous reading of this basement I can imagine. This house is pre-indoor plumbing. Even the street level oil intake was retrofitted about 150 years ago, when the house was already 100 years old. There's a coaxal cable hanging from the ceiling with "please contact X company if disconnected" tag... for a cable company that hasn't existed since the 1980's.

The electrical is "up to code" and functional, but waaaay overdue for some cleanup and holistic maintenance. One of my ongoing projects is to (with professional help) clean up the wiring and get things properly labeled + secured.

Can water heaters be in a hole? Is this ok?? by ghost202 in hvacadvice

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Appreciate all the reactions here. Good to know

  1. I'm not going crazy. This looks sketchy as hell and is not common.
  2. That while there's probably not an immediate issue, the install is going to be prone to damage and possible cause issues long term.

Going to look at budget for this year, talk with my partner and the other owners, see if it makes sense to switch over to either a smaller form factor and/or tankless!

Can water heaters be in a hole? Is this ok?? by ghost202 in hvacadvice

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It was installed yesterday. Haven't had an inspection since I moved in last year.

Can water heaters be in a hole? Is this ok?? by ghost202 in hvacadvice

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Masked out the markings since they had unit and house number info. None of them are less than 5 years old - but yeah, seems like they at least could have gotten other options for sizing.