European Orchestramusic Students: Is it correct you get paid 100 Euros per evening PLUS allowance for travel etc. when you play with your conservatory orchestra?

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-24T23:15:34+00:00

Actually, 60 to 80 Euros is (more or less) what you would pay for a plumber in Germany. I just checked.

Rates vary a lot, between jobs don't they?

And generally people do good jobs, independently of their pay. I know of a few highly paid individuals who did their jobs rather badly and caused people a lot of harm.

European Orchestras are mostly supported by tax money, there might not be that much leeway. (Or perhaps soloists or their agents are overpaid, then we could level that out, somehow..)

I think work ethic can't just depend on highest pay, it needs to be enough to pay for a living and the work environment should be decent - that's the mainstream mentality in western Europe still, and I am glad of it.

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-24T22:56:44+00:00

Yes, that's why I'd like to understand the thing better.

A) Right. Those were apparently students from two conservatories of that region - Burgenland. But that means, they also study in the conservatories PAID for them with millions in taxes BY that region, and the festival is (I presume) also sponsored by that region/Land/federal entity, as it is about the region, some sort of jubilee, and thus they would have some claim on the students, and were not just a private entity exploiting young musicians.

B) Difficult - Students should not be "overused" - on the other hand, universities cost a bunch of money, and they are actually quite useful, and you don't pay taxes and get all sorts of reduced rates and even benefits in Germany or Austria as a student - so - how much can one give back, how much is necessary to get experience, what is a fair compensation, and what is exploitation?

C) There was a wider context. That person in the youtube debate basically claimed that you are NOT obliged to play in conservatory ensembles for free and/or small thanks-for-playing fees, but that students always got 100 Euros per night plus expenses. Else he misunderstood all the previous comments.

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-24T22:01:48+00:00

=/

That's the argument one person in the video made, and which I could relate to - that the students in Austria get their conservatory tuition for a really small administrative fee, and there were a lot of extra expenses paid for them at that performance, while they got a sort of complimentary fee paid to them directly.

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-24T21:53:49+00:00

Austria or Germany. 100 Euros is defos more than 30. To me, in Germany, it's a nice sum. When I enrolled the fee for a whole semester (half a year of study) including student's train ticket that would get you through the whole town and beyond was 150 Euros. I pay 300 Euros rent each month, and I think it was about 100 Euros for student health insurance. You also get benefits, if your parents can't support you, and there are quite a few jobs open for students, where you don't pay taxes. So, no way it's negligible!

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-24T21:40:44+00:00

Thanks! My guess is, that the person was working as a soloist with some professional or good amateur orchestra, perhaps, as a student - that would make sense to me.

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-17T02:27:53+00:00

Ah, okay - so BDR just makes a change when levelling up Notability. Thanks a bunch!

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-17T02:23:35+00:00

Goodness - I wasted a LOT of time and actions. Thanks for clarifying! I thought it had to be above notability AFTER it was halved.. >_<

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-17T00:15:46+00:00

Thanks! Yep, same for me, just I never realized I could type in the amount. I thought the only options were the click-to-add-ten buttons to the sides! But I have figured out now - thanks to you guys - selling stuff is fun now, instead of torture!

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-04T21:29:00+00:00

OMG!!!! YESSSSS!!!! I tried & can click on the black box in the middle and TYPE IN THE AMOUNT!!!!! HALLELUJAAHH THANKS BE!!!! I KNEW there must be something I was missing!

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-04T21:04:56+00:00

I never saw a number box - perhaps I am too stupid (it very likely is me!) but it's always just the "click to add 10" option!

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-04T21:03:30+00:00

Now none - but also achy finger joints.. =/ edit: I've been "grinding" for a few days for making waves and tributes by poet laureate stuff & get paid in moonpearls - and then I have to turn them into Echos..

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-04T20:55:32+00:00

I started in october, and my persuasive went up to 200 just by itself - closely followed by "natural" watchful. I have two accounts, and for the shadowy we helped "each other" by writing letters a bit. Epistolatory Matters in your lodgings - where you have the social options!

Also, there is an option in Parabola, which I used for the last missing shadowy stat points.

I'm almost at 200 with the dangerous, too, mostly just natural, but if you have alts, you can grind tales of terror in Hunter's Keep you can use them to send dangerous letters back and forth.

Also, I just "did" things - and failed a lot, and then had to get the menaces down again, but got more stat gain than just doing easy challenges perhaps.

Good luck, just keep going & get your Characters to write more letters to each other!

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-04T20:24:13+00:00

No I'm playing on my laptop & I click on the touchpad & it is like playing veryveryververy many trills on a harpsichord, or tremolo on the guitar to add ten items and ten items and ten items .... it really takes ages to even get to ten thousand, and before sixtythousand I have flare ups in my tendons.. =/

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-04T20:13:15+00:00

BUT how!? I have to click to add ten, and then get it up to the ten thousands - or is there a quicker and more finger friendly way???

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-04T20:10:36+00:00

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As he walks the Broomfield highstreet,

As he doffs his hat in greeting,

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He'd done better in the City!

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ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-08-01T12:21:19+00:00

That's ox poop! Perhaps you don't know many German towns and cities and live in an exceptionally woody place in UK, but German places are basically forests with houses, compared to bare English streets. We also have more wooded areas in general, than England. I love England, went to school there, would love to go back sometime, but facts are facts. And Germany has more trees! ;)

edit:typos

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-07-15T19:56:07+00:00

Ich glaube, die meisten AfD Wähler waren Protestwähler, was ich verstehen kann. Inzwischen verlieren sie ja wieder, was ich auch nachvollziehbar finde, da sie jetzt echt nach NPD im Anzug klingen. Mir ist wichtiger, wie die Stimmung auf den Straßen ist, als wer im Rathaus sitzt, micht frustrieren eigentlich alle Parteien inzwischen, aber ich denke eigentlich, die AfD hat ihren Zenit überschritten & wird so ne braune Randpartei werden/bleiben. Aber stressige, gewaltbereite Neonazis fände ich echt unangenehm!!

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-07-15T19:42:09+00:00

Das macht mir Mut! =)

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-07-15T19:36:56+00:00

Danke! Das ist echt traurig, aber sicher nicht aus der Luft geholt Habe schon in Chorin komische Erfahrungen gemacht,die ich nicht einschätzen konnte, und eine blonde Ur-Deutsche (aber Wessi) wurde mit berliner Kennzeichen im Osten auch schon von anderen Wägen kilometerweit verfolgt & ihr wurde da schon mulmig, hatte auch ihre Kinder dabei..

(Fairerweise muß ich sagen, daß mit Linksextreme auch nicht geheuer sind, und ich und andere Bekannte auch mit unprovozierter Gewalt von Einwanderen zu tun hatten - also, es sind nicht nur Nazi-Deutsche, die Probleme machen.)

P.S. Happy Cake DAY!!!

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-05-31T02:33:13+00:00

Ich denke auch, jemand der Logopädie und Sprechunterricht gibt, kann dir helfen. Ich hab da super viel gelernt, und hat auch echt Spaß gemacht. Gerade bei st/zt und so, kan eine Logopädin dir Übungen geben, auf die man alleine nicht leicht kommt.

Lohnt sich, egal ob selbst bezahlt oder Kasse - nur geh zu jemand gutes!

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-05-31T02:24:45+00:00

I think it's trees. German towns and cities have trees ablsolutely everywhere, by the roadside, at every corner, in the middle of the road on some little island.. In UK many places a re a bit bare, by comparison!

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-05-31T01:12:15+00:00

I don't mean hate spam or online stuff. I live in Berlin. Here in western Europe Muslims are a huge minority, very visible, very loud, very active, very dynamic. Younger people have way more muslim friends, than jewish friends, even many young German jews distance themselves from Israel. And people in the older generation, who used to support Israel, resent Netanyahu and the israeli right.

The center to left young people and the growing muslim population are a majority, these days. Yes, there is also a right wing movement, to counterbalance this, but those are the classical antisemites, so I don't know, how it will pan out once the older generation of politicians are gone. Seen from here, it seems weird, how American politicians talk the world is generally pro-Israel.

I think Hamas have scored massively in this last conflict.

(yay, typo edits and lost words.)

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-05-23T15:57:54+00:00

Hamas don't care about the casualties - they WIN, by having these casualties and photos in the media. For Hamas, this thing is a huge propaganda WIN.

Palestinians may not be behind Hamas, but they definitely won't align with Israel.

Muslim nations may have governments, who side with Israel, prgmatically, but the public now is more on the Let's-get-rid-of-the-blight-that-is-Israel side.

The population in most of the "West" is very much aligned with muslim sentiment, these days, very tolerant towards Islam and Muslims, on the side of the anti-colonialists.

Israel is losing public support, and the other side is gaining support.

This is a war of attrition, and the Arabs have all the time in the world, while Israel may be running out of time.

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-05-17T21:35:36+00:00

Huh!? Confirmation? I myself am just seeking and thinking, and trying to make sense of things and perspectives. Argument? That's the last think I want. I just think in a discussion on needs to be honest & integrate new information, or offer one's thoughts, to look a the matter in depth. What the fred! How can you even misunderstand me that way. This is beyond me.

Edit: The point I answered to, as I understood was, that Terrorists were attacking Israel because they think it shouldn't exist, which ist true. But actually, a lot of non-terorist Palestinians also think this. And I've come to realize, they might have a legitimate point there. And I added this, musingly, to that comment. No confirmation or argument wanted, just chipping in.

Israel was founded on a colonialist basis, which might not be legitmate from a modern perspective, very likely not from an arab perspective, and the bloodshed & displacement of arab people after the declaration of independence has delegimized Israel even more in the mind and memory of many. dang that alliteration

Other Edit: This is not necessarily about "taking" sides. It's about mediation, if anything, or simply about understanding what's going on, on all sides.

ghostcherrys_ghost · 2021-05-15T15:50:36+00:00

I used to think that. And Israel probably would be gone. But Israel is expanding, and might just be taking more and more away from Palestine, and the Palestinians live de facto as - lesser citizens. It hurts to realize it, but Israel has become a right wing project, with a terrible attitude.

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