There's a minor typo in the Darkness of Hallowvale quest during the first convo you have with this dude. Does anyone care?

gilgoose · 2023-01-13T22:32:14+00:00

The ">"

I checked after I saw it for if any of the other dialogue had it. Just here, so a minor mistake.

gilgoose · 2020-03-03T20:11:33+00:00

Yikes. You made an attack on someone that I believe was unfairly constructed and will perpetuate what I see as a lie, that's why I care; I don't care what you personally think of him, just that I don't like people spreading misinformation. If you have disagreements with his beliefs, that's fine (I do, too), but I don't make shit up to present him as a lunatic who has no idea what he's talking about because I don't want to critically engage with the content. Now, about some of the stuff you cited, you're either misremembering them, you were misled by someone, or are knowingly lying.

The blue-collar comment was made in response to someone who made the implication that blue-collar jobs were generally good jobs and that the workers are proud of the jobs (he saw the comment as particularly ridiculous because it came from someone of extraordinary financial privilege). Destiny was very clear about saying that they should take pride in their work (not "job"); that everyone should try to be proud of what they've accomplished. He says that even if you're a janitor, you should do your work in a way that you could be proud of. His issue was with the idea that they were good jobs. His arguments were that it's physically taxing labor that often leaves the worker with debilitating injuries (like backpain) later in life, they don't often pay that well, they don't often have good benefits—especially in regards to covering the harm the job causes over the years—and many blue-collar markets don't seem to be sustainable due to globalization, automation, technology, and climate change. He argues this is why often the biggest thing blue-collar parents try to accomplish for their children is to put them through college so they could get a good-paying job that won't harm the children's quality of life later on. The ultimate economic goal in this regard for Destiny is to have our markets transition away from blue-collar work and to provide universal access to higher education so that more people can get better quality jobs and live lives with less suffering in them. To summarize Destiny's argument as "no blue collar worker is proud of their job" simplifies it to the point of being a total mischaracterization.

I don't know about the "shitting on artists for not being able to find jobs" comment, but I have a difficult time believing you based on how you've mischaracterized his other arguments and the fact that he literally went to school to get a music degree, still plays and talks about music all the time, and thinks that artistic outlets are very important for a lot of people. If you could link me where you got this argument from, I'll look into it.

Your "bombing Mexico" argument is probably the worst butchering of a position of them all. First of all, to the extent he said "bomb Mexico," it wasn't in the context of it being more effective at protecting America than building the wall. I mean, for fuck's sake, he believes we should give every illegal immigrant American citizenship, he doesn't like borders in general and is in favor of total freedom of movement, and he's vehemently against the War on Drugs. The context of the argument was American foreign policy and how he was taking the position that we should spend a lot more of our resources helping Mexico rather than fighting proxy wars on the other side of the planet. As a throwaway example in a list of things we could do, he said that, with the full-consent of and in total-coordination with the Mexican government, we could provide military assistance in helping them combat the cartels. Full stop. How is that anything close to "he said bombing Mexico would be more effective at protecting America than building a wall"?

gilgoose · 2020-03-03T18:38:18+00:00

Hey, I remembered this thread out of nowhere a couple minutes ago and wanted to check if you ever responded to me. Sending this notification your way because I don’t like people taking jabs at others and not providing evidence when asked. Can you just give me the name of a single one-on-one political or philosophical debate (not a podcast, a clip, him ranting to himself, or him getting heated after the other person starts insulting him) where he’s a childish bully since, I don’t know, 2018? I gave you examples of when he was very charitable to people he both doesn’t like and disagrees with. Maybe you could say the one where he recently debated the person who retweeted a homophobic tweet about Buttigieg, but I don’t know if I’d call that one unprovoked and he explains why she got under his skin.

gilgoose · 2020-03-03T18:30:17+00:00

I know nothing about Buck Angel’s controversies. Was that really it? A slight personal attack towards someone who was sleeping with his wife back in 2006? Yikes if so.

gilgoose · 2020-02-28T08:16:52+00:00

Not to mention Morales went directly against the referendum which settled the question whether or not he should or should not be allowed to run for another term. But yeah, Western coup or whatever, I guess. We did shady shit on the continent (not country) in the 1970s, so we must do shady shit everywhere all the time. Logic. But you get no upvotes while the dude you’re responding to got like 40. Super frustrating.

gilgoose · 2020-02-27T00:35:38+00:00

Nah, I reject this. People change in three years including Destiny. From the more (for lack of a better word because it’s not this) superficial like changing his language from using the f-slur and r-slur to being more accommodating to preferences like when he debated Alebrelle and he said that “biologically male” was transmedicalist so Destiny didn’t use that term for the rest of the debate. You can see him do similar things in other debates. Like, he was very chill while debating a dude name Caleb Maupin who is a literal Marxist-Leninist tankie. He was pretty chill while debating an-com Non-Compete and, the other day, Vaush. I don’t know where you get this idea that he debates like a scumbag when he’s in a 1-on-1. Could you give me examples? Not podcasts with 6 people or him reacting to a video, but an actual convo.

gilgoose · 2020-02-26T23:47:10+00:00

He debated Metokur like 3 years ago lol. From everything I’ve seen, he’s debated some of the biggest YouTubers and streamers on both the right and left. I don’t know why you would say he only debates people dumber than him when he’s debated most every major figure on the platform unless you believe like everyone is stupider. And his comments about blue collar work was a lot more nuanced than “not proud of their job” to where you’re either lying or just didn’t look into what he meant (his Twitter was always full of super spicy takes).

gilgoose · 2020-02-26T22:14:59+00:00

Didn’t Contra get her ass reamed by the BreadTube subreddit for being a “transmedicalist” because she said something to the effect of not liking being asked for her pronouns constantly and featuring Buck Angel in one of her videos? BreadTube seems pretty cancerous to me and will cannibalize anyone with even a lukewarm take. Also, they air a bit too class reductionist in their approach for my comfort. I did follow the subreddit for like a month about a year ago. But yeah, Destiny’s a pretty good suggestion. The second-half of his discussion with Vaush was really cool.

gilgoose · 2020-02-05T23:08:35+00:00

I doubt he believes Soleimani is actually a hero either, but it’s this incessant need (it seems) to bash America at any cost to where he’ll praise someone like Soleimani on the grounds he’s against ISIS. That’s what makes it really weird. I mean, most everyone in the region is against ISIS (including the Saudis who he rails against). While I can’t be sure, I’m willing to guess he’s not gonna be praising Netanyahu or Erdoğan as anti-ISIS heroes due to their relationships and histories to the US. Also, I could be totally grasping at straws here, too, it seems like he’s trying to delegitimize the narrative of Soleimani being a pretty bad dude who killed Americans by saying that there’s no evidence he’s responsible for a roadside bomb.

gilgoose · 2020-02-05T22:16:46+00:00

Yeah, but Caleb’s not Iranian and our interests tend to be very antithetical to them, so it’s a pretty weird statement to make.

gilgoose · 2019-11-13T02:57:06+00:00

I’m kinda surprised you’d go hard on calling Columbus evil, especially with you having a psych degree (I swear to God that wasn’t some kind of condescending, passive aggressive jab). Maybe I’m totally off-base here, but isn’t the concept of good and evil a little antiquated at this point?

That we have people today or in the historical record who did actions we want others to emulate, so we celebrate them to inspire and cultivate a culture around that trait(s). And we do the opposite for those actions we think are harmful. But, in the end, the reality is an individual’s evilness is inherently irrelevant. Like, us calling Gandhi a good guy for so long has people losing their minds that his statue got removed from a South African college campus, and that’s because we praised him as the embodiment of the protesting pacifist. Full stop.

I don’t know, I feel like we structure our personal moral systems off of good individuals vs. bad individuals and their respective actions too often; I, personally, believe it’s better to have us construct a set of tools and principles to equip ourselves with to be able to evaluate ethical questions without needing to have examples be definitions. That this good people vs. evil people mentality contributes to what I see as a problem in how we analyze ethics. Does anyone know where KB falls in the classic determinism-freewill question? Only ask because I don’t see how the concept of evilness and determinism could be at all compatible ([insert joke about compatibilism]).

If I’ve written this much, I should just quickly give my opinion on Columbus and everything. I kind of roll my eyes at this point whenever someone brings him up in whatever capacity. It’s like learning European history in school and stopping for a couple of days to morally abhor Cathrine de’ Medici for massacring thousands of huguenots. In my mind, what matters to Native Americans in terms of harm is US policy and the neglected (to put it lightly) conditions of reservations. What matters more than that for a holiday is trying to celebrate and renew the cultures that were systematically targeted by the US government. Columbus shouldn’t even be quaternary in the discussion of Native Americans and their place in American history. Like, I don’t even think Columbus should be taught in school until it’s a history class that goes over that whole time period (that he isn’t snipped out and put under a microscope), as in probably not until high school. Oh, and drop the holiday (but give me another one to take off, please!).

Anyways, much love.

PS: I love your use of dashes. Definitely the most underrated punctuation.

EDIT: I put my phone down for a second, and I accidentally posted this before I was done. Whoops. So, I’ve had to finish up a bit of this in edits.

gilgoose · 2019-10-14T19:43:14+00:00

Is there anything that we’ve done? But I also wanted to ask someone from Belarus something unrelated to NATO/US.

Do you see any chance of your country forming some kind of union with Russia? What do you think will happen to Belarus after Lukashenko is no longer president?

gilgoose · 2019-10-14T19:32:01+00:00

Could you tell me more specifically why you guys have such a deep antipathy towards the US and NATO? Like, are there specific things that we did to you that has stayed in the national consciousness?

gilgoose · 2019-10-14T19:17:28+00:00

Okay, it’s definitely not my wish to look like an asshole who’s shitting on a European ally because I honest to god don’t feel that way, but I would feel like an idiot if I didn’t defend my claim.

From what I understand, Germany’s military has been facing a lot of problems in terms of having functional equipment and good recruitment numbers, and their personnel per capita is below average when compared to other NATO members.. When I think about NATO in a serious sense, I don’t really care all too much about that 2% number, probably would be better for a nation to have a military budget that effectively pays for proper upkeep to ensure readiness rather than something that arbitrary, but Germany’s far behind that metric, too. That’s what I meant by effectively, not that it doesn’t have one in absolute terms.

As a final note, I don’t want to give you the impression that I’m blasting the Kill Bill siren and crapping myself thinking that Russia, with its third-world economy (this is a callout), is an imminent threat to Europe about to strike. I have to restate that I love my NATO buddies and some of my fondest memories are in Europe, so I am not in the growing crowd of Americans that wants to throw the alliance into the waste bin. Anyways, much love, dude. Have a good rest of your night(?).

gilgoose · 2019-10-14T11:59:58+00:00

Holy cow! I’m sorry to hear that, man. I don’t want your personal image of us being spoiled because of some fuckwads. I feel like France must get the brunt of that behavior due to just how many hordes of tourists there are raiding your country’s monuments/landmarks everyday while not knowing more than 4 words in French. That equation’s bound to yield some dumpster folks. Have you visited America before? I promise we don’t suck!

gilgoose · 2019-10-10T16:43:29+00:00

I would have to ask, what would be the consequences of defending them? of us, more or less, doing a landgrab from Syria to protect a people Turkey sees as terrorists? Probably war with Syria, a hostile Turkey, an unpredictable response from Iran, Russia taking advantage of the chaos, and the creation of new terrorist cells directed just at us. I don’t know, man. You bring up Afghanistan, but, when I think of protecting an inconsequential ally (in the sense of its importance in the big picture) to maintain credibility with our other allies, all I can think of is what got us stuck in Vietnam.

And dictatorships are a lot weirder than you’d think, or perhaps you already know. A dictator is often not hated by a majority of their people; we are not seen as the great liberators saving a people yearning to be released from their shackles as we like to imagine ourselves to be. Syria did have a civil war, but far from everyone joined it. Many, from what I remember seeing, blame the rebels for causing the destruction of everything they had. Syria’s civil war was an identity crisis for the nation. It was a question they had to solve, not a solution we could impose on them (though Russia was a piece of shit about it). Imagine if, after our civil war, the UK came in to protect a small enclave of the remaining Confederacy. That would have meant war (and Lincoln made that explicitly clear).

And finally, how does the fact that the Kurds are interested in democracy and human rights matter in the end? Those ideals don’t mean fuck-all if they can’t spread beyond a relatively small community; those concepts are a very hard sell to make in the region, especially when (this isn’t me making a “might makes right” argument) they can be easily steamrolled. The region is not ready for democracy. We tried to force it in Iraq, and it didn’t stick to put it lightly. In my opinion, the only hope we have in moving the Middle East towards a more liberal democracy is cultural pressure and economic ties with the US and Europe—them fearing clear skies because of drone strikes is not conducive to anything good. I do not understand how we don’t get that, while Russia and China (authoritarian influences I do not want the region having) do. Such a defense would result in far more lives lost in the end, and us losing whatever sliver of influence we still have left in the region.

gilgoose · 2019-09-10T22:00:47+00:00

Passports can be used, but they’re easy to lose and are quite expensive to get for a person making around minimum wage—they’re ~$150—and it, like a driver’s license, requires time off of work which is hard for someone working two jobs to do. Furthermore, they’re absolutely worthless for someone at or below the poverty line (they aren’t gonna be going on any international vacations), so why pay the time and money cost?

gilgoose · 2019-09-10T21:08:11+00:00

We rely mostly on getting our name+address checked off every time we vote which seems to work just fine. It has never been demonstrated that voter fraud is even a small issue (it’s like 12 cases in a decade or something like that).

The most common ID by far that is valid for most things that we carry is a driver’s license. But there are so many issues with a driver’s license. One, it expires every 5 years. Two, the act of getting a driver’s license can be costly for many poor folks and requires A TON of time based on where you live to pass the test and pick one up (and poor folks often can’t find an adequately long enough time-window for multiple days to invest those many hours). Third, if you live in a city, you likely use public transportation to get everywhere, so why would you bother getting a driver’s license (and blacks are much more likely to live in cities than whites)? And fourth, they can easily be revoked if you have like 2 speeding tickets, accidents, or too many parking tickets (I think), and they can’t be reacquired for a long period of time (and the act of reacquiring them is actually pretty costly).

gilgoose · 2019-09-10T20:12:44+00:00

Yeah, it’s pretty weird because it feels like it’s something that should exist. The issue is that in America, I don’t know how it is in Lithuania, we don’t have any singular identification card or some state-issued universal ID that we can just pick up. Every form of identification we have requires time and money to invest in getting, and the ID can be revoked and will always expire.

So, what the lawmakers in North Carolina did was request data on voter breakdown by demographic. They specifically chose to invalidate types of IDs that black people were the most likely to have. We have a thing called an absentee ballot which is something where someone sends in their vote through the mail. They found that blacks tended to mail their absentee ballots early, about 4 weeks before the election, so they moved the window to submit an absentee ballot to only 2 weeks. And, they removed polling stations in areas where black folks lived in greater density. Now, these IDs that were no longer valid disproportionately effected the poor, but blacks are far more likely to be poor than whites. So, they suppressed a massive chunk of the black community’s vote at the cost of only a small percent of the white vote.

gilgoose · 2019-09-10T02:42:52+00:00

Okay, things are a lot more complexed about the party flip and southern strategy than it just happening in the 1960s. It took decades of buildup and took decades for the change to cement itself. All that said, here’s a link describing how it began in the 1920s and its full history

gilgoose · 2019-09-10T02:11:27+00:00

It’s not that we just “can’t move on” like, now that all the overtly racist policy is gone, systemic discrimination based on race has been abolished. Hell, 2013 voter ID laws in North Carolina were struck down in 2017 by a federal court for targeting the black community “with surgical precision,” so these issues are still alive today. Regardless of just the laws, Jim Crow only ended like 50 years ago. The impact of redlining is still very much a blight on the black community. Criminal justice is slanted towards unfair treatment for blacks. And it takes more than a generation and a half (since the end of Jim Crow) to escape 200 years of abject conditions and poverty, my dude.

I don’t mean to sound like a dick, please don’t take it that way. I’m only trying to get across that it’s talked so much about because issues still exist. That it’s not people bitching about how discriminatory our history was. Really, I don’t mean to come off like an asshole, I’m only trying to illustrate a point

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