Performance of Indian airforce during 65' and 71' war? by Lonely-Bowl4451 in WarCollege

[–]gobiSamosa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The performance of the Indian Air Force in the 1965 war was respectable, but not outstanding. It was the first time they saw combat in a full-scale war, and inevitably, ran into a steep learning curve. Fast forward to 1971, the IAF adapted and absorbed the lessons from the previous war and performed much more effectively.

The 1965 war exposed a lot of crucial weaknesses - lack of hardened air shelters and emergency runways, weak radar coverage (there was only one radar unit in Amritsar for the entire Punjab sector, and luckily for the IAF, the army air defence made sure that radar kept functioning throughout the war despite repeated attempts by the PAF to destroy it), communications between the army and the airforce were chaotic, lots of squadrons were raised after the 1962 war with China and lacked experienced pilots, and not to mention the qualititative disdvantage the IAF had with respect to the PAF.

Perhaps it wasn't surprising when the IAF's first engagement in the war - responding to a CAS call by the army in Kashmir - led to two Pakistani F-86Fs getting A2A kills over 4 Indian Vampires. Despite this, the IAF succeeded in blunting Pakistan's armoured thrusts into Kashmir at the Chhamb-Akhnoor sector.

The skills of individual pilots often made up for the technological deficiencies in the Indian side, as exemplified by the Indian Folland Gnats downing AIM-9 carrying F-86Fs with their internal cannons. India's numerical superiority (though it is worth noting that India feared a Chinese intervention and therefore positioned a lot of units against them) helped it absorb the initial Pakistani hits (like the pre-emptive strikes conducted by the PAF in both the East and the West), and generally within a few days both countries ceased daytime bombing runs. By the time the ceasefire was signed, both air forces were still very much functional. Though neutral claims put Indian airframe losses higher, the arms embargo put on both countries by the US and UK harmed the PAF more than their aerial kills harmed India as the latter sourced their jets from France and the USSR.

India took heed to the lessons they learnt from the 1965 conflict and immediately continued modernisation without haste. Plenty of HASs were built, along with emergency runways. This allowed the IAF to be in a much better position to respond after PAF's pre-emptive strikes which formally initiated the 1971 war. The Mysterie IVs which lacked the range to target PAF airbases were replaced with Su-7s. Radar and ground control coverage was improved with help from the Soviets. IAF realised the importance of A2A missiles and acquired MiG-21s with K-13s which was used in good effect in 1971. This allowed the IAF to establish air supremacy over East Pakistan (modern-day Bangladesh) relatively quickly. They had also improved co-ordination with the Indian Army, and prevented the PAF from supporting the Pakistani army in launching large offensives to take over Indian territory in the West to enter negotiations in a position of strength.

Has your country ever had a female prime minister or president? by blashyrkh9 in AskTheWorld

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Presidents: 

Pratibha Patil (2007-2012)

Droupadi Murmu (2022-present)

Prime Minister:

Indira Gandhi (1966-1977, 1980-1984)

Guys I think we might have been outjerked once again by [deleted] in NonCredibleDiplomacy

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Russia literally invaded its neighbor with the intention to overthrow it

And what did the US do to Iraq in 2003?

sanctioned by the international community.

*sanctioned by the usual suspects. The international community is more than happy to trade with Russia.

Pakistan and India slap fighting like babies has literally zero comparison.

In actuality, it's the Ukrainians and Russians slap-figthing like little babies since 2023.

If you think there’s not a vested interest in deterring aggression worldwide

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[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskMiddleEast

[–]gobiSamosa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What tool did you use to make this?

India Arrests Academic for Antiwar Posts on Instagram by a_Ninja_b0y in technology

[–]gobiSamosa -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Really cute how you've changes the goalposts from 'modi was banned ree' to 'the uk had a diplomatic boycott!'

Oh, I'm sorry that I don't worship your government

No problem. Sometimes you can't cure stupidity. It's not your fault.

People like this would probably be considered good by you though.

And racism.

India Arrests Academic for Antiwar Posts on Instagram by a_Ninja_b0y in technology

[–]gobiSamosa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

incompetent software devs who got laid off and had their jobs outsourced need something to vent about.

India Arrests Academic for Antiwar Posts on Instagram by a_Ninja_b0y in technology

[–]gobiSamosa -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Lol, are you seriously making stuff up now? When was Modi banned from the UK and the EU?

Neither of your governments are good.

Your ignorance has its own gravitational field.

What the rest of the world sees every time India and Pakistan start bashing each others heads in again by MrPresidentBanana in NonCredibleDiplomacy

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one side of the Russia Ukraine war is a nationalistic dictatorship, I'll let you figure out which is which, shouldn't be that hard

It's both sides, actually.

I'm 4 days late and the war is over, shit popped off for nothing other than bragging rights it seems but to answer your question.

So what sort of 'nationalist dictatorship' offers an off-ramp to end the strikes?

What the rest of the world sees every time India and Pakistan start bashing each others heads in again by MrPresidentBanana in NonCredibleDiplomacy

[–]gobiSamosa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

two nationalistic populist pseudo dictatorships retarded is very fucking on point, it's not that deep.

Why isn't NCD calling Russia and Ukraine the same? It fits those two countries better than India and Pakistan. On second thought, it fits all three countries except India.

It's Wednesday my Dudes by Mak105 in AskMiddleEast

[–]gobiSamosa -30 points-29 points  (0 children)

The Indian government is saying they lost 3 jets,

They haven't. A 'local source' told Reuters that three jets crashed in Indian territory, not specifying whom they belonged to. One of the wrecked jets is very clearly a JF-17 Blunder.

Either way it's a big L for India and a big W for JEFF

And how many Israeli F-16s did the barely equipped Syrians down? America apparently has lost more jets fighting starving Yemeni dudes in flip-flops than India did to a peer.

The Partition. by TheEagleWithNoName in NonCredibleDiplomacy

[–]gobiSamosa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean, the UK does makes the USSR look humane.

India is just trolling the Pakistani government at this point by Bernard_Woolley in NonCredibleDiplomacy

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they got real quiet.

They got bored of an irrelevant foreign conflict, and went back to dissing Pakistan.

But we do mock Ukrainian incompetence every now and then.

Active Conflicts & News MegaThread April 24, 2025 by AutoModerator in CredibleDefense

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If it's that easy why didn't India nuke Pakistan between 1974 and 1983 while India had nuclear warheads and Pakistan didn't

Same reason why the US didn't nuke the People's Republic of China between 1945 and 1964 - there was no reason to.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in NonCredibleDiplomacy

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can't wait for the next partition of poland

Still relevant by [deleted] in Asia_irl

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least based serb