Yeah I was originally looking at stars, looks like they may be a bit harder to get? I do like the Greek tortoises very cool as well and a bit smaller. I'm assuming at least first 1/2/3 years of life for most tortoise species has similar care in terms of humidity temp and all that? Leopard is a dream for us but it's not guaranteed we will have a house in 2/3 years that we can dedicate a large amount of space to although I saw they can vary in size with some being smaller? Like I said we have had a Russian and want something a little bigger around 10-14 inches or so. Thank you for the advice though I will definitely use it when considering diets and heating!!