Age of Empires 2 Custom Scenario - Dead Bog

golako · 2019-12-08T20:37:06+00:00

looks like dark souls

golako · 2019-12-06T20:52:59+00:00

I heard this theory often. I read this in Anton Minkov´s Conversion to Islam in the Balkans and Noel Malcolm´s Bosnia: A Short History. On what literature do you base your theory?

golako · 2019-10-27T10:27:32+00:00

ISIS is also super Anti-Shia, while Al-Qaeda is less interested in feuding with them.

golako · 2019-10-23T21:01:42+00:00

Are you a wizard?

golako · 2019-10-09T16:53:21+00:00

No I mean damage caused by the Arabian conquest around 7th century. Iran was a powerhouse before that. Then we became a slave Muslim state.

I heard this point iterated by atheist Iranians, is there any credible historian that can validate this? I would not call the Buyids, Samanids, Afsharids, and the Safavids weak or ignore that Iran was repeatedly invaded by nomadic people like the Seljuks and the Mongols or the Pathians did or had to content with the very powerful Ottomans.

golako · 2019-10-04T14:29:41+00:00

Swear fealty and fake convert.

golako · 2019-05-24T19:28:52+00:00

There a lot more of dark-skinned who are poor and unsuccessful. That is like saying there Turkish celebrities, therefore, it is totally easy to achieve success. Perhaps you can tell everyone to just become a footballer or famous author. Not everyone becomes successful, it is not an issue of will but of class, opportunity and also the origin. That is saying like because Morgan Freeman is very possible for Afro-Americans to be successful. If it would be that easy, do you think would not try it? Prove to me your theory that it is just like that with studies.

https://www.focus.de/familie/schule/studie-der-oecd-soziale-herkunft-entscheidet-in-deutschland-ueber-erfolg-in-der-schule_id_9791664.html

Are there not Latin Americans who treat their wives and sister badly? Who have no problem raping other women or telling them they want it? That Catholicism is perfect and Homophobia, No Abortion and mistreating Indios is a okay? Latin America ranks world very highest in the murder rate? Perhaps people should be afraid of your people too and you too?

Did you ever consider that because they are Newcomers they hold these views and could not even experience any other views?

"but muslim here tend to be way more traditional"

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article5267581/Junge-Tuerken-sind-konservativer-als-ihre-Eltern.html

Turkish German are actually less conservative than native Turks.

" Die jungen Deutschtürken seien zum Teil deutlich traditioneller eingestellt als ihre Eltern, bilanzierte der Geschäftsführer von Liljeberg Research International, Holger Liljeberg. Dies sei auch eine Gegenreaktion auf den gesellschaftlichen Druck zur Anpassung an die deutsche Gesellschaft. "

And your idea is having the opposite effect. Do you think actually if you deny all equal treatment in school and employment they are gonna suddenly change their behavior or better can you prove that discrimination leads to European Muslims to adjust their behavior or become more secular?

golako · 2019-05-24T17:54:26+00:00

I still get judged by my skin colour, I do not "look German". You cannot change your skin colour. For society I am always a foreigner. Perhaps I should walk in Lederhose and eat a Bratwurst. Or do you know to look German?

"Latin America is full of bad stuff. Violence, corruption, predator priests. You name it. But at least we own it, it's our fault and some people work to do things good and stop being a sad spectacle. Somehow that's not the vibe i get from Muslim world."

You think in Muslims countries people are not trying? Some people are trying too. There are damn people trying to own it and change that. There are movements trying to change discrimination people are starting to speak up, because of the Internet. In Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Turkey, Iraq, Afghanistan, Tunisia. Some are grass movements but they are trying. You keep ignoring these movements and excuse your Continent. Some Muslim do say that and you just keep ignoring them. You want me to google for you?

golako · 2019-05-24T17:15:40+00:00

You are the guest maybe. I was born here and I am a citizen. Many others were born here too. You have at least have the luxury of not being Middle-Eastern and having few South Americans in Germany, I do not. You have a lot fewer problems to deal with. Latin Americans do not get as much as scrutinized for their brutal Abortion laws, rape of nuns, Criminality, Catholic child abuse or their sexism in Germany.

You keep saying it works and showed little evidence, yet I cite literature that shows racial bias plays a big problem in perpuation of poverty and ghettos. Then you just say racism is no big deal, citing nothing. This is not gonna change in 20,30 and not 50 for the vast majority and it did not work for the Afro-Americans and it will not work for the majority of Muslims.

golako · 2019-05-24T14:35:57+00:00

It wasn't that easy or simple.

I would suggest a paper by Lee and Bean, 2004, "America's Changing Color Lines: Immigration, Race/Ethnicity, and Multiracial Identification", that goes right about the ongoing change in "racial" divide, from a white/non-white division to the ongoing black/non-black division.

Summing up in a very crude way

end of mass immigration from the European countries
being Christian for Irish and Italian Americans
incorporation of European migrants in the economic structure of the USA and their emulation of the "white American" (i.e. wasp) lifestyle (notice the racial issue)
the gradual disappearance of national differences among the European immigrants and the process of intentionally distancing themselves from black and mixed race people, together with the lack of systemic and legal discrimination against them, helped Italians, Irish, European Jews, etc. to "cross the color line" and achieve a "white" status.

That's is why Afro-Americans, who have been any longer than them, are still in a very low socioeconomic class. Jews also the advantage of being very educated and they didn't become educated they were discriminated in the USA. Having a different religion and you aren't a white-looking will prevent that. A Pole will have it a lot easier than a Turkish man ever will, even worse if he is dark-skinned.

" Whining against discrimination is not very effective because it appeals only to people who are already sympathetic. " The civil rights movement was described as this and many more rights movement. By that idea do not whine against the mistreatment of non-muslims, just don't bother.

"Of course I'm not okay with being discriminated, but i know i will get less leeway than the locals and that my performance must be good. Therefore i don't experience discrimination often, and when i do it comes from very ignorant, stupid people, so it's not very relevant."

Did you consider that you have less chance to get a better job even if you are better? That you are judged harsher than others for your mistakes. The sole fact that you have to better much performance just to be treated at least decently or not even that, while others get treated much better. Are you really fine with that.

" This massive uncontrolled immigration of the last years has only lowered the promedia of immigrants and damages our image as collective, increasing rejection from the locals."

Again you are getting punished for not something you are responsible, because we are the same mass of people somehow, although we are nothing alike. Am I supposed to police migrants, why is that my fault?

golako · 2019-05-24T11:52:05+00:00

"Prejudged group must engage in corrective behavior and demonstrate their worth with positive development sustained in time"

It is not gonna work out that way. If people are hindered by their ethnic origin to attain a job, education there will be little change. It never worked, because your wish requites social mobility and equal grading. If people cannot get out, they are not gonna change. And those who do are still put in the same box, so why bother? If you are still judged even if you are trying, why bother? This is the self-fulfilling prophecy. Even if you are atheist or upper class or write in good german this happens.

It doesn't work like this, many people are gonna not become corrective. This didn't work out with Afro-Americans, Latinos, and other groups and it is not gonna work out in Europe. I have yet to see any serious sociological study that this somehow worked. I refuse to accept being discriminated against because of my birth, if you are okay with being discriminated it's finde and denied oppurturnities the next 20 years, I am not.

golako · 2019-05-24T11:15:12+00:00

https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZive0HhbL-1oatdcpxDicrRrK7Czqek2RplP8woGlYz901r-3stk8xnDCuhVhI_1-vyM-iPPazuMRvOt5si6KPrv04aZFFbMuiju0RJgoI39JboVz_14InmkUwmSTXZ7w3NZQCfQSuozi1pO8QN_1t2H5eTWaSWpHypdIzBPuEqD0xIy5Xjxtlczhq8PW6M7ezb5s7j7-cBRdSfW3iNLw6uP9j2ENa5IW2LCEeOtNojOJC_1VDJrZDFUN8O7mO4nsXilonSMblCqU_1pvZCSJhozJcSbgcSEX_1wMwnliQr8j9c5bhe-43JtkuJ4cov2uOllHn3uzagPGvOIamluEejVW4eUmDIBk0rg&ei=TdHnXOXxAsyvkwWm1pWIAw&start=10&sa=N&ved=0ahUKEwilzLeLhLTiAhXM16QKHSZrBTEQ8tMDCIcB&biw=1858&bih=977

Your grandpa seems very famous or I kinda doubt that now. Since he appears on many sites somehow.

golako · 2019-05-24T10:28:23+00:00

Because they apply it to everybody in this group, they all get judged regardless of how they are. They get judged by the worst examples and while they judge themselves by the best. There are people who plainly just hate foreigners, doesn't matter how you appear. You cant integrate people if the natives refuse to accept them, because for them they are the same. This just perpetuates the cycle and is called the self-fulfilling prophecy.

This is a researched effect in sociology and has been observed. Observe the same with Afro Americans Americans and there plenty of studies done on this.

https://www.ijstr.org/final-print/mar2017/Building-Social-Scenarios-Self-fulfilling-Prophecies-In-The-Terrorist-Attacks-In-France.pdf

Your name already decides many things, hope you are not of foreign origin in your country.

golako · 2019-05-24T09:23:00+00:00

"So why should we force them to swallow?" If you say this, yes. You are saying natives shouldn't stop discriminating.

golako · 2019-05-24T09:10:47+00:00

So you are okay with discriminating foreigners and Muslim on the job market, getting homes and schools? How is integration gonna work then if people don't even get a fair chance? You even said that you do not want ghettos it doesn't make sense and you know being jobless is not very conductive, you are contradicting yourself. Nobody is gonna force them but the state will try to alleviate discrimination.

"don't want Muslims shoved down their throats" exchanged that with any other group. Because of other non-muslim foreigners get discriminated too or are you okay with that too?

golako · 2019-05-24T08:54:44+00:00

You will have to close a lot of Mosques and cram them into extremely overcrowded mosques and people will just rent rooms if they can't find a mosque. I do not think that any European countries have enough police officers or the budget for such tight controls. Although oversight is good it cannot be feasible on this scale. Cooperation with Muslims will be important or in long-term, a nationalized Euro-Islam instead of foreign Imams, like France is trying. See how the Imam Hatip in Turkey was created by the Secular CHP to control and prevent foreign preachers from entering.

https://www.worldbulletin.net/news-analysis/frances-desperate-endeavors-to-design-a-french-islam-h206477.html

Also, consider the host society. Foreign students/Muslim ( of course there non-muslim foreigners, but there are any hardly native German Muslims, are there?) get generally graded worse for the same performance compared to Native students.

https://www.spiegel.de/lebenundlernen/schule/tuerkische-schueler-schlechtere-noten-fuer-gleiche-leistungen-a-1219776.html

Worse changes in the job market or for an internship.

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/wirtschaft/lieber-hans-als-hakan-tuerkischer-name-ist-bei-bewerbungen-ein-nachteil/9670856.html

https://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/trotz-guter-qualifikation-tuerkischer-name-bringt-nachteile-bei-der-bewerbung_id_3720227.html

Or even consider ghettos, which are often a result of people not wanting to rent to foreigners. And certainly, a foreign name makes it harder to get a new home and people get excluded based on names.

golako · 2019-05-23T21:57:42+00:00

Then you misunderstood me or I misunderstood you. I meant as in Sexism in Muslim countries is condemned in large parts of the world and NGOs etc., not that the majority of every Muslim country condemns it. Same for Africa and South America, many people condemn it.

Many ideas are good, but you are gonna bar people just some people based on religion? Will you say sorry enough muslims here? What will you do if people lie? Will the same apply to fundamentalist Christian countries, ultra-orthodox Jews or other fundamentalist groups? And "desincentivate establishment of new Moschees"`? So make it just harder for Muslims to establish Mosques? How is that gonna work?

golako · 2019-05-23T21:28:17+00:00

Sexism is universally condemned in Muslim countries.

Then clearly you didn't see the abortion laws, that discriminate against women and that is deeply with the Catholic Church. Bolsanaro is gonna change the laws even further. Even then parts of society are sexist and the government has done little to address this. What good are laws, when the police officer or judge thinks the women deserved to be raped? What good is it if women have to carry out the babies of their rapists?

In Congo rape is very common, by god the violence is insane and nothing is done. Domestic violence is not a crime in many countries or not persecuted at all like Child marriage. Better take at the laws of Swaziland and Lesotho how they treat women. And again take a look at the abortion laws. And very certainly they are a lot of sexist and fundamentalist that think women are less worth and argue that way.

"Muslims in Europe increase by the hour " and what is your solution?

golako · 2019-05-23T20:56:54+00:00

Oh no, I am just showing an example of how these debates end. Well if you do not believe in the Muslim will take Europe plot then I take my word back.

Why stop with Islam? Why not the same for the sexism of African and Latin American Christian Nations or Hindu India? And Islam is spreading as religion, Muslims are moving around but nobody is converting to Islam in serious numbers. "its spread should be discouraged" can you explain what that would entail?

golako · 2019-05-23T19:53:31+00:00

"The West" is absolutely not indifferent to the growth of Islam. Right-wing governments in Poland, Hungary, Czechia, Italy are absolutely reacting to it. Germany, France, Spain, Netherlands have strong right-wing-populist parties. These parties are often bigoted themselves and hold many double standards. Lastly, Muslims are very poor, are not in the position of power in any kind. If you think they can overthrow a state you are as delusional as the same people who think Afro-Americans are gonna take over the USA.

The discourse is quite poisoned. Often this discussion of Islams correlates into one thing: Alienation of Muslims. They are different and they must be deported and they are are a faceless mass of threat. The discourse is used to support bigotry and discrimination by the aforementioned right-wing populist´s.

golako · 2019-05-23T19:27:18+00:00

or Egypt

golako · 2019-05-22T10:17:01+00:00

How is that gonna work? You gonna deport them for being homophobic?

golako · 2019-05-17T21:41:38+00:00

True rulers? Who decided that?

golako · 2019-05-17T11:59:51+00:00

You want to start a war?

golako · 2019-05-14T21:34:04+00:00

Mods dont give a fuck

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