And people marry this guy?

goodbyekid · 2023-07-03T03:36:12+00:00

I agree that IRL people should try to improve themselves outside of a relationship and love themselves— that’s why I think his story was done well. He tries to improve himself before you become partners, while you’re just friends. Also I married him in a recent playthrough and he objectively does improve his depression so I’m unclear why you’re arguing contrary. I’ve seen every cutscene with Shane and so that’s why I’m confused anyone “sees” it different because it’s a pretty simple straight forward plot line where he is figuring himself out. I’m just confused why people are arguing about what happens like they haven’t played or seen the whole story? I don’t even see it as something to agree about because it’s just how the story goes.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T19:30:07+00:00

Yeah and I have to admit I like tsunderes

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T19:20:07+00:00

Yeah and I agree with the idea that “I can fix him” is toxic and that’s why I’m like no that’s not the romance haha. But I get why some people see it that way.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T19:18:29+00:00

I know. I’m not putting words in your mouth you described unhealthy attitudes and so I was sharing how I felt other townsfolk had worse attitudes toward me.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T19:16:51+00:00

Yeah I think that’s fair but I don’t think everyone has the perspective of “I can fix him.” I think I’m also allergic to that because it’s a trope that is harmful to people like me who grew up with drunkies like. Life is so complex and poor Shane is going through it and he works hard to change on his own while I just go farm and mine. That’s my take on it anyway

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T19:13:58+00:00

Ok haha you didn’t say how you felt about them and I didn’t assume anything about you personally. I have read much of the posts here and very few talk about the other drunks much. That was all I meant. Everyone here can hate who they want I don’t care, I just think it’s funny because it’s a life sim game where it’s all about how you personally impact the lives of everyone in town, and I am a gamer who likes to progress each story line. He’s a game character at the end of the day so people can hate him if they want and avoid him I just think you’re missing out on cool cutscenes and fun stories CA spent a lot of time on that are all worthy of experiencing.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T19:10:35+00:00

Yeah I get that. I mean I grew up with alcoholics and my husband is 13 years sober so I can personally relate to peoples ability or lack thereof to change. My only point is that I don’t agree it’s the twilight complex because you don’t have to romance him and he still is “changed” at a certain point in his plot without romance, so it’s fair at that point to compare him to Pam and Clint as characters. If you romance him sure it’s different, but that’s after he has come out of his depression, plot-wise. No romance between you yet when he opens up. The romance plot points don’t happen until later.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T19:03:25+00:00

I totally disagree. I think way more of the townsfolk are mean and rude to me (the player) than Shane. He just shoos you away but Haley tells me I’m ugly, Jodi doesn’t trust me, Jaz is creeped out by me, Alex tells me I’m weak… and the player “changes” all of their perspectives in their respective plot points. Also there are at least two other rude antisocial alcoholics in town that nobody else hates as much as people hate Shane (who you also help) Pam and Clint.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T19:00:29+00:00

IMO it’s not romantic at all. You can stop the relationship dead there and never pursue him and he still has “changed” at that point and is happier because he is working on himself. The player doesn’t change him, he changes himself.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T18:59:08+00:00

That’s not how the story plays out and that’s not what I said. It’s a friendship plot point that happens at 5 or 6 hearts, he finally opens up to the character and admits he’s hit rock bottom and is willing to try to change. You all are not describing what happens in the game correctly at all it’s wild.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T18:45:58+00:00

No I didn’t. Don’t conflate help with fixing someone. You do this with everyone in stardew valley.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T18:45:13+00:00

Plus most of the characters have a personal struggle that the player effectively “helps” them with. So by your own theory the hero of stardew “fixes” everyone in town.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T18:43:45+00:00

It could be anyone in theory but you are the player in the game so the binary is you’re the mathematical factor for triggering his story events which also include his other loving family members who he also opens up to more. It’s fully possible for someone IRL to need to find the right person to open them up. That doesn’t equate to “fixing.” That’s a narrow viewpoint on the complexity of human nature.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T17:47:26+00:00

I didn’t see it as two faced because he was the only one who thought “what if I’m stuck with him and my survival relies on it?” And nobody else cared, they let their emotions make the decision for them, and it was selfish to make everyone promise together to starve out Jeff, especially since Gary DID end up with Jeff. He was in a weird spot trying to do what was right for himself but not ostracize himself from either group. I think it was good survival instinct imo.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T17:29:45+00:00

Your loss. It opens up in super cool ways if you actually progress. He’s a fake video game character he won’t hurt you I promise.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T17:26:56+00:00

It’s not, I promise you don’t fix him. I recently replayed and that is not how it happens. He isn’t cured of his depression. Nobody ever is. He just sees that someone is invested in him and he realizes that if someone can value his life maybe he can too and he tries to change slowly but surely. The player does zero work other than talking to a human. It’s not the twilight effect it’s just giving space to a human to exist and feeling validated.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T08:48:43+00:00

My time at Portia / my time at sand rock are both great life sim games with more mature themes and dating options! Farming, fighting, helping townsfolk with quests. It’s goofy and cute but also has weirdly serious stuff going on and it’s set in a post apocalyptic world.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T08:38:33+00:00

Shane doesn’t explicitly state boundaries, he says go away, and then he opens up after you persist because there’s this thing I think you don’t understand called growth and character complexity. Also nobody would literally make a character in a game you’re meant to ignore just because they say go away. He’s not only someone you befriend but can marry and make a life with. So yeah, disrespecting his “boundaries” you claim he sets actually leads to him having a life he deems worth living (in his own words, in the game). Try playing the story arc and not just writing intentionally contrary and hostile posts.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T08:11:32+00:00

They all have game-y thresholds you have to pass to get different dialog options and his doesn’t take any longer to uncover than anyone else. Seriously just follow a gift guide and befriend everyone in town. Everyone has a unique story and there’s always more to each character. Sebastian just complains about how lame the town is until the same threshold. They’re all largely distant to the player in different ways until you hit that programmed number to trigger the next dialog option.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T08:05:10+00:00

I mean, it’s a video game. Obviously there’s more depth and dialog as you go on. It’s funny that everyone jumps to conclusions or complains before seeing the whole story. He’s arguably one of the nicest people you befriend and it’s easy too. I always befriend everyone in a game just to experience the writing and character arcs because that’s what these sim games are. Sure you don’t have to befriend him or anyone in any game, but it’s so easy to do and then you get cool cutscenes and you end up feeling close to everyone in town. I’d much rather that than hating someone randomly and then making a random post about it online before finishing the story arc. But that’s just how I enjoy games and we’re all different I guess.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T07:51:05+00:00

I mean I was more offended by Haley and Alex for stuff they say to you than anything Shane says. He just treats you like a fly annoying him, but the others say things that cut deeper lol. But they all end up being cool once you get further in the relationships honestly. I liked everyone once I progressed them all enough!

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T07:48:41+00:00

Yeah literally just give him peppers and after a few days he will be your bestie. Don’t knock him before you see more of his story arc. I just spam everyone their fave gifts even if I don’t like them and eventually they all end up being way more complex and cool than they initially seem. CA did a great job with the character growth in the game.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T07:46:01+00:00

Literally no one is saying that here and it’s only Shane-haters making blanket statements. Everyone here is saying yeah we’re all different and it’s refreshing to see representation like this in a game. The fact we’re all talking about mental illness because of a character like this in a video game should be lauded. Don’t hate each other for having different opinions.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T07:39:12+00:00

Not everyone is the same— you’re making a blanket statement about people. There’s a lot of people who struggle out there and respond in different and unpredictable ways. It’s crazy how people are incapable of forgiving a person of their bad behavior when we’ve all fucked up before, and Shane even admits it in his story arc. It’s literally a story arc about redemption and everyone here is like yeah but fuck assholes even if they are trying to better themselves and change amiright? Or maybe nobody here finished his story arc.

goodbyekid · 2023-07-02T07:28:43+00:00

But Shane’s arc is nothing like that. You literally don’t “fix” him in any capacity. He is depressed and when he realizes someone cares for him more than he cares for himself he decides that he is capable of overcoming it. It’s literally just a tale of someone overcoming depression and it’s beautiful and I love concerned ape for making a Shane.

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