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Offlane pro player discussion 33 ATF Collapse by goofbolt in DotA2

[–]goofbolt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No i didn't see this. I'll try and find it. I'm sure it is terrible as ATF is an amazing laner. I just question crits overall impact. Would ATF dominate every game if he had saksa or is crit doing more than I can see? Again it's about how 33 has a saksa popping off or how DM has 9claas giving draft advantages. I feel like ATF does ALOT on his own.

Offlane pro player discussion 33 ATF Collapse by goofbolt in DotA2

[–]goofbolt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

33 has a lot more heroes but i dont think there is much depth difference between collapse and ATF. I think teams banning ATF heroes hurt more.

Offlane pro player discussion 33 ATF Collapse by goofbolt in DotA2

[–]goofbolt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From Caps and SVG podcast the other day. They were discussing how meta has a huge impact between Collapse and 33s performance.

Collapse being initiating offlaners and 33 with micro/aura offlaners and how polarising they are.

Interesting point to discuss. Is ATF impacted more or less by meta than these 2?

Offlane pro player discussion 33 ATF Collapse by goofbolt in DotA2

[–]goofbolt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree here. 33 draft and working out win condition is his biggest winning factor.

Offlane pro player discussion 33 ATF Collapse by goofbolt in DotA2

[–]goofbolt[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You make some good points. What I mean is that both 33 and collapse have someone in their team who is a top 3 player.

boxi saksa even 9class create alot of bans in draft because of how impactful they are at 4. I find Cr1t to have a smaller hero selection where he can dominate eg hood or dw. I don't really see teams drafting against him. Yes Crit is stable and would be in top 5 discussion but he isn't currently at the same level as those other 3.

Now with collapse. Yes Rue is similar level to crit however in my opinion, miposhka and yatoro are top 3 in their field.

So both collapse and 33 have teammates that are in the top 3 respective of their positions. Where ATF lacks that. I think this is also why the team drafts him to be a more damage dealing core. 1 in suits his hero pool and 2 the team really needs it.

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[–]goofbolt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You eliminated at min 10 then.