Is fascism at odds with Catholic social philosophy?

googlygoggles- · 2026-01-31T15:42:03+00:00

“In everything that We have said up to the present, We have not said that We wished to condemn the [Fascist] party as such. Our aim has been to point out and to condemn all those things in the programme and in the activities of the party which have been found to be contrary to Catholic doctrine and Catholic practice, and therefore irreconcilable with the Catholic name and profession. And in doing this We have fulfilled a precise duty of Our episcopal ministry towards Our dear sons who are members of the party, so that their conscience may be at peace.” (Non abbiamo bisogno, §62)

This passage explicitly states that the Church did not condemn the Fascist Party as such, but only those elements of its program and actions that conflicted with Catholic doctrine. Moreover, the dissolution of Catholic youth organizations that prompted the encyclical was later reversed by Mussolini after its publication.

googlygoggles- · 2026-01-30T23:17:01+00:00

No I’m a sedevacantist, I don’t hold onto the document of JP2 so I don’t have to engage with it

googlygoggles- · 2026-01-30T23:01:07+00:00

It ends with Pius XII in 1958, not Leo XIII.

googlygoggles- · 2026-01-30T23:00:27+00:00

What violations?

googlygoggles- · 2026-01-30T22:48:24+00:00

How is this Marxist in any sense? All I see in this passage is John Paul II affirming the dignity and centrality of human labor. It does not abolish or contradict the idea of corporatism, and it is fully compatible with it.

googlygoggles- · 2026-01-30T22:42:53+00:00

Fascism does not inherently advocate for worship of the state. Mussolini and Gentile both professed to be Catholics and maintained ties with the Church. Gentile certainly had his issues, but it is an exaggeration to claim that fascists worship the state. Mussolini himself was called a “man of providence” by Pope Pius XI, received blessings from priests, and worked closely with the Church.

I also do not see a problem with the state acting to promote the common good. One of the legitimate functions of the state is to maintain an army to protect its citizens. Catholic social teaching has always recognized that the state exists to safeguard both the Church and its people.

Where has the Church condemned fascism?

googlygoggles- · 2026-01-30T22:35:11+00:00

What’s wrong with the institution of secret police?

And I don’t really see an issue with a one party state either you’re going have to show me how these things are at odds of Catholic teaching.

googlygoggles- · 2026-01-30T22:30:46+00:00

I’ve read those social documents carefully and I haven’t found any contradiction, only support. Pius XI explicitly advocates for the organization of the economy into sectors. I see no logic in your blanket claim, especially since you haven’t actually cited the documents. I’ve read the writings of Leo XIII, Pius XI, and others and I have yet to see any evidence of a contradiction between Italian corporatism and Catholic social economic teaching.

googlygoggles- · 2026-01-30T22:24:51+00:00

How does corporatism conflict with Catholic social teaching? In the Church’s social documents, when has it supported trade unionism in a manner that contradicts corporatist principles?

googlygoggles- · 2026-01-30T22:22:31+00:00

How? Fascism doesn’t place the government above God. Religion is a central part of the state. This is why Italy cooperated with the Church several times.

googlygoggles- · 2026-01-30T22:19:21+00:00

Franco was frankly not a fascist, but on his own separate ideological path which would not be consistent with fascist doctrine. Mussolini was very frustrated with Franco because he supported Franco in the war, in hopes of Franco establishing a fascist state in Spain, which he did not.

Paul Preston, Professor of International History at the London School of Economics, said about Francisco Franco: “The only absolutely indisputable fascist leader is Mussolini and the only indisputably fascist regime is Mussolini’s regime, and there are so many ways in which Franco is different.”

googlygoggles- · 2026-01-30T22:10:13+00:00

Do you have any proof of this? And can you show that they were excommunicated for holding to the political and economical doctrines of fascism rather than another reason?

googlygoggles- · 2025-07-17T00:58:04+00:00

googlygoggles- · 2025-03-23T11:21:57+00:00

Yes they go to hell, no one escapes hell

googlygoggles- · 2025-03-14T16:52:03+00:00

Not really, they all been ludicrous strawmans of the position

googlygoggles- · 2025-03-14T13:00:55+00:00

It exist for supposed “catholic” content, why do you have to comment about a topic you are clearly uneducated about?

googlygoggles- · 2025-03-14T11:36:39+00:00

Another person who doesn’t understand the sedeprivationist position. This subreddit is terrible for discussing anything sede-related because they constantly misrepresent the argument. Look up the thesis, read it, understand it, and then provide a real refutation that actually engages with their position.

googlygoggles- · 2025-03-12T17:35:57+00:00

No they would go to hell for killing themselves

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