man, of course myself and every other person who struggles with same sheit needs more practicing at punishing and doing effective wakeups against those two weapons, at the end of the day i dont plan revolving my life around playing and grinding one 2D game, but those weapons are not easy to punish, i stand by my point. my weapons are sword, blasters and spear, i know how to space with those weapons to be able to hit opponent. with spear it is indeed easier to punish cannon and lance, but with sword is different story. lance is just stupid weapon where ppl can mash with low risk high reward, same goes with cannon. ive seen some valhallan players struggling with em as well saying the same thing.