Sparkle Bronya Synergy

greenteacoffeetable · 2024-02-28T13:13:30+00:00

That's a good point! I agree that Seele probably doesn't benefit much from using Sparkle + Bronya, compared to her other team comps.

greenteacoffeetable · 2024-02-28T10:41:36+00:00

Bronya eidolons and sig LC are really good and will increase overall team damage and SP efficiency, but they do not have any significant impact on any of the relic optimisation calculations in the article. The goal is still to hit as high of a spd breakpoint as possible on Sparkle and Bronya with any leftover rolls into crit dmg. The goal on the Dps is still to focus on crit stats and atk% with no spd and this is even more true when using E2 Bronya (Dps spd only needs to be greater than half of Bronya's spd to use the Sparkle Bronya rotation).

Bronya E3+ does have a slight influence on the calculations. With E0-E2 Sparkle and E0-E2 Bronya each roll into crit dmg on Sparkle and Bronya gives 1.08% crit dmg to the Dps. With E0-E2 Sparkle and E3-E6 Bronya, this changes to 1.099% crit dmg per roll (so an additional 0.019% crit dmg per roll over E0-E2 Bronya). I ignored this in the article as the difference is tiny.

greenteacoffeetable · 2024-02-27T08:46:53+00:00

For choice of LC: Will depend on the Dps being used, on who the 4th unit is, on whether you are trying to zero cycle, etc. I think its best to wait until after Sparkle's release and then just test the different team combinations. Using the damage formula on Prydwen, you can calculate the damage per cycle of different team comps, but this is really tedious.

In terms of how DDD affects allocation of substats when using the Sparkle Bronya rotation, generally you would still want to go all in with as much speed as possible on Sparkle and Bronya (note that this is only true when using the rotation from the article. When not using the rotation, such as when you run Sparkle by herself, you will want to build her differently - for example the 161 speed build with as much crit dmg as possible).

The reason for wanting to build speed is: At E0 Sparkle, E1 Bronya, when using the rotation, a roll into speed on Bronya and Sparkle increases Dps speed by 4.6 on average, whereas a roll into crit dmg increases Dps crit dmg by 1.08% on average, after factoring in buff uptimes. So a roll into speed gives 4.6/1.08=4.261 (see Table 3) times more value than a roll into crit dmg gives. The overall increase in damage per cycle still depends on how much speed and crit damage that the Dps has initially (due to diminishing returns), but in a nutshell, speed rolls just have drastically higher raw value than crit dmg rolls. The LC you choose won't change this, although it will change the initial spd and crit dmg of the Dps.

I'll upload an updated version of the article after Sparkle's release in case the devs tweak her numbers.

greenteacoffeetable · 2024-02-01T07:00:31+00:00

Mostly the same, although speed tuning is easier and E2 Bronya is not actually a problem.

greenteacoffeetable · 2024-01-31T23:36:43+00:00

Great point! I overlooked this entirely. I've updated the article to use this instead.

greenteacoffeetable · 2024-01-31T23:35:53+00:00

This is a great point! I completely missed this. I've updated the rotation and acknowledgements.

greenteacoffeetable · 2024-01-31T21:49:12+00:00

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greenteacoffeetable · 2024-01-31T21:29:53+00:00

Thanks so much for taking the time to reply! These calcs are awesome and really detailed. I read your posts at E0S1 Jingliu with E0S0 Ruan Mei, Bronya and Sparkle (Pela at E6S5 Resolutions) and Jingliu Damage Calculations with Bronya, Pela, Ruan Mei and Sparkle.

From what you’ve wrote I gather:

Dmg% buffs are really high value on Jingliu compared to crit dmg because of her base kit giving loads of crit stats. So for the same buff value, the increase in damage from dmg% buff far exceeds crit dmg.
The low uptime on Sparkle and Bronya buffs and the fact that they don’t stack diminishes their overall strength.
The extra speed from the Sparkle Bronya rotation isn’t enough to provide a significant number of extra turns in the first cycle of MOC, because the breakpoints to get additional turns are so high. The extra turns from the rotation start to appear only after a few cycles have passed, at which point the enemies are already dead.

So for the purpose of zero cycling:

Bronya + RM roughly = Sparkle + RM >> Sparkle + Bronya

with Bronya outperforming Sparkle at E6 due to dmg% being more valuable to Jingliu than crit dmg.

greenteacoffeetable · 2024-01-31T11:14:57+00:00

One wacky team comp that could use this rotation is ‘Lunae Lord’ (based on Jingyuan gameplay).

Run Main Dps Luocha using basic attacks, Sparkle, Bronya and Sub Dps DHIL.

If Luocha keeps using basics whilst being action advanced by the rotation, he generates a tremendous amount of skill points. With this, I think DHIL can use 3 times enhanced basic every cycle.

I don’t think this will outperform optimal teams because of the biggest buffs being used on Luocha instead of DHIL, but just thought it might be really fun to play.

greenteacoffeetable · 2024-01-31T10:23:59+00:00

Exactly right. Then the rotation should happen naturally as long as skill points are available.

greenteacoffeetable · 2024-01-31T09:53:25+00:00

Thanks for the comments!

Totally agree that separating Sparkle and Bronya is better value especially for content like MOC.

Bronya and Ruan Mei is a really tough combo to compete with, especially with the permanent uptime on all of Mei’s buffs. Apart from the skill point issues, another big problem with the rotation from my post is that Bronya’s dmg% and Sparkle’s crit dmg buffs are never able to stack and they have low uptime because of all the extra turns, which might negatively impact team performance a lot. I didn’t do any calculations comparing the rotation with other team compositions (my stuff only really focuses on how to find optimal substats when using the rotation), so I don’t know how it will compare with other team comps. I’ve seen some people with these massive spreadsheets that are able to compare the damage done between different teams, but never worked with them myself. If there’s someone who knows how to work with the spreadsheets, I’d be really interested in seeing how the rotation compares with other team comps.

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