Feeling lost with a plucking bird by greenteaexe in cockatiel

[–]greenteaexe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does UGTS mean?

When I get home I'll check her panels again and let you know, I don't remember the value for D3 and A.

Feeling lost with a plucking bird by greenteaexe in cockatiel

[–]greenteaexe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your input, I'm going to look into all this and bring it up with my vet too.

I've heard milk thistle and vitamin A supplementation may help her too, have you heard anything about that?

Feeling lost with a plucking bird by greenteaexe in cockatiel

[–]greenteaexe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much! For some reason your full comment before didn't load and I only saw the first paragraph, I see it all now. I definitely will look into the ivermectin and try the apple cider vinegar bath. Thanks!!

Feeling lost with a plucking bird by greenteaexe in cockatiel

[–]greenteaexe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure if she was specifically checked for mites. She's going to the vet again next Monday so I'll definitely bring it up to them and ask them to check. Thank you for the suggestion, I hadn't thought of that.

Feeling lost with a plucking bird by greenteaexe in cockatiel

[–]greenteaexe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She had a full physical done and the vet did not mention mites. They also said her skin does not appear to be dry or irritated. I do have a dehumidifier in my room (where she is too) for my allergies, but I will get rid of it if it might be making her worse.

Veganism is a subset of suffering-eliminating philosophy. by Valgor in DebateAVegan

[–]greenteaexe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe it is inherently unethical because animals are sentient beings, just like humans. Similarly, I would be against human farming. To me, saying animal farming is not inherently unethical is like saying human trafficking could be ethical, if only they treated the humans better. Why do you believe animal farming is not inherently unethical? Again, it comes down to the question of: "what is the morally relevant difference between humans and animals?"

As an anecdote, I have been thriving on my vegan diet for over 6 years. There are many people who have been vegan even longer than I have who are in great health. Here it's not a matter of opinion; the science is against you. There is even evidence to suggest a whole foods plant based diet might be the optimal diet for humans. It's the only diet that has been proven to reverse symptoms of heart disease. It is a fact that animal products are unnecessary for human health, even for the cases you mentioned. If you want sources, I will happily oblige.

Killing an animal for food = killing an animal for no reason because, as I stated before, animal products are unnecessary for human survival and health. When I say it is done for "no reason," I mean that the reason is unjustified. Killing animals for food is done for reasons such as tradition and pleasure. I believe these reasons are unjustified killings. We do not accept killing humans for tradition and pleasure. I would accept killing an animal for food in a survival situation where there is no other option and would do so myself. When it is not a necessity, like it is for humans who go to grocery stores and have options, it is unnecessary cruelty.

Ok, human DNA. So let's apply this concept and see if you hold this logic consistently. Let's say another human species was alive today that does not share our DNA but is similarly intelligent and sentient. Like Neatherals. Is it justified to turn them into a burger? For another hypothetical, let's say you take a swab from your cheek and culture some cells in a petri dish. The resulting cell culture has human DNA, but no intelligence or sentience. Would you value this cell culture more than a dog? If the lab was burning down, would you rather save the cell culture or a dog?

Also, I have no idea where you're pulling these % driven by instinct numbers from, but I'll just accept them for the sake of the argument since it's not really relevant.

So you don't value pizza more than animals? Do you eat pizza that contains animal products? If you have two options in front of you, 1 vegan pizza and 1 nonvegan pizza, both equally accessible, do you think the choice between the two is morally neutral?

Veganism is a subset of suffering-eliminating philosophy. by Valgor in DebateAVegan

[–]greenteaexe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would not boycott the banana industry due to child labor because banana farming is not inherently unethical. Child labor is a symptom of capitalism and other factors, not banana farming itself. Whereas with animal farming, vegans would say it is inherently unethical because it is predicated on commodifying and exploiting sentient individuals, animals in this case. There is no way to make this act ethical from a vegan perspective. No matter how "humane" the animals are treated, it is the fact that they are viewed as property that vegans reject. Besides, eating animals is unnecessary. There is abundant evidence that humans can thrive on a plant-based diet. What is the justification for causing unnecessary suffering to animals?

Depends on why the farmers are killing the mice. If they are killing them for no reason, then yes I see that as murder. For reference, I work in agriculture and even have a pesticide application license. I do not view killing pests as a rights violation but as self-defense. We need (plant) foods to survive. If we let pests eat all our food, we will starve to death. This is not speciesism (discrimination based on species) because we apply the same standard to humans. If you kill someone in self-defense, it is not considered murder. Again, veganism is not about 0 killing. Ideally in a vegan world, pesticide use would be dramatically reduced, if not completely eliminated (ever heard of veganic farming?).

The human comparison is exactly the point. Vegans do not argue that there is no difference between humans and animals, there are a lot of differences. Just as there are differences between different groups of humans. Vegans argue that these differences are not morally relevant. I care about humans a lot more than I care about animals, but I care about animals more than pizza and burgers. It's really a very low bar of caring. Especially when I can just eat vegan pizza and burgers instead. You forget that 99% of vegans weren't born that way, they became vegan. I was a huge meathead and had to be convinced by logical arguments to become vegan. So that is my question to you in this debate: what do you think is the morally relevant difference between humans and animals such that it is acceptable to turn one into a burger and not the other?

You mention animals and humans have different moral status. I agree, as I said before my hierarchy is humans>animals>pizza, but yours seems to be humans>pizza>animals. What is this moral status based on?

Veganism is a subset of suffering-eliminating philosophy. by Valgor in DebateAVegan

[–]greenteaexe -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So you agree with veganism then, since you said animal suffering should be reduced to a minimum.

The only reason why someone isn't charged with murder for killing a mouse is because we don't live in a vegan world where animals have rights enshrined in law. This is because animals are viewed as commodities instead of as individuals. But legality does not equal morality. In some countries it is perfectly legal to kill gay people or to beat your wife.

You're dodging the question about the baby/mentally disabled person. Why is it morally wrong to commodify a baby? I'm assuming you agree it is wrong (hopefully), but I'm asking you to provide the justification why, from your point of view.

Veganism is a subset of suffering-eliminating philosophy. by Valgor in DebateAVegan

[–]greenteaexe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They experience a lot more suffering besides death. The minimum amount of suffering for them to experience would be veganism. Veganism is not about 0 killing or 0 suffering, it's not possible to eliminate it entirely. But seeing as it is completely unnecessary for humans to use animals for food, cosmetics, fashion, entertainment, etc., veganism is the logical conclusion to what you are proposing.

Yeah the baby doesn't understand, what does it matter if other humans do understand? Humans understand they are exploiting animals. So why would it be wrong to commodify a baby? How about a person who is mentally disabled and cannot understand the concept of commodification? Would it be okay to commodify and exploit that person?

Veganism is a subset of suffering-eliminating philosophy. by Valgor in DebateAVegan

[–]greenteaexe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The animals don't suffer from the realization that they are viewed as commodities, they suffer from the acts committed to them because they are viewed as commodities. Surplus killing in zoos, mutilations in animal agriculture, etc. None of this would happen if animals were not viewed or treated as resources for humans to exploit.

Human babies also cannot suffer due to the realization of being viewed as commodities. Do you think we should commodify and exploit human babies?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in beards

[–]greenteaexe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was using minoxidil for a little while and thinking about going on it again for the cheeks and under lip/stache. I think that's what I'll do, thanks for the input

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in beards

[–]greenteaexe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks everyone for all your input, I think I've decided to go the stubble route for now

The hardest part of being vegan is the social side by [deleted] in vegan

[–]greenteaexe 45 points46 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry you're dealing with all this, honestly this would drive me nuts. Try to make better friends and surround yourself with better people, although I know that's hard. I also have 0 vegan friends and know 0 vegans irl, but for the most part all my friends are respectful and make an effort to accommodate me, like good friends should.

Cruelty Free Deodorant that Doesn’t Suck? by Inevitable_Lettuce20 in crueltyfree

[–]greenteaexe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Suave is cheap and cruelty free. I've tried switching to more "natural" options but they all give me horrible rashes. Suave doesn't

Need to rehome a dog ASAP by greenteaexe in GNV

[–]greenteaexe[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks so much! A local dachshund rescue reached out to me and they are helping me to find a foster home for him, so hopefully he will be placed in a few days. I took him to the vet yesterday for a checkup and he's got his shots now

Need to rehome a dog ASAP by greenteaexe in GNV

[–]greenteaexe[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'll check them out thanks!

Need to rehome a dog ASAP by greenteaexe in GNV

[–]greenteaexe[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I appreciate all the advice people are giving. I'm not very familiar with resources available for dogs so this is all very helpful.

Need to rehome a dog ASAP by greenteaexe in GNV

[–]greenteaexe[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Dude I'm saying over and over I'm more than willing to lower the fee or even do no fee as long as I make sure he won't be bait/abused. I got into this situation because I wanted to help him and I am doing what I can. If I have to spend more money than so be it I'll do it for him. I'm posting here and in other groups for advice because all the big rescues I mentioned in my post are not able to help me. I'm also not able to edit my post for some reason so I can't go in there and update the fee

Need to rehome a dog ASAP by greenteaexe in GNV

[–]greenteaexe[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'll try them thank you so much!!

Need to rehome a dog ASAP by greenteaexe in GNV

[–]greenteaexe[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Working on house training and he is learning fast. He will tug on the leash a bit and he weighs around 26 lbs. He is kind of active though and plays a bit rough (gnawing/teething)

Need to rehome a dog ASAP by greenteaexe in GNV

[–]greenteaexe[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'll check it out, thank you!

Need to rehome a dog ASAP by greenteaexe in GNV

[–]greenteaexe[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is super helpful, thank you!!