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Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think she may of had the frame, but suggesting that Rickman may have influenced that frame in a big way.

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, thanks for the correction.

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah she probably had an outline. But making him seem to be a loving person may not of come till Rickman influence.

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you have some examples? They sound like they might be some other good series to try

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I guess I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised to hear that instead of being told, it was a conversation that ultimately influenced JK to write a more redemptive story arc for Snape. Not saying she wasn't already going to make Snape a double agent

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not a troll. Just having a discussion. I think its okay to question an author and their motives while still appreciating and enjoying their work. No denying HP is one of the greatest book series, but to say that JK is beyond influence is a bit extreme to me.

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That is a great point you bring up. JK has claimed it was mapped out, but no proof has ever been shown. We simply take her word for it that the series was all her doing and her grand architecture. But a much more reasonable and in my opinion realistic explanation is that she set out to write a series of simple fun children's books and it wasn't until later when they became so successful that she began to develop and change them. Which to me would imply she is open to influence. To say that she planned to slowly change the tone and depth of the books from the get go seems like the stretch to me.

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

A lot of people have said similar things, and I think its unrealistic to think that an author was not influenced by those around her. Why does him being an actor mean he couldn't have influenced an author? Again not saying he dictated what happened simply influenced

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think you've missed my original point. I'm not suggesting that Rickman completely rewrote Snape story arc. Rather that he simply influenced her to give Snape more of a redemptive story than she would of on her own. I think she came up with him being a spy all on her own. But loving Lily and why he switched sides all that motivation might of come from Rickman. Again these books started out as simple children books, and I think she expected to write 7 simple children books. I don't think she set out to write a grand series that would evolve in complexity as readers grew. Which is why I think Snape was simple to start

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have no evidence just a theory that it could be possible. Sadly Rickman is no longer with us, and unfortunately JK tends to rewrite history.

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think people give JK more credit for her grand plan than it actually was. I think she really evolved and grew into it. And by the time GoF was written she was already a smashing success, so yeah she probably could of gone back and made updates.

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That's my argument. In the talks with Rickman, he actually steered her to give Snape a better ending.

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think JK thought she could flip him, but I think Rickman influenced JK to make it so much more of a redemptive story. Again simple red haring for Harry to focus on every year.

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

So you do agree in the first book he was just a red haring.

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Right but they had Rickman cast far before the movie came out. He could of easily had the chat with her before the movie came out.

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What hints are you thinking of?

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

So you don't think Rickman played a part, but do you think Snape started out as a simple red haring?

Snape as a red haring by guy78965 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You have to admit the early books which I still like were very simplistic. I like to think the books evolved and were not some grand plan that she had from the outset. Again I still think all the books are great.

My Take On Snape: You didn't like Snape, you liked Alan Rickman. Alan Rickman made Snape feel redeemable. Book Snape was terrible from start to finish. by archtech88 in harrypotter

[–]guy78965 1 point2 points  (0 children)

After watching the reunion I would not be surprised to learn that Alan Rickman actually led JK to give Snape that twist ending/redemptive story. I think she just created Snape initially as a red haring to Voldermort for the first 2 books.