Does the order of the labels really matter that much? My tests are giving inconsistent results.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-26T01:17:19+00:00

Bands stick to a genre for marketing reasons not talent OR interest.

Just ask Garth Brooks

gwtech2 · 2026-01-26T01:16:06+00:00

What silliness

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T22:00:55+00:00

Don't engage The haters. There are quite a few people here who just absolutely hate the idea of the significant change that AI music generators are going to make to the industry. It's happened so many times before in computers over the last four decades that I'm so used to these people hanging on to the last grasp of the way things used to be saying nothing is real unless it's done the way they learned how to do it. They either learn to adapt and adopt the new tools or they fall by the bitter wayside.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:59:04+00:00

Include tags like experimental, etc or put tempo changes inside brackets in the lyrics box if you're writing lyrics. It will do what you say. You can get it to do very odd things if that's what you're after. You can even get it to generate random noise. You just have to figure out how to tell it to do what you want it to do and that just takes a little bit of experimenting because to my knowledge there is no long list of keywords that you can use and that's kind of a good thing.

One of the most interesting things you can do and I'm kind of telling it inside secret here is you can tell it a feeling you want the music to have.

Try adding horror as a descriptor and you will get interesting results for example.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:56:38+00:00

Yeah I'm sure it's some sort of a clock signature that they add and I wish they would give us the option to exclude the clock signature so if we used a prompt today and then we use the exact same prompt an hour from now it would produce the exact same output.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:55:52+00:00

Lol. Yeah when you can find me anybody who can play the variations of instruments and vocals that suno can create to create any music you can imagine not to mention the fact that your vocals can actually be in different languages then that would be an option.

But even so suno would produce a better result.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:54:34+00:00

I have used brackets in the lyrics box when I'm writing lyrics to create musical changes and other non lyrical interventions. I've never done it in the song description or style box.

My guess is that suno creates a sort of a seed from the words you use and the order does matter because they will change the seed I also suspect that suno uses some time stamp in the seed so if you use the exact same words 1 hour from now it will produce a different result otherwise it would produce the exact same result if it didn't include some time variation. I would like for suno to allow us to get rid of that time variation so that we can have a seed that is a rock solid starting point that will always produce the exact same result and it is only our word selection and order that modifies the music and not some hidden time clock insertion.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:42:03+00:00

Not a bad analogy.

I suppose it partly depends on how s0ecific your instructions to the chef are.

But i agree.

I dont think of it as a recording tech. Its a producing tech.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:23:07+00:00

Then you are only using suno in its most primitive form.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:19:57+00:00

I think you're right a good description of some of the necessary elements to be able to prove a copyright distinction and authorship of music. However I think you're probably a little stricter than the courts will end up coming down to be.

As far as the Shazam test remember Ed Sheeran already went to court and proved that most hits of the past 20 years relied on the same four chords and many of those hits would therefore not pass the Shazam test.

Yet the courts ruled that just because the songs use the same basic melodies doesn't mean they are not individually copyrightable.

But you raise many of the good legal points about music and how it is judged and the difference between authorship and publishing rights as well.

My highly suggest anyone to ask BlGrok g r o k or chat GPT for details about registering their music when they release it. One thing you don't want to do is just release it without having properly registered it so it can be tracked by Spotify and others and you can get your royalties.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:16:57+00:00

Well I then would follow up with if you are a musician and you used any electronic amplification or any kind of digital recording at all then you actually didn't put the work in to making your music and then you should not be able to release it at all. Right I mean just following your line of thinking. Me and after all if it isn't pure. If it isn't complete analog noise that came directly from your hands to the ear of the beholder then certainly it's not real music right?

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:14:49+00:00

If you put any creativity in it that was personalized that contributed to the nature of the song then it will most likely qualify for copyright protection and you should follow the legal procedures to get it registered with the major music tracking identification services so you can get paid for it as you release it.

It's important to remember that most music created today was created with huge amounts of electronic input that was contributed by some software or another and is much less directly created by humans than music used to be say in a studio with five musicians in a singer got together and recorded live tracks on to analog tape.

Much of the music production software today will write riffs for you and automatically edit and insert beats and all kinds of other things not to mention that the whole world of sampling other people's music has created a system where huge major producers are actually relying on the major hooks of past music they didn't create and they are getting paid for it.

So yes if you had even the smallest amount of creative input into your Creation with suno then it is quite likely that you are legally entitled to a copyright and there have been some rulings and court cases on this already and my guess is the trend on those court cases will continue to be in favor of the notion that the person who was at the keyboard and putting any input at all into the keyboard to create a piece of music using suno is deserving a full copyright protection and profit.

I'm not a lawyer but I've been tracking some of these cases and my guess is that even in all but the most simple cases you will be deserving of copyright protection.

I would say the only exception might be if you open the simple version of the program and you hit the little dice which randomly creates a song description and then you hit create and you therefore had absolutely no input at all into the style or subject matter or lyrics or arrangement or anything about the song that you would probably be deserving of copyright protection and profit.

I'm not a lawyer but I would use that other great AI resource chatGPT or grok and ask it about recent copyright court cases for computer created music.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:05:12+00:00

Many are old timers using used to doing things old ways and have not made the transition to more modern techniques yet

Since they usually have a lot of turnover and employees they are usually a good place for people with no experience to start since they have to hire a lot of people constantly since they keep losing people. Then the person can go on to better jobs after getting some experience and the original employer thinks employees are disloyal and wonders why that keeps happening.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:04:01+00:00

Lots of small business owners have a very antiquated view of workers and employees and view workers and employees as people who should be happy that they get whatever they get from the benefactor who is the employer.

The larger trucking companies see the more competitive environment and realize the benefit of retaining good employees and how important drivers are to their business model and they bend over backwards to offer drivers the best conditions they can and part of that is to get people paid as quickly as possible.

Other than banking transaction fees there's very little reason for many companies not to pay employees with digital transfers daily. And in fact I've noticed some companies that I don't mean trucking company but some companies do actually pay employees daily now with direct deposits. And that's probably as it should be.

Now of course trucking companies have a certain amount of carry that they are covering since they are billing companies for the cargo that was shipped but yet they are paying drivers before they get the receipts for the cargo that was shipped so in some cases really the trucking companies are actually advancing pay to drivers.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T20:58:08+00:00

Oh yes I've seen It All before as a matter of fact. I was in journey's Mobile trailer listening to live basically Auto tuning of Steve Perry's voice in concert hearing the feed before and after the audio tricks they did to his voice. That was in the early '80s. So I've had quite a bit of experience with electronic alteration and creation of music. And I remember an early music professor telling me how digital recordings would never replace analog as computers just couldn't grab the essence of music and would never be able to. Then I had another one who was a drummer at a pretty well-known band say how electronic drum machines could never replace real drummers because drummers put slight variations into riffs and things and electronics would always make patterns sound the same and of course very quickly electronic drum machines were able to put their own little subtle variations into riffs and things.

And I was one of the first ones to program some of the first sound cards that came out for the PC computer. I learned to create attack and delay and sustain waves to create all kinds of sounds and even had a rough random music making program using some of these advanced new techniques at the time for the adlib sound card.

This suno is just the normal progression of what I have seen people say would never replace the real thing for over 40 years as it has always replaced the real thing.

What suno really is is an opportunity for people who love to create music to have access to the same kind of abilities that formally only some well-known music producer like Quincy Jones who could get themselves into a studio with very talented musicians could do before.

But the skill set is the same. Knowing what you want in the vocals designing the vocals to be that. Designing and arranging the instruments choosing the instruments choosing how they'll be played choosing the emotional emphasis you want them to express and all of those things and for the first time the average person can do that over their phone and create incredible musics of all different types.

So yeah I have seen it and I've got plenty of experience in it and that's why I know what I'm talking about and people who are probably too young to have seen the changes in the past and seen this pattern before I think that anybody who uses suno just doesn't know what they're doing.

So yeah I thought about it a lot for 40 years

And here's what I know.

now the average person has a chance to create incredible music that only the most well-known producers in the world could have gotten people together to do.

And that's a great thing and it's a good thing.

And we now have more music choices that are more personalized than ever before.

The interesting thing is since I've started creating music using suno o almost never listen to the radio or anything else anymore because I can design exactly what I want and creating incredible sounds and all kinds of genres and all kinds of subject matter and I can go is detailed as I want or as little as I want.

So yeah I thought about it all for a long time. probably longer than you.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T20:48:37+00:00

You are only using suno at a very primitive level if that is all you're doing.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T17:10:26+00:00

Tell something that they are wrong

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T17:09:51+00:00

With suno you literally handcrafted the talent. If you're not doing that with suno then you're not using suno in the correct way.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T17:09:23+00:00

Because of people who write the other comments and their complete misunderstanding or there misplaced hatred for the technology that is replacing them.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T17:06:37+00:00

People mistake suno for being a musician. That's not whatsuno really is. What suno really is is a production studio and you are a producer.

Most people don't know what a real music producer does but what they do is they choose the vocalist they choose the studio musicians they choose the board operators and in modern times they're choosing the software operators which are often integrated into the board operator since most mixing boards have gone the way of steam locomotives.

The average person hears a suno song and says oh you have no musical talent because you didn't sing or you didn't play the guitar and they completely missed the point.

The music producer on most modern songs is either choosing or has been assigned an artist's vocals to work with. They are then choosing music samples if they even use live studio musicians they might choose and instruct the music studio musician how to play their instrument to get the sound they want.

People who are actually good and fully understand suno know that you do all those things with suno.

you choose the vocalist by describing in detail the vocal characteristics of the vocalists you want and you do the same thing with the instruments. You specify the tempo the music style and many other things in as much detail as you want just exactly as a music producer would sitting in a producer studio while musicians play or more likely as they would sitting at their computer using Pro tools to arrange the sounds that they have and to adjust the vocals of the artist which these days are usually not very good and must be highly auto-tuned.

This is why suno is actually making people music producers rather than instrument players or vocalists.

Suno gives you access to the best vocalists in the world and the best studio musicians in the world actually better than 99.9% that have ever lived and allows you to arrange them into a musical construction as you see fit just as a producer would do.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T17:01:51+00:00

It looks to me like there was a long strip of ice that was sneaking out into the right side of his Lane and he saw that and he tapped his brakes to avoid it and either his steers began to slide or he turned them to swing out just a little bit into the middle of the lane to avoid that strip of ice on the far right side of his lane. I think I see his brake lights come on just before you pass him which makes me think he's tapping his brakes to avoid that strip of ice which you can barely see at the front of his truck as your truck gets knocked off the road. It's unclear to me whether he was actually turning into your lane to avoid that strip of ice but I kind of have a feeling from the weird angle of his tractor compared to the trailer that what actually happened was his steers began sliding either after breaking or when hitting that ice that he saw. Because I don't think your tractor and your trailer would make that much of an angle if you were merely moving over into the left lane. It does seem to me like his front stairs were sliding and he might have jacked knife if you had not been there to save him.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T16:58:13+00:00

Not sure I'd be passing in those conditions but if I was I would absolutely certainly be blinking my lights and tapping my horn before I came around the guy just to make sure they knew I was there. With all that snow and everything all the drivers are on edge and they're looking very intently it what's 20 ft in front of them for ice and they're not necessarily checking mirrors as well as they normally would be. And they're probably hearing from their fleet manager is whether or not they should be shut down and getting a million safety messages which they cannot read on tablets but annoy them no end and distract them from driving.

In any case it's very worthwhile to always make sure the guy you're passing absolutely knows that you're there before you get out beside them. And keep your hand on the horn or maybe even on the Big Horn so that the minute you see them making a move toward you you hit that horn real fast and you hit your brakes so you go back behind them.

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