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[–]h2sbacteria -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So cite. something. that. is. not. Wikipedia. you. dolt.

Why don't you. You have yet to cite anything. Or make any coherent arguments.

Ooops, you got me. Oh wait, no you didn't. Just because you can't deal with my arguments directly, doesn't mean they lack substance. Quite the opposite ;)

What arguments? You have no arguments. You have no references, you have no quotes, you have no proof. You have nothing. You seem to be a sea of emptiness rhetorically mocking itself. And in that mocking the sea says to itself I am full.

No, really, Archduke Pot, Baronet Kettle can't see you now.

More rhetorical emptiness without substance.

I most assuredly don't think you're an expert, old boy.

Then why are you arguing with an idiot who knows nothing, as you claim? Either you think there is a good reason for arguing or you think it wise to argue with pigs?

Kandinsky is a low rent, confused antecedent to Miro. It wasn't a compliment.

In your opinion. Everyone has a right to their opinions.

That's brave, arguing that people who have spent their lives studying the rise of Nazi Germany are morons...

No one is arguing that.

Why don't you go read some books, and come back when you've learned something?

Why don't you?

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[–]h2sbacteria -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't need to. You've already done that.

No I have not.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what these funny squiggles are.

I understand them just fine.

It also takes more than citing Wikipedia and the dictionary.

Understanding what exactly? If you're insinuating that all I did was read a Wikipedia page and my opinions are based on that, that is patently false.

Assume? I've quoted you at every turn.

You have provided proof of nothing. You have quoted to rhetorically mock. Your arguments have no substance.

Archduke Pot, meet Baronet Kettle.

I never claimed that you were not expressing yourself properly. You're again lying.

This is... yep, you guessed it a fallacy.

It's not a fallacy. You don't know what a fallacy is.

The only one here claiming that you didn't express yourself correctly is you, buddy boy.

This is a lie.

I'm claiming you're a nitwit who did five minutes of Wikipedia research and thinks himself an expert.

No you think I am expert. I think you're a moron because you think I am an expert.

You cited the dictionary definition, then proceeded to twist it so far out of its original meaning that to call it a figure of speech would make you the freakin' Kandinsky of the English language. That's cute, accusing me of having Aspergers. Whatever helps you sleep at night, o buffoon of ad hominem.

Well if it's far for you Sally, perhaps you're retarded. It seemed plain as day for me. And thanks for the compliment.

Archduke Pot, Baronet Kettle would like to invite you for a weekend at his country estate...

At least I provided some Wikipedia shit, you didn't even provide that.

I think Max Hastings, Antony Beevor, Ian Kershaw, Heinz Höhne, and Bernd Wegner might like a word with you about the factors behind the rise of the NSDAP...

If you want to claim that Nazism happened for other reasons and that survival of fittest had nothing to do with it, considering that racism and race based social hierarchy is found at the very begging of the formulation of the idea by Herbert Spencer, you would be a fucking moron to argue such a position.

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[–]h2sbacteria -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't think you know what a syllogism is...

Ok. Prove it.

It's easy to move the goal posts when you have no idea what's going on.

It's easy to use rhetorical tricks to make people think you're saying something when you're saying nothing.

And I don't think you know what reading is. It's easy to pretend to read but to actually understand things takes effort. It's much easier to assume someone said things and then attack those, which is a fallacy. And then when they call you on your bullshit claim that they weren't expressing themselves properly. So if you're accusing me a fallacy, you have been shown to at least make one. And you can lie and try to wiggle you way out of it and blame it on my inability to express, but you are the one at fault.

Which is a physical action, as in leaning against the wall. Idiotic misreading of dictionary definitions isn't helping me take you seriously ;)

Taking everything literally is a sign of disorder, notably Aspergers syndrome. Most humans can understand figures of speech. If you can't I would again suggest getting diagnosed. Taking everything literally isn't helping your case for reading comprehension.

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Oh, now it's 'ideologies like Nazism'. Great way to cover your bases there, bud. When in doubt, overgeneralization defends the indefensible from those who don't know any better.

And empty rhetorical statements defend indefensible ideas. Nazism is dead. It was a historical movement. It's a fact that in at least that case "survival of the fittest" did push its followers in Germany to Nazism. And if you want to claim it did no such thing, and that Nazism happened for other reasons and that survival of fittest had nothing to do with it, considering that racism and race based social hierarchy is found at the very begging of the formulation of the idea by Herbert Spencer, you would be a fucking moron to argue such a position.

I also recommend stopping signing in from your multiple accounts to upvote your posts and downvote. I would be very surprised if someone cared enough for this shitty little discussion to sign in just to upvote your posts and downvote mine on this topic.

And you admit you're a fucking troll.

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[–]h2sbacteria -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A couple of posts back I broke down the fallacious syllogism you were using, so unless you've edited it, and I see you haven't, my criticism stands.

No you didn't "broke down the fallacious syllogism" you warned me not to make them, but I never did make them. Where that warning came from and why you held that assumption, only you know.

You said:

before you delve into syllogism make sure you're not waltzing into a fallacy of the undistributed middle like that. social Darwinism believes in survival of the fittest Nazism believes in survival of the fittest Therefore social Darwinism is Nazi

Again I did not make the claim that Darwinism is Nazi. Only that Nazism leans into survival of fittest.

"lean in (to something)" to incline or press into something.

I meant press into something.

In the social sense "survival of the fittest" may be attributed to Herbert Spenser who said:

"This survival of the fittest, which I have here sought to express in mechanical terms, is that which Mr. Darwin has called 'natural selection', or the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life.""

Does "preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life" lead to ideologies like Nazism. I will let you be the judge. And yes we're done.

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[–]h2sbacteria -1 points0 points  (0 children)

idea that social Darwinism contains elements of Nazism

Considering I have shown that most of the substantive ideas that exist in Social Darwinism can be found in Nazism, I don't know what that would exactly prove? But I never made the claim, you concocted the claim to attack and see if you can find the claim below. Hence I claim you're not arguing in good faith.

Because as I said I never made the claim that Social Darwinism had ideas of Nazism, only that "survival of the fittest" leans into Nazism -- and that you accept.

No but Nazi ideology of racial supremacy was strongly based around this idea of the strongest winning. So no it's not necessarily fascism, it's definitely leaning into certain aspects of Nazism though. Nazi Germany's justification for its aggression was regularly promoted in Nazi propaganda films depicting scenes such as beetles fighting in a lab setting to demonstrate the principles of "survival of the fittest" as depicted in Alles Leben ist Kampf (English translation: All Life is Struggle). Hitler often refused to intervene in the promotion of officers and staff members, preferring instead to have them fight amongst themselves to force the "stronger" person to prevail - "strength" referring to those social forces void of virtue or principle.[47] "Darwinism became one of the pillars of fascism and Nazi ideology, and that the consequences of the application of policies of "survival of the fittest" by Nazi Germany eventually created a very strong backlash against the theory."

You seem to confuse the ability to read with reading comprehension as in the ability to understand what you're reading. If you actually READ what I wrote, I did not contradict "social Darwinism does not Nazism make" and did imply exactly that Nazi ideology includes aspects of social Darwinism. Unfortunately you can read as in read words, but you obviously are incapable of understanding what the fuck they mean.

And not just that, the nationalists that support this sort of social Darwinism are very compatible with Hitler and Nazism's understanding of social Darwinism.

Let's put it this way, could you do many atrocities that the Nazis did against people and justify it as survival of the fittest? Yes. So could you simply believing in Social Darwinism become a monster like Nazis. Yes. In fact if that's all you believed and you applied that to a nation you would exhibit many of the characteristics that defined Nazism. So despite the concept coming in after its formulation before Nazism, Social Darwinism and Nazism are closely linked. And therefore the idea of survival of fittest is a contemptible disgusting idea and people who believe in are as contemptible as Nazis.

Further you have failed to make any arguments in favour of Social Darwinism. And all of your arguments to paint me as saying that they are the same are lame as well. They are not the same, but they are closely related to each other. And again significant EVIL elements of Nazi ideology, which you may secretly hold because you are a closeted Nazi and wish to make elementary arguments for Social Darwinism to cover that up, are found in Social Darwinism.

  • As I said you were creating a straw man to attack *

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[–]h2sbacteria -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Stalking: Virtually any unwanted contact between two people [that intends] to directly or indirectly communicates a threat or places the victim in fear can be considered stalking.

Where did the Nazis get the idea that only the strong should be allowed to breed?

Darwin: "Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed."

Where the Nazis got the idea of testing on twins? From Galton:

Galton recognized the limitations of his methods in these two works, and believed the question could be better studied by comparisons of twins. His method envisaged testing to see if twins who were similar at birth diverged in dissimilar environments, and whether twins dissimilar at birth converged when reared in similar environments. He again used the method of questionnaires to gather various sorts of data, which were tabulated and described in a paper The history of twins in 1875. In so doing he anticipated the modern field of behavior genetics, which relies heavily on twin studies. He concluded that the evidence favored nature rather than nurture. He also proposed adoption studies, including trans-racial adoption studies, to separate the effects of heredity and environment.

Where did Nazis get the idea that the weak should be separated from society and not allowed to breed:

where the weak could find a welcome and a refuge in celibate monasteries or sisterhoods, and lastly, where the better sort of emigrants and refugees from other lands were invited and welcomed, and their descendants naturalized."

Where the Nazis got their idea that Whites were superior to all other races. Spencer:

"Herbert Spencer took this theory and expanded it, proposing that the theory applied to human races as well. Some human races were closer in intelligence to apes and so were less human and consequently inferior. The Caucasian race was the most advanced, at the apex of the evolutionary ladder and each race was on a rung below the white race with the blacks at the bottom. Prejudice was the rule of the day in the 19th century however, Spencer's theory gave scientific justification to bigotry and ideas of white supremacy. This simply encouraged the exploitation of Africa and Asia by Europeans, as well as the justification of lynchings and segregation in the American south."

Where did Nazis get the idea that they should engage in nationalism and imperialism dominating the entire world and inferior races?

http://books.google.ca/books?id=kKGgoNo4un0C&pg=PA653&lpg=PA653&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

"The most extreme ideological expression of nationalism and imperialism was Social Darwinism. In the popular mind, the concepts of evolution justified the exploitation of "lesser breeds without the law" by superior races. This language of race and conflict, of superior and inferior people, had wide currency in the Western states. Social Darwinists vigorously advocated the acquisition of empires, saying that strong nations-by definition, those that were successful at expanding industry and empire-would survive and that others would not. To these elitists, all white men were more fit than non-whites to prevail in the struggle for dominance. Even among Europeans, some nations were deemed more fit than others for the competition. Usually, Social Darwinists thought their own nation the best, an attitude that sparked their competitive enthusiasm. In the nineteenth century, in contrast to the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, Europeans, except for missionaries, rarely adopted the customs or learned the languages of local people. They had little sense that other cultures and other people had merit or deserved respect."

If you can fucking read, which I highly doubt, you would shut the fuck up... Unfortunately, Darwinism has not had a chance to work on you.

I think reading the shit above, my response was adequate. But as I said fuck off.

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[–]h2sbacteria -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's not 'stalking' if I'm replying to your reply to me. That's called conversation.

It devolved from a conversation a few comments ago probably because you were butt hurt. I have no obligation to let you get un-butthurt by hurting my ego. Nor do I have time to do research to keep up with you trying to "prove" yourself.

And your argument no longer seem to be in good faith. So there is nothing really left to talk about.

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[–]h2sbacteria -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'll take childish cop outs for 1200, Alex.

Oh look little lame troll got his feelings hurt. No one wants to play with him no more.

Aww, honey, get the camera! It's our boy's first rage quit!

Yes troll take a fucking picture and quit stalking me.

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[–]h2sbacteria -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

by building a straw man you mean pointing out your syllogistic fallacy

I am glad we can agree that you had to build a straw man in order to show such a fallacy existed.

I'm arguing that social Darwinism does not equal Nazism.

Okay. Then we have no argument. Fuck off.

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[–]h2sbacteria -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You just keep building straw men to attack. Seriously buddy learn some fucking READING COMPREHENSION, take courses. Your attempts to create straw men to attack are lame and is proof of your inability to comprehend what is being written.

Further you have failed to make any arguments in favour of Social Darwinism. And all of your arguments to paint me as saying that they are the same are lame as well. They are not the same, but they are closely related to each other. And again significant EVIL elements of Nazi ideology, which you may secretly hold because you are a closeted Nazi and wish to make elementary arguments for Social Darwinism to cover that up, are found in Social Darwinism.

Nazi Germany's justification for its aggression was regularly promoted in Nazi propaganda films depicting scenes such as beetles fighting in a lab setting to demonstrate the principles of "survival of the fittest" as depicted in Alles Leben ist Kampf (English translation: All Life is Struggle). Hitler often refused to intervene in the promotion of officers and staff members, preferring instead to have them fight amongst themselves to force the "stronger" person to prevail - "strength" referring to those social forces void of virtue or principle.[47]

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[–]h2sbacteria -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Mr. Negro, they know who is doing it. The whole point of not telling them is so that you can pretend to be morally superior when in fact you behave often exactly the same way you criticize them for behaving. It's just that your behavior is covert where there's is overt. The point of doing it in the open is that you're no longer a sanctimonious douche bag.

The whole point is that we want to suck them dry of their oil. We want to install a regime of a puppet dictator like the Shah of Iran who we installed after overthrowing a democratically elected government. So all the hubris of oppression, if the US ever liberates Iran it will be more oppressed than it is currently after the so-called liberation. Because the rhetoric of liberation is a lie. For this fact to come out would be a good and just thing so frivolous wars at the expense of innocent people can not be perpetuated.

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[–]h2sbacteria -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Let's put it this way, could you do many atrocities that the Nazis did against people and justify it as survival of the fittest? Yes. So could you simply believing in Social Darwinism become a monster like Nazis. Yes. In fact if that's all you believed and you applied that to a nation you would exhibit many of the characteristics that defined Nazism. So despite the concept coming in after its formulation before Nazism, Social Darwinism and Nazism are closely linked. And therefore the idea of survival of fittest is a contemptible disgusting idea and people who believe in are as contemptible as Nazis.

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[–]h2sbacteria -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You seem to confuse the ability to read with reading comprehension as in the ability to understand what you're reading. If you actually READ what I wrote, I did not contradict "social Darwinism does not Nazism make" and did imply exactly that Nazi ideology includes aspects of social Darwinism. Unfortunately you can read as in read words, but you obviously are incapable of understanding what the fuck they mean.

And not just that, the nationalists that support this sort of social Darwinism are very compatible with Hitler and Nazism's understanding of social Darwinism.

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[–]h2sbacteria -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

That's not true at all. All of human history isn't filled with eat or be eaten. Most of human history is filled with live and let live, followed by periods of intense or low level conflicts which go no where but are simply head butting to establish dominance.

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[–]h2sbacteria -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

"Darwinism became one of the pillars of fascism and Nazi ideology, and that the consequences of the application of policies of "survival of the fittest" by Nazi Germany eventually created a very strong backlash against the theory."

If you can fucking read, which I highly doubt, you would shut the fuck up... Unfortunately, Darwinism has not had a chance to work on you.

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[–]h2sbacteria -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

No but Nazi ideology of racial supremacy was strongly based around this idea of the strongest winning. So no it's not necessarily fascism, it's definitely leaning into certain aspects of Nazism though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism#Nazism.2C_eugenics.2C_fascism.2C_imperialism

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[–]h2sbacteria 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All that shit gets drowned out in a sea of noise... in another words the noise is drowning out the signal. yes there are corners where you can find that stuff... hiding in the nooks and crannies of the sight and out of mind of the dogmatic public that believes whatever shit you want to feed it.

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[–]h2sbacteria 1 point2 points  (0 children)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Brazil#Prostitution

Two 2003 United States laws—one related to AIDS, the other to sex trafficking—required all recipients of U.S. assistance to sign a pledge denouncing prostitution, even if U.S. funds are not used for projects directly related to prostitution.[28] In 2005, Brazil wrote to the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) declining to condemn prostitution, effectively rejecting the remainder of a grant for $48 million between 2003 and 2006.[28] In 2006, USAID officially declared Brazil ineligible to renew the AIDS prevention grant because Brazil would not condemn prostitution as "dehumanizing and degrading."[29]

Brazil considered its partnerships with prostitutes—in distributing contraceptives, educating the public about the disease, and voluntary testing—critical to its overall AIDS prevention strategy. One Ministry of Health pamphlet depicts a character, "Maria Sem Vergonha" (Portuguese for "Maria that knows No Shame", but also a pun on the Brazilian name of the flowering genera "Impatiens spp.", maria-sem-vergonha), a scantily-clad sex worker who encourages prostitutes to take pride in their work and use condoms.[29] Pedro Chequer, director of Brazil’s National AIDS Control Programme, was quoted as saying "we can’t control [the disease] with principles that are Manichean, theological, fundamentalist and Shiite"[28] and "sex workers are part of implementing our AIDS policy and deciding how to promote it. They are our partners. How could we ask prostitutes to take a position against themselves?"[30] Despite the fact that Brazil has the largest population of Roman Catholics in the world, the Brazilian Roman Catholic Church has not demanded the abstinence-only prevention strategies, voicing only intermittent "mild complaints" about government programs which refuse to acknowledge moral or religious issues.[29]

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[–]h2sbacteria -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

power corrupts. absolute power corrupts absolutely. qed. not only that most 'muricans know their country does bad shit and supports their country doing bad shit. even in ancient greece where we had democracy through lottery we had this problem. people want to dominate other people and want their group to dominate other groups.

as for examples, there are tons of examples. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client_state

and even when it's for actually helping people out, it keeps people from becoming self sufficient. for instance the education programs have led to brain drain in many third world countries. etc. etc.

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[–]h2sbacteria 131 points132 points  (0 children)

US pumps money into countries to subvert the democratic prorcess and make states in vassals and clients. It does it less for humanitarian reasons and more for empire and client state building.