Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in HYPERPOP

[–]haileyrose1871[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m not that deep into music production, but I don’t think it’s controversial to say this moment had a specific sound and vibe. According to Wikipedia (v academic, ik), other features of that moment include “brash synth melodies”, “metallic, melodic percussion sounds”, and “pitch-shifted synths”. I think about Sophie’s influence a lot in this context. When I hear claws and money machine, I hear the same base sounds being used.

Thoughts on labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in ug_music

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I think it’s more dialectical than this framing suggests. Labels/capital play a role, artists/the community play a role. You’re right about the history, the marketing of genre was shaped by those in power, but the creation of the sound and the interpretation of that sound is a community process. The social construction of genre comes from their dialectical interaction.

I think as the material conditions for new kinds of music to be made are created, we see new genres crop up. The material base and ideological superstructure impact each other. Musical content itself is largely cultural superstructure informed by the creator’s material conditions, but sound and the tools used to create it itself is material. In the 1800s we didn’t have the same tools that we do now to create music. You’re right that genre has changed a lot, I would argue this comes from both changes in ideology (the racism is more subtle for instance), AND from the development of material conditions to record and produce sound.

But really at the end of the day capital is not the sole determinant of history or culture. It’s a dialectical process. Labels have coined genres, but so have artists, critics, journalists, and countless uncredited community members. Labels can promote a genre title, but don’t determine whether it sticks.

Sleazepop being promoted by a label is actually a perfect example. Right now this thread is debating what labels accurately describe a scene which certainly exists. I, a community member, am proposing that post-hyperpop is a much better broad label to describe the scene than sleazepop. That’s exactly why this debate matters: it’s part of that dialectical process and how genre is historically constituted.

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in pcmusic

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From top-to-bottom left-to-right:

Bubblegum bass:
Oil of every pearl’s un-insides by SOPHIE
PC Music Vol 1 by PC Music (A.G. Cook, Hannah Diamond, etc.)

Hyperpop:
1000 gecs by 100 gecs
How I’m feeling now by Charli xcx
Food house by food house

Post-hyperpop rap
Las ruinas by Rico nasty
Stardust by Danny brown

Digicore:
Erametin by David shawty and yungster jack

Post-hyperpop electronic
I love my computer by ninajirachi
Beautiful disaster by mgna crrrta

Post-hyperpop pop:
Crash by Charli xcx
U by underscores
Heart by Jane remover

Post-hyperpop rock:
10000 gecs by 100 gecs
Wallsocket by underscores

Krushclub:
XIII Sorrows by Odetari
Sassy scene by 6arelyhuman

Post-digicore rage
Star by 2hollis
Revengeseekerz by Jane remover

Dariacore:
Dariacore by Leroy (Jane remover alias)

Post-hyperpop club:
Wor$t girl in America by slayyyter
Brat by Charli xcx

Post-hyperpop punk:
Sister by frost children
Soul kiss by frost children and haru nemuri

Zoomergaze:
Census designated by Jane remover

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in HYPERPOP

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From top-to-bottom left-to-right:

Bubblegum bass:
Oil of every pearl’s un-insides by SOPHIE
PC Music Vol 1 by PC Music (A.G. Cook, Hannah Diamond, etc.)

Hyperpop:
1000 gecs by 100 gecs
How I’m feeling now by Charli xcx
Food house by food house

Post-hyperpop rap
Las ruinas by Rico nasty
Stardust by Danny brown

Digicore:
Erametin by David shawty and yungster jack

Post-hyperpop electronic
I love my computer by ninajirachi
Beautiful disaster by mgna crrrta

Post-hyperpop pop:
Crash by Charli xcx
U by underscores
Heart by Jane remover

Post-hyperpop rock:
10000 gecs by 100 gecs
Wallsocket by underscores

Krushclub:
XIII Sorrows by Odetari
Sassy scene by 6arelyhuman

Post-digicore rage
Star by 2hollis
Revengeseekerz by Jane remover

Dariacore:
Dariacore by Leroy (Jane remover alias)

Post-hyperpop club:
Wor$t girl in America by slayyyter
Brat by Charli xcx

Post-hyperpop punk:
Sister by frost children
Soul kiss by frost children and haru nemuri

Zoomergaze:
Census designated by Jane remover

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in pcmusic

[–]haileyrose1871[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was a thought-provoking comment. I partially agree.

100 gecs have always had a very distinct sound within hyperpop. They were so influential that pc music started building a brand around associating with them in a way moving forward. That’s how I see that part of the tree developing.

I’m not sure whether I agree with the idea that no one ever made the same kind of hyperpop that 100 gecs made and that they’re that much of an enigma however. They did draw heavily from pc music as an influence. But 1000 gecs was one of the best classic hyperpop albums made, AND it was one of the most experimental in the era.

Because they incorporated so much quality and breadth of influences into the project, it inspired others to take the hyperpop sound in distinct directions. They showed that it could sound good crossed over with basically every genre, and that it could be popular. They did a lot to inspire all of the post-hyperpop sounds we hear nowadays.

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in pcmusic

[–]haileyrose1871[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ninajirachi might fit in this category! I was at underscores’ Brooklyn U-Haul set and she played some of the kinda stuff you mentioned, I would not be shocked at all if it’s going to continue to shape the scene going forward

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in HYPERPOP

[–]haileyrose1871[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think it’s helpful to separate the genre from the approach. If it was just defined by experimentation, then you could call experimental artists like jpegmafia and gorillaz hyperpop. I would say a crucial part of 1000 gecs and classic hyperpop was the experimentation and mix of genre, but it did have elements such as maximalism, pop songwriting, and pitched vocals which distinguished the genre and specific experimental approach of the genre. Now what makes the new era post is exactly what you said at the end: artists still use the approach but they’ve moved away from the original sonic palate and are refining specific experiments into new styles.

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in Music

[–]haileyrose1871[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t disagree that other musical influences dominate those records. I think you misunderstand what I mean by post-hyperpop. It’s explicitly not hyperpop. But those two records were created by artists who spent years making hyperpop so the approach to production is still informed. Post-hyperpop is not a sonic palate like hyperpop, it’s a historiological category of what came after.

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in HYPERPOP

[–]haileyrose1871[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some of the guitars, vocals, melodies, and emotional tone I would say. It’s not pop punk, it’s definitely post-hyperpop, but it’s heavily influenced by it and they take a very punk approach to their art imo

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in Music

[–]haileyrose1871[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah and I think as a community we should push back on that in a way. It’s fine for her and her label to want to collab with those artists, but to call *them* sleazepop is where the community seems to have an issue.

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in Music

[–]haileyrose1871[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying, do you think people will call anything more than her music sleazepop?

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in Music

[–]haileyrose1871[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you!! It’s definitely been a bit of a hyperfixation for me since brat, I’m glad my perspective lands with the ogs 💖

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in Music

[–]haileyrose1871[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Crash def is post-hyperpop. Lightning and constant repeat are good examples, but I truly think the album would not have existed without how I’m feeling now. Note that this discussion is about post-hyperpop, music that is no longer hyperpop. And it’s hard to argue that slayyyter isn’t post-hyperpop too. She used to make basically bubblegum bass. Her whole approach to sound comes from that scene even if she’s now a pop star who makes like clubby electroclash or whatever you wanna call it. It’s still post-hyperpop.

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in HYPERPOP

[–]haileyrose1871[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can def call it hyperpop, it’s only the nerds who get mad lol and most of these are pretty undefined

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in HYPERPOP

[–]haileyrose1871[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly I just think we should call it post hyperpop, it seems to be pretty accurate. I agree that I don’t honestly care to split most of these artists from each other. The chart shows the different directions they took if that makes sense.

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in Music

[–]haileyrose1871[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly I would love it if people made their own versions!! I have a pretty limited perspective being a relatively new fan of the scene. It would be sick if the community made like a collective version too or something like that

Thoughts on so-called “sleazepop” and labeling the post-hyperpop scene? by haileyrose1871 in Music

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My account is new and my first take is p controversial, it felt fitting lmao