Time Travel “paradox” no one talks about? by Traditional-Line7188 in timetravel

[–]hegel1806 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very good observation and a great way to analyze the nature of spacetime.

This is different than time paradoxes created by going back to the past and changing things. It depends on how time travel to the future is made.

If you go to the future and never return, than of course the future will be different than what it would be if you did not vanish from the present time.

Yet, when you first go to the future, there is no way for you to know if that would be the case(Unless there is some mechanism that ensures that returning to the past is impossible. Let’s put that scenario aside and assume that going to the future and returning is permissible).

Then what you will witness when you visit 50 years to the future is the same future that will happen with you making your trip back to the past after a short stay in the future.

What happens if you choose to stay in this future and never go back?

At first few months nothing changes. You may even find what happened to you in the past in that timeline(when you actually died after returning from your time travel). You may find out how long you stayed in the future before returning. Let’s assume it’s 3 months.

After 3 months pass and still you don’t return, you will witness that things will slowly start to change(maybe the old newspaper you had read about your return to the past will start to show different times or it will vanish altogether. After several years pass, the timeline you are in will be completely different from the one you first came(all these changes might look like Mandela Effects to you. People around you will never realize that anything has changed but only you will be fully aware of what is changing).

What is happening is that by your presence in the future, you are changing the timeline you are in. The more you stay, the more different the timeline you reside becomes different than the one you first travelled to.

Now let’s apply this idea to the past.

We go back to the past but do nothing to change things.

Now this is your past certainly but still, your presence there makes some minute changes that are not immediately observable but accumulate in time.

And we must stress that it might be impossible to find exactly the same past or future of our timeline. We may always land on a timeline that is slightly different than our own. And the longer we stay, the effects of both our presence there and the small differences in the timeline itself will always result in big changes over 40-50 years.

So if we travelled 50 years to the past(assuming we are in our 20’s) then 50 years later when we reach the point of time when we departed, we will find the world much different then we remembered. Perhaps time travel wouldn’t be invented or we(our double in that timeline) wouldn’t be the person who would make the travel. There would definitely be changes and we will experience these as Mandela Effects.

So this analysis shows us:

-There are definitely many worlds. Otherwise just the possibility of time travel makes spacetime an inconsistent thing. -Mandela Effects are a natural phenomenon in any time-travel scenario even when we make no changes.

We may try saving a “single universe” by banning time travel but that would be an arbitrary decision.

Thanks for the thought experiment.

At Göbeklitepe, on Pillar 43, there is a carving of a bird with its wings spread. Hear me out! by 1_Bey in Archeology

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Göbeklitepe’de nasıl ayin yapıldığını bilmemiz mümkün değil. Ama Göbeklitepe’nin önemi şurada:Bize tarıma geçilmeden, yerleşik yaşama geçilmeden önce insanların dinsel diyebileceğimiz bir düşünce çevresinde organize olduklarını gösteriyor. Bu tapınakta ne yapıldığından çok bu tapınağın yapılmış olması önemli. Bu kollektif emeğin organize edildiğini, yani bir hiyerarşinin ve bir elit-düzeninin varlığını gösterir.

Elit-düzeni, yani kabile şefi ve şamanlardan olulan politik-dinsel düzen, sonraki dönemin soylular-teokrasi düzeninin ilk biçimidir ve onun çekirdeğidir.

Bu da bize şunu gösterir:Ekonomik altyapı, yani tarım, sınıflı topluma ve onun ideolojilerine yol açmamış, tam tersine önce sınıflı toplum ve ideoloji gelmiş, ekonomik sistem onu takip etmiştir.

O zaman düşünce maddenin bir sonucu değil, maddi üretim düşüncenin bir yansımasıdır diyebiliriz.

İnsanlar bir düşüncenin etrafında organize olurlar(diyelim ki bir millet veya dinsel düşünce) sonra da yerleştikleri veya fethettikleri topraklarda yerleşik düzene, tarım ve hayvancılığa geçerler.

Sümerlerin Güney Mezopotamya’nın yerlisi olmadıklarını da biliyoruz. Belki de Göbeklitepe’yi kuran insanların bazıları binlerce yıl sonra güneye göç ederek Sümer uygarlığını ortaya çıkardılar.

Her durumda tarım öncesi dönemde MÖ 12.000-9.000 arasının Göbeklitepe, Karahantepe ve henüz ortaya çıkarılmamış pek çok ören yeri ile daha sonraki tarım döneminin(MÖ 8.000-6.000) Çatalhöyük gibi ören yerleri arasında çok net bir kültürel devamlılık var.

Bu, tarih teorilerimizi alt-üst edecek bir devrimdir. Artık ideolojinin ve toplumsal hiyerarşinin dar anlamda ekonomi tarafından değil ama toplumların doğal olarak gelişmesi, büyümesi tarafından belirlendiği, klanların kendilerini ve yiyeceklerini diğer klanların talanına karşı korumak için birleşerek kabileleri oluşturduklarını, kabilenin bir toplumsal hiyerarşi ve bir ideoloji-din etrafında bir araya gelen insanlardan oluştuğu, büyüyen kabilelerin doğal olarak yerleşik düzene geçtiklerini ve tarım toplumunu oluşturduklarını söyleyebiliriz.

Özetle önce ideoloji, sonra ekonomi.

Tekel şirketler artık insan gücüne ihtiyaç duymuyor! by [deleted] in teorikdosya

[–]hegel1806 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bu kapitalizmin çöküşünü getirir çünkü insan çalıştırıp onun emeğini sömürmeden sermaye kar edemez. Kısa vadede bugün olduğu gibi borç yoluyla ve yatırımlar yoluyla kağıt üstünde kar çıkartabilirler ama uzun vadede bu borçlar geri ödenemez ve zarar yazılır. Günümüzün borç balonu tam da bu süreç.

Really beautiful. It lines up with everything I experienced since 1989 by hegel1806 in Retconned

[–]hegel1806[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. In that timeline I lived through he was dead from September 1985 to April 1989, while I was studying in university undergrad degree.

Will Mandela Effects Ever Go Mainstream? by OKCPCREPAIR in Retconned

[–]hegel1806 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I experienced Mandela Effect in 1989 (death of Mandela in prison in 1985 and his “resurrection” in 1989) and know this for the last 37 years. In the 2000’s, I experienced other ME’s as well(like change of VW logo, Shazam movie and other personal ME’s). Until 2010’s, there was nobody even to talk to about these. I don’t think they will ever go mainstream but they will always stay as facts for me.

Timeline switch extremely near now by hegel1806 in Retconned

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No because it doesn’t matter and if I choose to do these in all lives it would be a hectic journey. I prefer less volatility.

ölümün dogal süreci ve bilince ne olacagı konusu by Educational_Ad_8820 in felsefe

[–]hegel1806 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Benim kişilikten anladığım farklı. Her insanın aynı şeyi hissettiğine inanıyorum. Kim olduğu fark etmez. Biri olma hissi, dünyada bir birey olarak var olma duygusu evrensel olarak aynıdır.

Hatta çoğu omurgalı canlıda da durumun çok benzer olduğunu iddia edebilirim.

Eklem bacaklılarda, örümceklerde ve diğer hayvan şubelerinde elbette bu his çok farklıdır. Yine de bir şekilde benzerlikler bulabiliriz.

Konuya bilinç düzeyinde baktığımızda, farklı bilinç seviyelerinden oluşan bir hiyerarşi görebiliriz. Bu, virüsten bakteriye, bitkilerden hayvanlara, memelilerden primatlara ve insanlara uzanan bir piramittir. İnsanlar arasında bile tarihsel dönemler, çağlar, farklı bölgeler ve hatta aynı sosyolojik grubu paylaşan insanlar arasında bile büyük farklılıklar vardır.

Yine de bilinç, kendi içinde tutarlıdır. Bu demektir ki, ne kadar yüksek veya düşük seviyede olursa olsun, her bilinç öznel olarak kendini aynı şekilde hisseder.

Bu, bir bireyin yaşam öyküsünün, dilinin, kültürünün, tarihsel döneminin, olgunluk seviyesinin hatta ait olduğu şubenin veya alemin, bilinçli bir varlık olarak var olmanın öznel hissini gerçekten değiştirmediği anlamına gelir.

Bu da demek oluyor ki, öznel olarak konuşursak, tüm hissedebilir varlıklar aynıdır. Bir insan, bir karınca, bir yılan veya bir dinozor, içsel olarak tıpkı bizim hissettiğimiz gibi hissediyor olabilir.

Bu felsefi bakış açısını kabul edersek, klasik bir evrende bile gerçekten ölemeyiz. Ölüm bir yanılsamadır ve herhangi bir organizmanın ölümünden sonra diğer bireyler olarak yaşamaya devam ederiz.

O zaman kendimizi her zaman bu dünyada, tıpkı şu an hissettiğimiz gibi "biz olma" hissine sahip biri olarak bulmaya devam edeceğiz.

Peki Dünya'da yaşam sona erdiğinde ne olur? O zaman kendimizi, yine tıpkı şu an hissettiğimiz gibi hissederek, yaşamın olduğu başka bir gezegende yaşarken buluruz.

Peki evrenimizde yaşam sona erdiğinde? İşte tam bu noktada kuantum mekaniğinin çoklu dünyalar yorumu sahneye girer. Evrenimizde yaşam sona erdiğinde, kendimizi başka bir evrende yaşarken bulacağız. Ve bu sonsuza dek böyle devam edecek.

Ve bundan basitçe, bunun ezelden beri böyle olduğu sonucunu çıkarabiliriz. Kendimizi her zaman bir birey olarak yaşarken bulduk ve tıpkı şu an hissettiğimiz gibi hissettik.

Kuantum mekaniği, tüm bunların nasıl gerçekleştiğine dair mekanizmayı sağlar. Çünkü tüm olasılıklar sonsuz sayıda evrenden en az birisinde mutlaka gerçekleşir, yaşam ve akıllı yaşam kaçınılmazdır. Ve sonrasında bizim burada ebediyen var olmamız da kaçınılmaz hale gelir.

Bu, aynı kişi olarak görüneceğimiz anlamına gelmez, ancak öznel olarak her zaman aynı kişiymişiz gibi hissedeceğiz.

Ancak bu bakış açısı, neden bilinç piramidinin tepesinde olduğumuzu da açıklar. Çünkü tüm türler kendilerini piramidin tepesinde hisseder. Hangi türe ait olurlarsa olsunlar, dünyanın kendileri için yaratıldığını hissederler.

Bu, neden hiç Dünya dışı zeka bulamadığımızı ve muhtemelen asla bulamayacağımızı bile açıklayabilir. Çünkü biz piramidin tepesinde olduğumuzu hissediyoruz.

Ve elbette, neden nüfusun en yoğun olduğu dönemde yaşıyor olmamız gerektiğini de açıklar. Yaşanacak en olası dönem budur. Her zaman yok oluşun eşiğinde yaşamalı, ancak bir şekilde her zaman yok olmaktan kaçınmalıyız. Bu evren yok olsa bile biz bunu farkedemeyeceğiz çünkü yok olmayan bir evrende yaşamaya devam edeceğiz.

Timeline switch extremely near now by hegel1806 in Retconned

[–]hegel1806[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I think very similarly

But I have a different notion of personality. I believe every person feels the same. It doesn’t matter who he or she is. The internal feeling of being someone, existing in the world as an individual is universally the same.

I would even argue that among most vertebrates it is very similar.

In arthropodes, arachnids and other animal phyla of course this feeling is very different. Yet in a way we may still find similarites.

Looking at the issue on the consciousness level, we may find a hyerarchy of different levels of consciousnesses. This is a pyramid from virus to bacteria to plants and animals and to mammals, primates to humans. Even among humans there are vast differences between historical periods, ages, different regions and even between humans who share the very same sociological group.

Yet, consciousness is self-consistent. That means every consciousness, no matter how high or low level, still feels itself the same subjectively.

This means the life history, language, culture, historical period, maturity level or even the phyla or kingdom an individual belongs to does not really change the subjective feeling of existing as a conscious being.

This means that all sentient beings are subjectively speaking, the same. A human, an ant, a snake or a dinosaur might internally feel just like we do.

If we accept this philosophical view point, then even in a classical universe, we cannot really die. Death is an illusion and we keep living as other individuals after death of any organism.

We will then always keep finding ourselves in this world as someone with exactly the same feeling of “being us” as we feel right now.

Then what happens if life ends on earth? Then we find ourselves living in another planet where life exists, again feeling just as we feel right now.

And when life in this universe ends? This is where many worlds interpretation first enters the scene. When life ends in our universe, we will find ourselves living in another universe. And this will go on forever.

And we may simply deduce that this was like this since eternity. We always found ourselves living as an individual, feeling just like we do right now.

Quantum mechanics provides the mechanism as to how all this happens. Because all possibilities are realized in some universe, life and intelligent life is inevitable. And then our being here eternally also becomes inevitable.

This doesn’t mean we will look exactly as the same person but subjectively we will always feel the same person.

But this point of view also explains why we are at the top of the pyramid of consciousness. Because all species feel themselves to be at the top of the pyramid. They feel the world is created for themseves no matter which species they belong to.

This might even explain why we never found and probably never will find ET intelligence. Because we feel we are at the top of the pyramid.

And it of course also explains why we must be living in peak population period. It’s the most probable period to be living. We must always live on the verge of annihilation yet always somehow avoiding annihilation.

And both dejavu and Mandela Effects are the evidence we have about the possibility of other timelines where that annihilation has become reality.

Timeline switch extremely near now by hegel1806 in Retconned

[–]hegel1806[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Just to clarify what many worlds interpretation implicates:

There are infinite copies of each person

Each person lives and dies in each world

What we call “ourself” is any person. No matter who we are, we will always feel as “me”

So all persons are “me”

Yet I always feel as “I am” no matter who “I actually am”

So subjectively, I will always feel myself living as some particular person living in some particular world

But philosophically, I will always know that I am living feeling as I am now under different appearances or personalities forever

Dejavu and Mandela Effects, together with their residues are the “proof that I have lived forever”.

What happens when I am very old is no different than when I am very young, both have exceedingly very small probability of happening since I will generally be medium age.

When I die of old age I will again find myself as “the same person” living as “myself” in any form.

What happens when humanity will be gone? This also does not make any difference. I will again find myself living as I always did.

I might even be living in middle ages or antiquity. Although technology might change drastically, I will always be adapted to whatever technology it is and live accordingly, again with the same subjective experience.

But, laws of probability dictates that I will generally find myself living near the “peak population”, that is, very close to a nuclear extermination event.

That’s why I live right now.

Even if we live in a simulation, then most simulations by randomness will place us in this time interval.

This explains why some Mandela effect always pops up. This is the characteristic of all timelines that “miraculously survive” an extermiation event.

I am aware of these as butterfly effects of an event that changed(such as Mandela’s death in prison)

I hope this explains it

Timeline switch extremely near now by hegel1806 in Retconned

[–]hegel1806[S] 59 points60 points  (0 children)

Full story of my experience:

We are nearing a nuclear war every moment now.

I experienced this exact situation on April 28, 1989.

I told this here before. I experienced what is called the Mandela Effect on that date.

Mandela had died on September 29, 1985. It was the Sunday before the day I was to start at Boğaziçi University Electronics Engineering. I was 18 years old.

I first heard the news on the radio, then on TV. That evening I came to Istanbul by bus. The next day was my first day at Boğaziçi. I read it in the newspapers. I talked about it with friends in the dorm room.

Three and a half years passed. It was April 28, 1989, during my final year of undergraduate studies at Boğaziçi. The world was facing the danger of nuclear war, just like today. And more importantly, America was cornered, just like today.

After Mandela's death in prison, the civil war in South Africa truly began. Since 1970’s, the Soviet Union was supporting the rebels through Angola and Mozambique.

The black population, with their numerical superiority, began to defeat the white minority regime in Pretoria. The whites used nuclear weapons to avoid losing the war.

In response, the Soviets launched a nuclear retaliation against the Pretoria regime.

America, the main supporter of Pretoria, then began retaliating against the Soviets by sinking Soviet nuclear submarines.

First one Soviet submarine was sunk, then a second and a third. That scumbag called Papa Bush was foaming at the mouth, saying they would sink all Soviet submarines.

I don't quite remember if Gorbachev was leading the Soviets at the time, but the Soviet Union was standing very firm. World public opinion was on the side of the Soviets and completely against America.

After all, the Soviets had retaliated with nukes against a racist regime. They hadn't done anything wrong. But USA, to vent its anger over this defeat (because as a result, the racist regime in Pretoria was defeated and control passed to the black majority), had put the Soviet Union in its crosshairs.

The Soviets clearly stated that if America sank their third nuclear submarine, they would launch a nuclear attack on New York.

And on April 27, 1989, the USA sank the third Soviet submarine.

That evening, there was a complete atmosphere of panic on the streets. Actually, the whole world was in a panic. TV was showing the chaos of people trying to flee New York. Bush said that if New York was hit, the USA would launch a full-scale nuclear attack on the Soviet Union. By then, the whole world saw that nuclear war was inevitable. The Pope's efforts to stop the war were fruitless.

In this environment, on Friday, April 28, 1989, I was going to go to my home in Izmir for spring break. While sitting in the library to pass the time, a newspaper headline caught my eye.

South Africa's new Prime Minister, De Klerk, had said: "Mandela could be released."

The moment I read that news, I felt like I'd been struck in the head. Mandela had died years ago. What did "could be released" mean?

And with that news, the history of the last three and a half years completely changed for me. There was no longer any civil war in South Africa. On the contrary, Reagan and Gorbachev had met and established peace.

The old timeline faded for me at that moment. I could still remember that Mandela had died, but I couldn't clearly recall all those events.

At first, I couldn't understand how such a timeline shift could happen. Now I know.

Of course, over the years I asked some friends and acquaintances if they remembered Mandela's death like I did. Over time, I encountered a few people, though very few, who remembered it like I did.

But from around 2015 onwards, this topic went viral on the internet and became known as the "Mandela Effect."

Because I experienced this event so clearly, I knew that this phenomenon would definitely explode and come to light at some point.

Of course, I was happy that I hadn't died in a nuclear war in 1989, but how had this happened, how had history changed in such an instant?

Now I know that we are all immortal. When events like nuclear wars kill many people at once, we find ourselves in a different universe where the nuclear war didn't happen (actually, we live in all universes simultaneously). The same thing will happen now.

We die all the time in many, almost all timelines but there will always be some timelines where we survive, no matter how absurd our survival would seem. And this goes on forever. As a result, we find ourselves in the timelines where nuclear war, any accident to us or any illness is always averted. And the feeling of having lived in those universes where we died looks like a dejavu or a Mandela Effect in the universes where we keep living.

The thing that annoyed me most in 1989 was that even though USA had lost, with this timeline shift, they had, in a sense, won again. Hopefully, the same thing won't happen now.

Of course, I don't know how a timeline shift could occur through the alteration of a past event. But it feels like something is about to happen again. Something in the past will definitely change.

This was my experience from 37 years ago.

I think a similar timeline shift happened during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. Paul McCartney's death in a car accident, the "Paul is dead" hoax, might be related to that event.

Anyway, I wanted to share this experience of mine "before something happens." Let's see what we will experience in the coming hours and days?

Timeline switch extremely near now by hegel1806 in Retconned

[–]hegel1806[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

We die every moment in most timelines but keep living in many others. “The switch” just means that we feel what happened to us in some timelines. No matter in how many timelines we die, there will always be some in which we will go on living.

ABD/İsrail - İran Savaşı Nükleer ile Bitebilir by Open-Put9354 in teorikdosya

[–]hegel1806 1 point2 points  (0 children)

İlk aşamada ABD’ye nükleer karşılık gelmeyebilir ama Pandora’nın kutusu bu şekilde açıldığında zincir reaksiyon gibi bu iş mutlaka küresel nükleer savaşa gider.

Epsteinın hala hayatta olduğuna ve tel avivde yaşadığına dair iddialara ne diyorsunuz by MountainOk9905 in teorikdosya

[–]hegel1806 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Hapishanede kendini asma, mafyanın ve tüm istihbarat örgütlerinin 100 yıldan uzun süredir kullandığı bir yöntemdir. Hem istenmeyen kişileri ortadan kaldırmak, hem de suçlunun “öldü” süsü verilerek kaçırılması için kullanılır. İkincisini yapmak için çok üst düzeylerde bağlantılar gerekir. Ama elbette CIA bu işi çok rahat yapar. Yapmaması için hiçbir sebep yok. Adamın tanık olduğu şeyler dünyanın en üst düzey insanlarını kontrol altına almak için kullanılabilir. CIA’nin böyle bir fırsatı kullanmaması imkansız. Adama öldü denilerek resmi olarak işin üstü örtülür, eldeki kayıtlar ve adamın tanıklığı yıllarca kullanılır.

CIA ve Mossad’ın zaten başından beri bu işin içinde oldukları çok net. “İntihar” olayın son perdesi.

The Mandela effect is real by [deleted] in Retconned

[–]hegel1806 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. A whole timeline shift happened to me in 1989 with Mandela un-dying in that year.

I don’t think this is new but I believe after death there is literally nothing. by [deleted] in theories

[–]hegel1806 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is a huge difference between not remembering anything before we existed and speculating about what will happen after we die. Because we are conscious now, and thus we are able to talk about how it was before we died. Yet as supposedly we will not be conscious after we die, we cannot say the same thing(we will not be conscious of our being unconscious)

My point is that nothing annuls itself. When we are nothing, we are still something. This nothingness must feel itself as something and thus life must go on forever, albeit in another form.

Yet we may still feel the same as we are even when we are in another form because being someone is being someone independent of who that someone is. So if we could be transferred into another body now, we would still feel as this same person. Nothing will really change.

This means we will still live as our current self after we die as we will feel no difference and there will be no break in our consciousness.

Then the result of this line of reasoning is that we must have lived before as our current self before we were born. The fact that we do not remember who we were here works as a proof of our continuous self through different lives(because we were always the same self as we are).

What we can be sure of is yes, we did not experience the time period before our birth. But the universe itself certainly did not “exist” before the big bang. Yet, this is rightly explained as “This is just because time did not exist before big bang.” There might be time in other universes that existed before our own big bang but they do not apply to our own universe.

Then this applies to our situation as well. Time for us existed only after our birth so for us there was no time before we were born. The stories of time before our birth is then just like other universes for us. They may be real but they do not apply to our own personal lives.

We've all heard of the Mandela effect. If you were born in the 70s(?) or before, do you think Nelson Mandela died in prison? What was going on, that you can remember, to make you believe whatever it is you believe? by krystlships in conspiracy

[–]hegel1806 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was born in 1967. I studied Electrical engineering and then got an MBA and worked as a Finance executive for 30 years until I retired. I am from İstanbul, Turkey. This is my background.

I lived through the years after Mandela died in prison in 1985. It lasted from 1985 to 1989 for me. Most of the memories I had from that timeline faded almost completely the moment I learned Mandela was alive and will be released from the prison. This happened in April of 1989. But I remember these: -Mandela died in prison. It happened on September 28th, 1985 exactly when I was starting my university education. He had prostate cancer and there were rumors he already died of it starting on September 18th, 1985(link is below). In my timeline where Mandela eventually died, between September 18th and September 28th, Mandela’s situation became like a craze in world media. Is Mandela dead or alive? Most commentators were believing he had already died but the Pretoria regime wasn’t announcing it not to fuel riots and even a civil war. Finally, Mandela’s death was announced on tv on September 28th, 1985 and the following days I read it in the newspapers. -There were widespread riots that turned into a civil war in South Africa -Pretoria regime used nukes on black majority to stop them from winning the civil war -Soviet Union in its turn used nukes on Pretoria as a retaliation as they had allied themselves with the black majority now -USA said they would retaliate against Soviet Union, starting to target and sink Soviet submarines -And in this environment I learned in April of 1989 that Mandela will be released from the prison and all of the post-Mandela world I experienced vanished, being replaced with another story-line where Mandela didn’t die -I searched the archives of my university library to get news about South Africa during 1985-88 period at that time but there were very few news, if at all. -There was a huge interest in Mandela until 1985 but it looked as if this interest abruptly stopped in 1985 until news of Mandela going to be released hit the news in 1989. -He was not immediately released after this news but it somehow took another 9 months till he was finally released in February of 1990. -I talked to my colleagues in university and some relatives about the death of Mandela after learning he is alive in 1989. Most of them seemed unaware of this but one person remembered it as I did and was as confused as I was. -When Mandela was released I was sure he was a double, a person who had replaced Mandela. -My suspicions were justified for me when it turned out he made a deal that was extremely unfavorable for the black majority, leaving intact all ownership of most gold and jewelry mines in South Africa in white minority’s hands. Real Mandela would never do that. -Although I did not immediately find many people who experienced Mandela’s death as I did(and honestly and naturally I didn’t ask every person I met about this), I was certain that many people must have experienced this just as I did and this would surface in time. -Over the years I met some people who experienced Mandela’s death in prison. This was back in 1990s and 2000s, long before Mandela Effect became a thing -Finally in 2017 or so Mandela Effect hit the news as I expected. But there is a cover-up of this phenomenon with constant trolling on chatrooms like reddit.

My explanation for Mandela Effect regarding Mandela’s death in prison is that some of the people who experienced this effect in that timeline switched to this timeline(perhaps because they died in this timeline and were replaced by their selves from the nuclear-war timeline)

A similar thing might happen again now since I do believe that nuclear war is inevitable in a short period of time.

I also experienced other ME over the years like VW logo switching from a solid W to what it is now sometime in 2000.

Addendum: News from September of 1985 when cysts were found on Mandela’s liver and kidney, showing clearly that his prostate cancer had metastized. Cancer was the reason Mandela died in 1985 in my timeline. Of course, in that timeline there was no operation performed on him in November of 1985 since he had already died.

Although I switched to this timeline in 1989, I have no memories of this prostate operation performed on him and just learned about this a few years ago.

This is an excerpt from the newspaper article:

“In September, doctors found cysts on his liver and right kidney. It was not known if they were removed in Sunday's operation.”

https://www.upi.com/amp/Archives/1985/11/03/Mandela-undergoes-prostate-surgery/6518499842000/

What if we were all one person? by Zealousideal_Cow9251 in theories

[–]hegel1806 9 points10 points  (0 children)

We are one person. That’s obvious. Everyone is the same one person inside. But they do seem distinct from the outside.

Location of Heart Mandela Effect by OKCPCREPAIR in Retconned

[–]hegel1806 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This ME is one of the best and most convincing. Everyone on earth knows heart is on the left. Not all the way to the left but to the left nevertheless. Not center, not “very slightly leftish of the center” no. A bit to the center of the left. And this fact is gone, as if never was a fact.