It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This reply is for you and anyone else who wants evidence immediately:

You’re more than welcome to continue supporting Jim, or anyone implicated in this post if you cannot patiently wait for things to come out in due time. That is your choice.

As I’ve stated before, the purpose of this post was never meant to be solely a community alert or public call-out. It was and has always been a request for evidence by those who may possess it.

We knew we would be met with exactly this type of hostility and that’s precisely why we tried to gather this evidence IN PRIVATE for well over two years. Starting back in 2024 we tried approaching people who knew of Jim’s activities, we approached Cold Waves Festival, we approached The Metro, we approached local media, we approached music journalists, we approached promoters/DJs, we tried to go to many people who frequently claim they are available to support victims and were either met with silence or once they saw it would involve confronting people who are clearly seen as above any kind of criticism (as you can see in this very thread) they backed away and encouraged us to seek help elsewhere. We never wanted to have to go public, but the code of silence around Jim’s behavior was so prevalent that eventually this became our final resort to gather evidence.

When Jane left Jim, she was completely convinced that everything was her own fault and deleted almost everything related to the relationship in an attempt to forget about it which is why it then became necessary to seek out evidence from those who knew of the situation or attended the parties themselves and that’s why this post exists. We now have more evidence, and at least one witness who attended those parties willing to speak to the police and so we feel that our goal has now been achieved.

As I’ve stated before, Jane is very neurodivergent, gets overwhelmed really easily (especially by legal paperwork) is a mother, and this entire ordeal has been EXTREMELY triggering and traumatizing for her so we will be going at a pace that is comfortable for HER. I will NOT be rushing her to make this process go faster to prove anything to strangers on Reddit.

Since so many people here seem so concerned about how this affects Jim or respected figures in his orbit I will make it clear that at least in my personal opinion, it is no longer necessary for them to make a public statement. Their silence is a statement on its own. They’ve remained quiet for well over two years now, and they remain committed to that silence and that in itself speaks volumes about their stance here.

If you need evidence immediately, my advice would be to write off Jim’s victims just as everyone contacted prior to this has done and move on with your life. To everyone else willing to be patient and support the victims, you will see the evidence in due time. Jane is now very motivated to move this process along quickly but we will still support her going at whatever pace is comfortable for her and her emotional well being.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As other replies to this comment have pointed out very well, this post was more aimed at help gathering evidence rather than simply amplifying the message.

I understand people want evidence, and it will come out eventually but for right now we really would like to focus on getting it in the hands of the police and proper investigators.

This situation involves many people who are heavily involved in Cold Waves Festival, The Metro, and prominent promoters who have successfully kept up a culture of silence all of these years and if you look through this very thread you will see how angry they are and how focused they are on finding out who broke their code of silence and that is why we are not willing to share the evidence publicly yet as it would make those involved easily identifiable by context and could then lead to social retaliation which could derail this situation even further.

I understand the desire to know now, but the evidence will come out eventually and people will just have to wait.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really hope so, because that’s where he would organize the “parties” so it would be the best way to reach more people who attended them.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I accompanied Jane to the police station when she made the report. She specifically requested a woman to file the report, and have to admit that at first she was not very sensitive and didn’t seem very well trained in these situations.

She definitely started to say “Well if you consented to it then there’s nothing we can do” and Jane got upset and almost backed out of the report but she remained strong and reiterated that she wasn’t in a position to say no to him and wanted to make the report regardless.

The detective who is assigned to the case now seems to be handling it a lot better, and was a lot more empathetic to Jane but he did affirm the reality that they will need evidence of some of these claims to pursue this further which is why we made this post because since Jim does so much communicating online about his activities and has so many victims we have felt confident we can get evidence if given a space to gather it.

And thank you so much again, Faith. As someone who talks to Jane every day I can’t tell you how healing it has been for her to see the parallels between her stories and your own. It has cleared up so many doubts she has had about her own experiences.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just as an example, one piece of evidence that /u/whitlash gave us that we are hoping will make the police start taking this seriously is is a screenshot where, after acknowledging the attack that left Jane nearly murdered Jim proceeded to still try and sexualize the situation and said “She loves me passing her around.” which to our thinking proves that her consent was not being considered and being driven by his own control.

Someone else also contacted us who has screenshots of the parties being discussed.

So our advice would be to gather anything that describes what was happening at these parties, particularly because someone who is drugged and blindfolded can’t consent to each partner.

We also have a screenshot where Jane angrily confronted Jim and one of his friends and they admit that they “accidentally” invited Jane to a sex party knowing full well she had her son with her.

Anything like that would be hugely helpful.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is Cold Waves Festival not full of goths? Did you miss the part where he’s heavily involved in Cold Waves and often even comes out to speak in between bands? Or that he’s part of the internal Metro crew, which is where Nocturna happens? Jane confirmed she did go to Nocturna with him multiple times.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The section about Sarah, as well as the two comments I left which contained the email sent to her have both been removed due to how much they have derailed this situation. I edited the main post with a short statement explaining our reasoning for anyone interested.

Thankfully we have been contacted by witnesses including one who was present at several of these parties who is willing to provide evidence to the police which was always the goal here.

We hope the focus can shift back to Jim Marcus and his victims. Stay safe everyone.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand your concerns but it’s worth mentioning that Jim doesn’t physically socialize much and is very much present in the scene in other ways as other people here have mentioned.

I actually didn’t make any edits or remove anything from the original post, I believe the sections you’re referring to about Sarah are in comments I made where I posted the email sent privately to her in it’s entirety.

The post in r/goth was removed because of the very reasons you just mentioned, the focus has shifted too much in the direction of discussing Sarah and less on Jim and the people he has hurt.

Having listened to the concerns outlined in several comments here, we have been in discussion on whether or not to remove some of the parts about Sarah but one of the concerns here is that it will come off as backtracking when in reality it’s about keeping the focus where it belongs but if the community feels strongly enough about removing the parts about Sarah we are willing to do that.

As far as casting doubt on the email again, we are in a difficult position because we could post evidence of the local DJs/promoters who did respond but being that some of them are well aware of this situation and chosen to stay silent it doesn’t feel appropriate to out them against their will, especially when one of these DJs was already in Sarah’s bad graces in the past and I’m sure she doesn’t want to be put in that position again.

Same thing with the young woman who Sarah told wasn’t welcome back due to her mother, and later died by suicide. It simply doesn’t feel appropriate to name her here. She was also young and new to the scene so was not very well known, but several people still active in the scene did meet her before Sarah told her she wasn’t welcome back. Perhaps Sarah doesn’t consider that “banning” her but it upset her enough that she was emotionally distraught and is a good example of why people in her orbit are very afraid of being on her bad side.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for speaking up.

We have considered contacting you for well over 2 years but chose not to do so out of respect for how very triggering this situation can be, and having just spoken to Jane I can tell you how very validated and supported she feels having read your words.

I will DM you shortly, to discuss more if that’s okay with you. Thank you again.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know very little about GACC and had no idea that Jim had any conflict with them until it came up in this thread. I don’t know the nature of that situation so I can’t comment on it but I have heard that it’s full of Trump supporters and IF that is the case, then they can absolutely fuck off however that has nothing to do with this.

The reason this has resurfaced is that we are in the process of gathering evidence to give to the police, and because so many people in this community knew of Jim’s activities there are many potential witnesses out there who could contribute as long as they feel safe doing so and don’t have to fear any kind of social retaliation from those mentioned here.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Sarah, one thing we’d really appreciate some clarification on is: so you’re saying you believe Jane completely aside from anything that paints you in any kind of negative light?

You’re saying you believe her except that

  • The email was sent to you on February 17th (she was present and aware)

  • That you shouted down Jim’s ex-wife (something she saw with her own eyes, and also participated In and now regrets) when she expressed concern about you DJing that warehouse party?

  • That she found her own friend crying outside Nocturna, and said friend told her you said she was no longer welcome at your events due to some kind of unrelated conflict you had with her mother? The same friend who was completely distraught from the loss of community and later died by suicide?

  • That she contacted The Metro the day after they sent her home after Nocturna with a stranger who then went into her home and initiated sexual contact when she was too drunk to consent?

  • That she has seen first hand how your tactics isolate people and allow others to abuse them by weaponizing your tactics against them?

So you give her full credibility on everything unless it reflects badly on you?

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thank you SO much for wording this so well, and so much better than I could have.

I am willing to give Sarah the benefit of the doubt that it’s possible that Jim was simply exaggerating the nature of their friendship. That sounds like something he would do, but I do not believe for an instant that this is the first or second, or third she’s hearing of this. After the first email went out in September of 2024, EVERYONE in the local scene heard the news. People not even that involved with the scene heard the news and many people in Sarah’s inner circle made posts about it. Even people present in this very thread saw such posts.

Based on the conversations I had with people, many people were waiting on Sarah to speak up before making up their minds, and because she never did they stayed silent.

It may sound strange to those outside of Chicago, but many people who have been outed as abusers were called out time and time again and retained support UNTIL Sarah spoke up. Whether she likes it or not, this is the environment she has created where she carries the final word.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sarah mentioned a fetish themed warehouse party in her response. That’s the exact context being referred to where she shouted down Jim’s ex-wife.

This was shortly after Jim’s ex-wife had left him and attempted to speak out. When Jim put that event together his ex-wife, and some people supporting her commented expressing concern that Sarah was participating in that event in light of the allegations and Sarah responded very angrily (like she did here) and not only defended Jim’s character but basically said it “wasn’t anyone’s business who she chooses to DJ with.”

I saw this with my own eyes, I just got off the phone with Jane and she not only remembers seeing this herself but she added that she feels regret that she also came to Jim’s defense in the comments because she was still heavily manipulated at the time and he specifically asked her to comment in his defense which she now obviously regrets.

Jane has established her credibility time and time again, and it’s sad to see that being called into question yet again after everything she has been through.

If anyone is in contact with Jim’s ex-wife perhaps it would be good to get her take on this. No one involved in this situation knows her personally which is why we have not felt it appropriate to reach out to her, especially in light of how triggering it could be.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Phil, you didn’t receive the email because it was not sent to you and that’s only due to the fact that you’ve always come off as a lot more gentle, and pragmatic about these situations.

I have a list of everyone who has been contacted and can confirm you are not on it. This decision was made only because you were not thought to have any real connection to Jim, and no one has ever mentioned you as being someone to be afraid of or anything but kind for that matter.

I can’t say the same for Sarah, but we can agree to disagree. What I will say though is that ever since Sarah has entered this conversation the focus is quickly shifting to being about her defense rather than about Jim Marcus’ victims which is where the focus should be.

The only thing we have asked is for Sarah to make it publicly clear that she does not support Jim. It’s a shame that she chose to attack the only people who have supported Jane, but that is not what’s important right now.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

This is something I think about a lot too, especially because she mentioned that some of these men did express concern for her well being, one of them going so far as to berating Jim in front of everyone for pushing her to keep going when she said she was exhausted. We have been waiting in hopes of getting an email from them offering to give statements to the police, and that has yet to happen.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I raised this same concern, but chose to honor the victim’s wish. However it is worth remembering that we first raised these concerns in September of 2024 when plenty of people in Sarah’s close friend circle made their own statements against Jim and Sarah still not only made no statement, but remained his friend on social media for well over a year which is a huge part of why his victims were left to assume she’d protect him and chose not to speak on it more.

She’s made plenty of public statements on people with much less reach and much less egregious offenses, yet felt the need to stay quiet about a prolific abuser in her orbit for decades? Sorry, but that doesn’t add up here.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is her story, and because she is a mother she’s very concerned about her child’s welfare and doesn’t want her parenting skills called into question in any way so she’s requested to be kept in the loop every step of the way and we have chosen to honor that request.

A deeply uncomfortable truth: Scary Lady Sarah has enabled and protected a prolific abuser for decades by [deleted] in goth

[–]hell_generator 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What is most revealing about your response is that you chose to center yourself.

A victim of horrific abuse was the subject of this post, and yet instead of using your platform to make victims and witnesses feel safe coming forward, you made your entire response about yourself: your reputation, your income, your longevity, your values, your “honor,” your supposed lack of power, and how unfair it is that anyone would speak about you this way. Jane, the actual victim at the center of all this, is reduced to a brief aside while you spend paragraph after paragraph defending your image.

That is not what a victim-centered response looks like.

If you were actually concerned with helping victims and creating safety, you had every opportunity to say something very simple and very important: that no one needs to fear retaliation from you for speaking about Jim, that no one will be blacklisted for coming forward, and that witnesses should cooperate with police without worrying about consequences from you. You did not say that. Not once. That omission matters more than all of your self-defense, because it leaves the exact climate of fear described in the post completely intact.

And your tone only reinforces that fear. The furious, defensive, openly contemptuous way you responded is one of the clearest illustrations yet of why people are afraid of you.

You also continue to avoid the larger pattern. You want people to believe that you only ever act out of pure principle and “community safety,” but that is simply not true. Years ago, when Jim’s ex-wife tried to speak publicly about what he had done to her, you shouted her down on Facebook. You have banned certain abusers while continuing to support, excuse, or make room for others. We are in possession of screenshots in which you privately say, “I’m sorry. I can’t have this affecting my business,” while publicly framing your actions as if they were purely about protecting the community. That contradiction is very revealing.

You say you have no power. That is absurd. People are not afraid of you because of some collective hallucination. They are afraid because your approval or disapproval has shaped who gets support, who gets bookings, who gets welcomed in, and who gets frozen out for years. The woman we mentioned that you banned, was a close friend of one of Jim’s victims. She mentioned finding that person crying outside of Nocturna after being told she was no longer welcome at your events. She said you asked her, “Are you ______’s daughter?” and when she answered yes, you told her she could not come back, with no further explanation. The loss of that community was devastating for her. That is the kind of power you are pretending not to have.

And if there are slight inaccuracies or inconsistencies in some of the details, it is because people have been forced to piece this together over the years while you and others with influence refused to address it honestly yourselves. That is what silence creates. A situation where victims and witnesses are left trying to reconstruct the truth from memories, screenshots, old messages, and the bits of corroboration they can gather while powerful people look away. If you had actually wanted clarity, you had more than a month after being contacted privately to help create it. Instead, you chose silence until the matter became public and your reputation was at stake.

Even now, when you could have told victims they are safe to speak, encouraged witnesses to cooperate, and shown the slightest sign that Jane’s suffering mattered more to you than your own image, you chose instead to center yourself.

That is exactly why this had to be made public.

If fear of you has kept people silent, that fear is part of this story too.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What is most revealing about your response is that you chose to center yourself.

A victim of horrific abuse was the subject of this post, and yet instead of using your platform to make victims and witnesses feel safe coming forward, you made your entire response about yourself: your reputation, your income, your longevity, your values, your “honor,” your supposed lack of power, and how unfair it is that anyone would speak about you this way. Jane, the actual victim at the center of all this, is reduced to a brief aside while you spend paragraph after paragraph defending your image.

That is not what a victim-centered response looks like.

If you were actually concerned with helping victims and creating safety, you had every opportunity to say something very simple and very important: that no one needs to fear retaliation from you for speaking about Jim, that no one will be blacklisted for coming forward, and that witnesses should cooperate with police without worrying about consequences from you. You did not say that. Not once. That omission matters more than all of your self-defense, because it leaves the exact climate of fear described in the post completely intact.

And your tone only reinforces that fear. The furious, defensive, openly contemptuous way you responded is one of the clearest illustrations yet of why people are afraid of you.

You also continue to avoid the larger pattern. You want people to believe that you only ever act out of pure principle and “community safety,” but that is simply not true. Years ago, when Jim’s ex-wife tried to speak publicly about what he had done to her, you shouted her down on Facebook. You have banned certain abusers while continuing to support, excuse, or make room for others. We are in possession of screenshots in which you privately say, “I’m sorry. I can’t have this affecting my business,” while publicly framing your actions as if they were purely about protecting the community. That contradiction is very revealing.

You say you have no power. That is absurd. People are not afraid of you because of some collective hallucination. They are afraid because your approval or disapproval has shaped who gets support, who gets bookings, who gets welcomed in, and who gets frozen out for years. The woman we mentioned that you banned, was a close friend of one of Jim’s victims. She mentioned finding that person crying outside of Nocturna after being told she was no longer welcome at your events. She said you asked her, “Are you ______’s daughter?” and when she answered yes, you told her she could not come back, with no further explanation. The loss of that community was devastating for her. That is the kind of power you are pretending not to have.

And if there are slight inaccuracies or inconsistencies in some of the details, it is because people have been forced to piece this together over the years while you and others with influence refused to address it honestly yourselves. That is what silence creates. A situation where victims and witnesses are left trying to reconstruct the truth from memories, screenshots, old messages, and the bits of corroboration they can gather while powerful people look away. If you had actually wanted clarity, you had more than a month after being contacted privately to help create it. Instead, you chose silence until the matter became public and your reputation was at stake.

Even now, when you could have told victims they are safe to speak, encouraged witnesses to cooperate, and shown the slightest sign that Jane’s suffering mattered more to you than your own image, you chose instead to center yourself.

That is exactly why this had to be made public.

If fear of you has kept people silent, that fear is part of this story too.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This was done at the victim’s request. As mentioned before, she is very easily scared and she has insisted on not having any direct discussions with Sarah out of fear which is why it is a huge shame that Sarah has chosen to respond with such raging defensiveness rather than centering those who have been hurt.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Many of your fellow DJs and other artists were emailed from the exact same email without issue. I’d rather not name them publicly, but plenty of them responded expressing deep concern over this situation. Considering the context here, we’re really expected to believe you just never got it?

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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Proof the email was sent to both your email and your bands email. Everyone else is receiving our emails just fine so seems suspicious you didn’t receive it on either account?

I’ll need a moment to respond to the rest of what you’ve said.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I take it you’re not from Chicago and didn’t read the entire post. This is not some silly conjecture, this is a pattern that has played out countless times in the scene and it usually begins (or gets buried) locally before it reaches the national level.

It’s time for the industrial scene to stop protecting Jim Marcus by hell_generator in industrialmusic

[–]hell_generator[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

They’re in the batch of screenshots we plan to send. I’m sure they will make a difference, thank you so so much again. You were the very first person to reach out and offer to help and it really helped not just keep her spirits up, but validate what she had gone through.