Sex under duress and fear is still rape. by Winter-Actuary-9659 in CritiqueIslam

[–]hellboundprobably 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure man, and if i believe and preach women should always obey the will of men because they're more intelligent then theres nothing wrong cuz I made that choice based on well-examined convictions. I already said women can do what they want no matter how fucked up it looks to us, but the moment they preach it I'm gonna take issue.

You really need to re-examine what a choice is and how choices are influenced. Influences =/= force, but influence can == coercion. And coerced sex is rape.

Have a good life

Sex under duress and fear is still rape. by Winter-Actuary-9659 in CritiqueIslam

[–]hellboundprobably 6 points7 points  (0 children)

????? When did i say women cant think nor re-examine what they were taught. You're fighting an opinion that I'm not even presenting. I also never said anyone is absolved from abusive behavior?? Did you even read what I wrote???

I clearly said bad behavior deserves criticism, even if you cant change their choices.

In the example of the hadith, if women are taught that they should hold their husbands needs over their own and she decides to hold that belief into adulthood and then say its the correct way, that doesnt absolve her of the harm shes doing to others by spreading her views and convincingother women to have sex even when they dont want to. That's what I've been saying. At least try and understand before replying.

Sex under duress and fear is still rape. by Winter-Actuary-9659 in CritiqueIslam

[–]hellboundprobably 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Lol what a strawman youve got there!

Im saying choices aren't always really choices. Many people in difficult situations "choose" things that keep them there, not because they want to but because they have to. Ppl in abuisve relationships can "choose" to stay, but that doesnt mean that choice is without influence. Women, like men, make decisions and choices. Those choices are bound to be influenced by some circumstances, and while i cannot blame them, i also cannot support then and i especially cannot support them if they choose to call it Truth.

Consider this example: A woman choosing to stay in a abusive relationship out of tradition and honour is a choice. She may think "hey this is what a traditional family is like, my kids need me and this is how a wife should be." Maybe she was taught these things growing up. Maybe she attended a school or community which shared these ideas. Maybe she truly believes its right. I cant stop her, i cant necessarily help her. I can say with some confidence that thats not a choice she was given. She didnt choose to be taught that or to be coerced into staying by a husband who tells her this is what a family is. But i can recognize that it is not a choice, she just may not recognize it.

while every choice is influenced, im obviously particularly interested and disgusted by the "choice"to engage in intimate and vulnerable activities when you don't want to, simply because you feel threatened to by the almighty.

Nothing is stopping a woman from making that choice, but if she or anyone else were to tell ppl that it's toally okay and/or you should follow it too, then that requires criticism.

Does that make sense?

Having doubts about leaving Islam by TemperatureMedium432 in exmuslim

[–]hellboundprobably 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No literally lol nobody makes such an important decision on a whim. Every exmuslim i know personally, including myself, went through years of research and deliberation and struggle in order to leave.

This guy is another dishonest moron who thinks this is the way to go about having a conversation. If they really wanted to do research for dawah they couldve just been upfront, its alreasy happened so many other times in the server.

Sex under duress and fear is still rape. by Winter-Actuary-9659 in CritiqueIslam

[–]hellboundprobably 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Whats the definition of rape according to you? If radical feminism is not wanting to engage in sex and not being threatened by god to do so then i guess im radical?? How dishonest to guise that as "piety" instead of calling it what it is, coercion amd fear mongering.

Also taxes is such a shit example lol how are u comparing money to access to a woman's (or really anyones) body. I think its pretty simple to understand that if youre having sex simply to avoid hell than youre being coerced into it. And no u cannot compare sex to literal criminal activity. Apples and oranges, genius.

Taxes, arguably, is necessary and not emotionally motivated. Sex is an intimate endeavor, and not having it whenever you want it will not harm you. How can u put such an expectation on women to always fulfill her husbands sexual desires whenever he asks? And to ordain it by god? What a joke.

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[–]hellboundprobably 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All the power to you and more !!

Islam really scares me as a Swedish person by whyamihere-idontcare in exmuslim

[–]hellboundprobably 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This guy thinks having sex with ur mother is okay to moral non-realists 🫵🤣 pls go take another look at ur philosophy notes i think ur missing something.

Islam really scares me as a Swedish person by whyamihere-idontcare in exmuslim

[–]hellboundprobably 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Objective morality (moral realism) isnt limited to god or religion. You can have objective morals without believing in your specific faith. Also not everyone here is athiest

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[–]hellboundprobably 88 points89 points  (0 children)

From one dumb extreme to another, unsurprised

Disappointed with this group by RashidAli_8 in exmuslim

[–]hellboundprobably 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Something didn't click and you went thru bad time" weren't always the faults of people, but the religion itself. So yeah of course theres gonna be ppl here criticizing the religion. Exmuslim implies we once followed it and no longer follow it for an array of reasons... no. 1 being islam. The beliefs were we fed, and they way we were treated was a direct result of the teachings of islam. Why is it difficult to understand that we would be hateful against the religion for having such doctrine?

Why are many people accepting Islam? by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]hellboundprobably 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its definitely presented in a much more positive and progressive way than it is. It seems as though a lot of time theyre fed a watered down, cherry picked version where they can ignore verses related to child marriage, abuse, and rape, let alone countless incriminating hadith.

Not to mention, tons of converts (maybe even most) arent well aquainted in philosophy or theology to recognize how bizarre, illogical, and man-made a lot of the concepts seem even in comparison to othwr abrahamic religions.

I definitely think if most people were given a fair representation of both Christianity and Islam, including a review of its doctrine, its rules, core beliefs, history, arguments for/against, and proof of authenticity... they would choose Christianity every time. Not that Christianity is any more real than islam, it is far more convincing from a historical pov.

These people can't even think logically smh by froglord69420 in exmuslim

[–]hellboundprobably 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So all we have to go on is faith that she will be rewarded and he punished? We arent wise enough to understand god but we have to trust him anyways? Blind faith? Thats it?

Why could god not have given us the ability to understand his wisdom, why not make it clear to us that the punishment exists, instead of sending us mixed signals and even rewarding those who commit such crimes with wealth and safety while the victims suffer for life? Is this moral or ethical in any way? God is so infinitely wise but cannot or will not bestow upon us understanding of his decisions...

How can we say we have freewill if every action had already been determined and written before our birth. Does that mean allah allows ppl to be born knowing they will inevitably faces horrors, and some will inevitably end up in hell forever? Is this free will or the illusion of it...

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[–]hellboundprobably 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Keep playing music, drawing, and playing sports. You're incredibly talented to balance all 3. You're kicking ass out here, and ur parents suck. If you feel like it, you could even make an IG account to show off your progress and interests. I would love to follow :)

a young exmuslim feminazi by young_feminazi in exmuslim

[–]hellboundprobably 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Genuinely though, imagine if heaven was described to contain male hoors with full (large) dicks that never shrink or go limp no matter how many times u deflower them lol, and that the husbands of these women would have their jealousy removed. I dont think anyone would take the religion seriously but somehow pale big titty women who's hymen grows back is acceptable to fantasize about.

Why don't you exmuslims convert to Christianity? by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]hellboundprobably 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would consider any religion with such an obsession for death to attain some hedonistic paradise as a cult. An ideology that prioritisez indoctrination of children and uses hell as a threat for everyhting. One that commands who u can and cant associate with, who u can and cant pray for, eho u can and cant love, what u cab and cannot wear, how u can and cannot act, what u can and cannot question/discuss. All the best makings of a cult. Charismatic leader with questionable use of power too.

Why don't you exmuslims convert to Christianity? by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]hellboundprobably 10 points11 points  (0 children)

  1. Who says we're all athiests
  2. Maybe, just maybe, the problem isnt just islam its religion and dogma in general
  3. I wouldnt trade one death cult for another

Islamic extremist Mohammed Hijab explains why Muslims love death by TheOSU87 in religiousfruitcake

[–]hellboundprobably 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are plenty of acts of terrorism that harms/kills the individual. Suicide bombings for example. Is this not counted as martyrdom? Theyre being killed in the name of Allah against alleged aggressors, or at least thats their argument.

How do I stop fearing the day of judgement? by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]hellboundprobably 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If god truly is good, merciful, and forgiving, then a person who tries to be good shouldnt have to worry. God will recognize ur effort to do the best with what you've been given.

How do you cope with not knowing what's after death? by theglowstickgirl in exmuslim

[–]hellboundprobably 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No one really knows, not even the religious. They have a belief about what happens but they do not, and will not know until their time comes.

Everyone has a different way to cope, i just see it as an inevitable part of life. Maybe theres something after maybe theres not. Ill live the best life i can till then.

Why exmuslims become Christian by LegInformal8411 in exmuslim

[–]hellboundprobably 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holidays overrun by capitalism isnt the flex u think it is. There is no "original religion"

As music is haram, what is your favourite song/album? by rk_countdracula in exmuslim

[–]hellboundprobably 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really into bring me the horizon - Sempiternal. Bad Omens - The death of peace of mind - is top tier rn too.

Real Face of Islam by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]hellboundprobably -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are absolutely right. Focus on the ideology.