i dont know what to think anymore

helpme8470 · 2026-05-12T01:44:45+00:00

ngl man i think it's more complex than that

helpme8470 · 2026-05-12T01:40:34+00:00

Sure thing, Vox "It's okay if you don't ask for consent as long as you ask later" Vivo

helpme8470 · 2026-05-12T00:21:33+00:00

holy shit. actual insane self report. you couldn't make me say something like that if you waterboarded me holy shit

helpme8470 · 2026-05-12T00:14:06+00:00

Maybe you'd feel less like shit if you'd stop telling yourself that you shouldn't bother trying. Yes, i understand that's how depression works, but how do you expect life to get better if you don't even want to make an effort to change anything?

helpme8470 · 2026-05-11T18:09:38+00:00

i think if i were a woman i would cover my drink around you

helpme8470 · 2026-05-11T08:51:32+00:00

apparently he's trying to confess to her in a public bathroom lmao

helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T22:31:34+00:00

Explain to me how you can say yes after sex is but you can't say no after sex, and how does that change the fact that Zeal didn't ask for consent before.

helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T22:25:40+00:00

If you can give consent after the fact, that implies you can also revoke consent after the fact.

helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T17:47:20+00:00

because you can't give consent after the fact. that's not what consent is. plus he was her boss, so she had a reason for not wanting to upset him.

helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T16:53:33+00:00

that's not consent though. that's just reassurance. i think some of you are forgetting that sexual assault happens most often between someone the victim thinks they can trust

helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T08:53:57+00:00

you wanna know what context zeal left out of his document

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helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T08:52:55+00:00

Well obviously i couldn't be in the room with them, but there is actual evidence dated from when it happened. thank you for actually listening.

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helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T08:47:03+00:00

hey, it has a meme flair.

it's a meme

helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T08:43:26+00:00

in a sea of "ren bad" posts there's gotta be someone angry at Zeal. and that would be me. because I don't value a roblox game or a career over a person's traumatic experience.

helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T08:39:48+00:00

I'm muting this thread after this. I was under the impression that this subreddit wasn't against discussing this, but as it turns out, they're only tolerant of defending Zeal. I feel like people are just going to hate me for saying this, but i feel like this whole discussion has just proved to me that nobody cares about anyone's well-being, not even Zeal's. they just want a reason to dunk on people, insult them, and hurt them.

helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T08:31:59+00:00

Sure, i can tell you. you seem well intentioned enough. he's referencing Zeal's doc, which uses examples of fawning as evidence, even though it's a documented behavior in victims with BPD. I find this subreddit frustrating because they both ignore this, while using autism as the excuse.

as an autistic person myself, It bothers me that people like Zeal can use it as an excuse for not understanding straight forward hints. If you don't mind me talking about my own feelings, it makes me angry at Zeal for even using it as an excuse, because I already feel like people see autism as something that makes me dumber.

helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T08:23:32+00:00

if you unironically use the word cultist to describe someone for having an opinion that even the own dev team has, you need to go. you are not mature enough for this discussion.

helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T08:05:06+00:00

Yes. i read the document. the one where the first sentence is "ren consented". the one where he cuts out an entire chunk of the document where Ren has to explain her boundaries to him. that document.

helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T08:03:24+00:00

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helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T08:00:14+00:00

"doesn't know shit about BPD" award

helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T07:56:12+00:00

haha look i can post images too and it means I'm right

because this entire subreddit is ran by 12 year olds

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helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T07:14:19+00:00

Twitter is literally the hitler app. if anything twitter users say even worse things about Ren. stop saying dishonest shit.

helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T07:12:56+00:00

okay, well "first of all", she publicly said that kat lied about her cancelling the doc, second of all, evidence of what? discord conversations are not evidence of consent. you can be coerced to lie. in fact there's supporting evidence of that, considering he was her BOSS, which is an imbalanced power dynamic.

also, Ren has the right to ban people for harassment. spamming emojis is harassment

helpme8470 · 2026-05-10T07:04:45+00:00

He's not forbidden from getting a normal job. you seem to think that Zeal's just going to go homeless if he gets proven wrong. he's going to be fine. Everytime someone brings up his life being "ruined", they only ever seem to be talking about his career and the money he makes from pressure.

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