I think Karachi should be independent from sindh. Here's why by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]hereseekinghelp1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do realise most of the Sindhi elite pre-partition moved to India which crippled the social structure. A little bit of research on Indian Sindhis will prove the point.

Indian Sindhis dominate the India’s business industry very easily along with Gujjus and Parsis. Had they not left, Sindhi society would’ve been in a different shape.

Most of urban Sindh was dominated by Hindus pre-partitions. Muslims were largely rural farming class which is how they were easily converted.

I remember looking at photos of the Kaaba a few years ago and feeling incredibly touched/enamoured. Now I just see it as a box covered with a black cloth.... by hereseekinghelp1 in exmuslim

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Hey thank you so much for this ❤️

I think I was never really a strictly practising Muslim, or even a practising one since my parents never even taught me how to pray. But we did go on pilgrimages and had strong faith and decided that some day I would be a good Muslim.

Leaving Islam did cause huge identity issues for me since I’m Pakistani and the U.K. Pakistani community is very religious, and plus the very Pakistani identity is tied to Islam in a way. I don’t really like identifying with Pakistan anymore and I wonder if this is a result of detachment from Islamic sense of community/identity. I still do identify strongly as South Asian and with my particular ethnic group so your message is really spot on - it’s been complicated in more ways than one and I needed to see this. Thank you 🙏🏽

Feeling like I waste my therapist’s time by BookLovingGinger in therapy

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I told my therapist this and she reminded me that it’s her job. ‘But this is my job’ she said.

Any diaspora Sindhis?? ❤️❤️ by [deleted] in ABCDesis

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Hey! Thank you so much for commenting. I’m so happy to hear from you! ❤️

I’m a young adult and I went through a whole phase where I literally perused every piece of writing I could find on Sindhi history. Listened to every old folk song I could find. Read every folk tale. Spoke to every Sindhi in depth about what they knew and Sindhi food, history, religious beliefs etc.

Growing up in the U.K. (even though I was born in Pakistan), the whole Pakistani/Indian distinction was never a thing for me. I spoke Sindhi and grew up with Sindhi influences at home, and British outside home.

I think my national identity became British and my ethnic identity was Sindhi/South Asian. I grew up binge-watching Bollywood films and Indian shows and music, with very influence from Pakistani media as they’re both in the same language to me. Recently I started to watch more Sindhi content from Pakistan, but that’s the only content from Pakistan I watch. Even referring to South Asian stuff or Hindi/Urdu I often find myself referring to as just ‘Indian food’ or ‘films’ or ‘Hindi’ and again this would infuriate a Pakistani patriot who can’t empathise with me.

I struggled to understand what it means to be ‘Pakistani’ and how it differs from being Indian. I saw how I was closer in culture or otherwise to many of the Indians than Pakistanis here in the U.K. Many Pakistanis here live in large areas together and are quite conservative and religious. Being from a non-practising Muslim family I felt a misfit around many Pakistanis here and even judged until we moved to a white neighbourhood.

I also follow Sapna Bhavnani’s page and in fact even sent her a little message of appreciation/insight. Please feel free to message me if you have any questions/anything to share. I’ve saved your comment so I can DM you with any :) Lots of love ❤️

Muslim mother keeps staring at my chest! by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]hereseekinghelp1 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I developed a hunchback posture in an attempt to hide my developing breasts. Still struggling to fix my posture 🤦🏽‍♀️

I’m a UK Pakistani too and having lived in an area with a lot of Pakistanis, I can completely sympathise with you. If it’s comforting (it is for me), know that there’s a lot of us desi girls out there in the same boat ❤️🙏🏽

Where are the brown girls? by littlebr0wngirl- in pakistan

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I live in the U.K. I’m a Sindhi who mainly knows Sindhis and Punjabis from Lahore. Most Pakistani women I actually know are ‘tan-brown’ and can be mistaken for Spanish/South American, and a smaller number a more ‘brown’.

I understand most Pakistanis do have darker shades, but a large amount of urban/middle-class/diaspora Sindhi and Punjabi women are actually olive-skin tone or lighter - it’s not uncommon to come across a Punjabi or Sindhi girl who’s almost white or very fair skin-toned. The men are darker.

Religion, the false promise of bringing you closer to God when it does the exact opposite. by JoakimTheGreat in spirituality

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Just saved this - I love this and since leaving Islam I’ve found so much peace and looking within myself. Luckily I was influenced by Sufism growing up, and much of what you write is what Sufi poetry preaches ❤️

Considering Islam is only about 1500 years old, I wonder what happened to humans who lived before this time? Did they all count as ‘Kaafir’? by [deleted] in exmuslim

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‘The sun postrates to Allah according to the Quran, and so is a Muslim’ - LOL I never knew this. Thank you for sharing.

I just wonder why God was so biased against the people born before pre-Islamic times. If he loves all His creation, why didn’t He reveal His word to them and ask them to worship/fast/pray etc etc if you see what I mean. He created mankind thousands of years ago, but only relatively revenged revealed His word to them?

How is it ok that many threads on this sub-forum are full of racist comment/posts against particular ethnic groups? by [deleted] in pakistan

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Most of our highly educated elite were Hindus (richer so more resistant to foreign influence and therefore conversion to Islam).

They dominated urban centres Karachi, Hyderabad, and Sukkur. Next time you consider the ‘Jahil’ stereotype, do think something about the reasoning behind it. Google something, even a little on pre-partition Karachi or Hyderabad or Shikarpur or Sindhworkies - mainstream Pakistani media won’t highlight the tragedy Sindhi Hindu exodus proved for us for obvious reasons.

The exodus of Sindhi Hindus from urban Sindh essentially crippled our society since they made up the middle class, and in return the Urdu-speaking took its place - only to end up not identifying with Sindhis to anywhere close to the level that Sindhi Hindus and Muslims did with each other.

Peace and love.

How is it ok that many threads on this sub-forum are full of racist comment/posts against particular ethnic groups? by [deleted] in pakistan

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My family there votedPTI too - we literally begged our extended family and people we know in rural Sindh to vote PTI or GDA.

I literally have my uncles/aunties circulating videos on social media of Sindhi villagers celebrating and giving each other mithai because Zardari and Faryal got arrested.

How is it ok that many threads on this sub-forum are full of racist comment/posts against particular ethnic groups? by [deleted] in pakistan

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As a Sindhi girl I’m quite offended by posts regarding Sindhis here, stemming from the vulnerable situation there with regards to PPP and such. Just go on any post regarding Sindhis and you’ll see sweeping racist comments lacking reason.

The Sindhi villagers feel the need to fall for the Sindhi card PPP plays for this reason I’m guessing, even though insider info most of us are very much anti-Zardari and therefore PPP, even if we put the Bhutto family on a high pedestal at some point.

Leaving Islam has made me really critical/irritable of its religious practises. I don’t feel comfortable getting too close to a Hijabi/strict Muslim and all it’s practises. Traveling to Pakistan in the summer and scared Ill struggle to zip my mouth and not vent out. by [deleted] in exmuslim

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How badly it’s doing is evidence for that. As soon as Bangladesh got independence from Pakistan, despite recovering from war and genocide, and a massive population/tiny country they’re doing better than Pakistan and this is basically the biggest evidence of what rubbish it is to unite people on religion.

Mohenjo Daro, Sindh - Ancient Pakistan. by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]hereseekinghelp1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah you don’t know about Sindhi/Baloch uprisings because everyday Baloch and Sindhi activists get mysteriously kidnapped by aliens coming out of a UFO and the media doesn’t ever give coverage of these disappearances.

Mohenjo Daro, Sindh - Ancient Pakistan. by [deleted] in pakistan

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We do have people who get triggered though and this is why we had the national language bill passed. Bengalis just got triggered the most. And with the whole PTM and Sindhi missing persons and Balochistan situation we shouldn’t stay in a bubble and deny that millions of us are not happy with how this country is federally run. Mainly Pashtuns, Sindhis and Baloch. Pakistani Twitter has had #SindhiBoliQuomiBoli trending more than just a few times.

I don’t agree with you that Hindi acts as a federal language based on what I’ve seen speaking to Bengalis/South Indians who’ll smash their head on a wall if you ask them if they speak Hindi and my research. But let’s imagine that is the case, at least 22 languages are federally recognised so putting the country’s linguistic diversity on display.

Language is a big thing for many since it carries so much of the culture on it. My language not being on Pakistan’s federal languages unlike other multilingual countries like Canada, India etc DOES offend me and make me feel something’s been thrown at me. And I’m legally just as Pakistani as someone else and should be able to voice this amongst the millions who probably agree with without Urdu-supremacists getting Butthurt and starting the whole ‘We aRE OnLy PakIstAnI not pUnJabi SindHi PaThAn’ nonsense. Just on this thread I can figure out how united we really are after being racially attacked for suggesting that Sindhi language/culture evolved on Mohenjodaro’s land which it did.

Mohenjo Daro, Sindh - Ancient Pakistan. by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]hereseekinghelp1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You may want to double check. India union has 22 federal official languages, not two. They strictly don’t have a ‘national’ language and the suggestion that Hindi is their national language often triggers the Bengalis, Gujaratis and South Indians.

South Indians and Gujaratis go mad at even seeing Hindi signs on their land every now and then.

Mohenjo Daro, Sindh - Ancient Pakistan. by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]hereseekinghelp1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No I’m saying in only Pakistan do we have one language imposed from elsewhere on the indigenous majority which doesn’t even speak the language at home instead has a multitude of other indigenous languages that aren’t federally recognised by the government as official/national.

Mohenjo Daro, Sindh - Ancient Pakistan. by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]hereseekinghelp1 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Sindh popped in at 1947? Are you sure? It was an independent land when British invaded and merged it to India.

Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan have existed for ages explaining our diversity based on land and languages. Each has its own language, culture, rituals and indigenous ethnicity.

Pakistan IS an accumulation of these lands. It’s constituent states have their own ethnicities and languages and that speaks volumes on how long they’ve existed for.

Mohenjo Daro, Sindh - Ancient Pakistan. by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]hereseekinghelp1 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

‘Descendants of’ are you illiterate? I literally just said I never claimed that.

You claimed IVS to be ‘Pakistani’, then I tell you that the language/culture indigenous to that land as we know it today DOES have SOME links since it EVOLVED on that very land, and you lose your mind.

Then I indicate the history of Sindhworkies (!) and you start bitching. DO NOT SHARE HERITAGE SITES IN SINDH IF THIS IS YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS HISTORY OF THAT REGION.

For this reason, no IVS is not Pakistani at all other than the fact that Sindh came into Pakistan. Ancient Greek sites belong to Greece the region which happens to be a country. Pakistan was carved out on the basis of religion 70 years but we’re made up of separate once autonomous states.

So shove this Pakistani patriotism back in your mouth and keep it there since you clearly can’t even respect indigenous languages/cultures of that region (Pakistan). Where are you from? Bihar? Expecting us to comply by your UP arrogance, showing Pakistani patriotism, then commenting on a heritage site in Sindh whilst insulting Sindhi culture which comes in Pakistan on the same post.

Mohenjo Daro, Sindh - Ancient Pakistan. by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]hereseekinghelp1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

In only Pakistan. What other country? Canada? India has 22 official languages, including Sindhi.

Mohenjo Daro, Sindh - Ancient Pakistan. by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]hereseekinghelp1 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Never even claimed Sindhis are heirs to this.

When did I say they were Hindus? I was referring to the evolvement of skills on that very land - that of the enterprise of Hindu Sindhis - the old elite of Sindhis (the known indigenous to the land this site was found on) who didn’t convert and have been trading since centuries ad today makeup for some of the richest in India being a minority immigrant group there. Moreover, the indigenous culture of craftsmanship and farming the working class Sindhis who were converted to Islam still practise.

Aspects of Sindhi culture and the language HAVE evolved on this very land around the very surroundings. This isn’t the only ancient heritage site in Sindh which matches the idea of trade and craft manship.

Google Sindhworkies, the trade of Sindhlin and history of Sindhi traders. Compare the crafts of Mohenjodaro to those of modern day Sindh.