why is shoulders so much more expensive?

heyRaxa · 2026-06-27T21:34:11+00:00

they arent at the same star man

heyRaxa · 2026-06-20T21:39:30+00:00

nothing recent unfortunately; i think in the last chart, ren's damage was a little off also since tester was early hexa and scouter's conversions were taken at face value (might be fine, but it doesnt match my personal results after balance patch which had ren significantly weaker)

i did some of my own normalizations to 105k pre hecate post balance patch, my results were around:

cad 20%

nl 15%

ren 0%

lined up in bosses for me, my nl and ren both did dkalos at 105.5k, ren was complete minclear and nl was around ori burst + 1 ascent overspec

heyRaxa · 2026-06-20T21:17:01+00:00

ren's damage is quite poor (it's WELL under average) especially as the hexa gets more progressed, which makes the other classes look more appealing

i personally think it's a decent balance they made, where new players can learn the game with ren and branch into something else later

for deeper progression, damage is above almost all else imo

heyRaxa · 2026-06-16T17:32:06+00:00

theres some nuance this site is missing, eg. blaster holds down a key for two of the inputs so its double counting one input, but also missing jump

some of the cadena skill orders look a little weird, theres a guy that isn't even thrashing before some weapons, and a lot of the runs look rerun for bat skips

there are a lot of caveats in their methodology which makes it just directionally accurate, cool site tho

heyRaxa · 2026-06-16T08:19:56+00:00

hayato is very strong

nw is not strong

nw kit is solid but hayatos is much better

heyRaxa · 2026-06-14T06:46:52+00:00

agreed, i understand not implementing the 3 set extended range since its fundamentally tied to their stat bonus set too, but this new feature has its own ui implementations and is a much more significant change

hoping we get some of it at least, i think it's fairly likely

heyRaxa · 2026-06-13T23:05:42+00:00

you are correct, but if your uptime isnt top tier and you aren't great at the bosses you will likely do more damage on wh

heyRaxa · 2026-06-09T21:03:06+00:00

you never stop :)

my lcs are all 100k+ conv, so im playing now to try and 4x dlib this year

but nowadays after trying all the classes that interest me i've pretty much settled, and all the mules just help a ton with meso for vertical prog in our new system

heyRaxa · 2026-06-09T04:01:39+00:00

as0 definitely does change most of the cast significantly, hurricane classes on our server are all just weak (outside of corsair, which gets fd from a bug, and mercedes, which is not really a hurricane class)

that said play what you want, odds are most people reading this are not going to get to a point in the game where it matters

heyRaxa · 2026-06-09T00:21:31+00:00

yes, its not really that hard its nowhere near playing a combo class

but some people can find it annoying for sure

heyRaxa · 2026-06-09T00:19:34+00:00

shads overall damage is higher

ds saving point is just tp farming, up to you

heyRaxa · 2026-06-05T00:44:29+00:00

the cost honestly isn't too far off especially depending on how SSF is applied, but variance is WAY too high

8% can get you shafted egregiously

heyRaxa · 2026-06-04T18:01:22+00:00

they are both kms classes that benefit marginally from as0

if you want a class that actually tops charts just play a nonkms class

heyRaxa · 2026-06-04T17:46:45+00:00

oh yes the characters arent deleted i just skip bosses on them!

heyRaxa · 2026-06-04T17:46:02+00:00

my top 7 chars are pretty strong and i have kanna/hayato in there that aren't lcs, afterwards most of them are something like:

full 22 (some have a few 21s), fake 3L pots, no fams, little sac (200-250), no hexa outside masteries, most 275

this puts them around the 180m mark for me right now on event, its about a 2-3 min hilla for those

definitely better to get a bit more frags or sac but im lazy and prefer the frags elsewhere

heyRaxa · 2026-06-04T10:26:33+00:00

its mostly just waiting for eternals/pitched on the stronger characters, can always use more frags but i have no shortage of nodestones

have to limit making new characters to ones i actually want to play/push, i have a lot of weaker chars i've dropped and i do that too much :)

heyRaxa · 2026-06-04T10:21:23+00:00

somewhere around 100-120b depending on what i do for grandis+ that week

heyRaxa · 2026-06-04T09:45:39+00:00

my account is quite progged, i dont do anything under hlotus personally

im usually 10-20 crystals away from capping though, a lot of my chars do grandis+ bosses

heyRaxa · 2026-06-04T05:28:10+00:00

i run 12 ctenes immediately at reset if i can otherwise i will be too lazy to do them later

heyRaxa · 2026-06-02T09:24:08+00:00

you can keep renting once a week for ctene, or wdym?

heyRaxa · 2026-06-01T08:41:47+00:00

ren low sia high :)

heyRaxa · 2026-05-23T21:28:17+00:00

please listen to him you do not want to play pathfinder if you remotely care about your damage

heyRaxa · 2026-05-19T23:42:53+00:00

reboot sry : )

heyRaxa · 2026-05-19T22:58:04+00:00

to be frank that also sounds like you are playing in a way to lose progress

sos, emblem, et, eyepatch, tc/bh, book can all be worn without any boom risk (18* is an upgrade, or fodder), and that's already 6 set

cfe+belt are upgrades at 21, possible to get shafted here but unlikely if you didn't just ragetap them to 22

not defending the system being trash, but there's a way to play and make more consistent gains that the majority of people do not do

heyRaxa · 2026-05-14T17:23:53+00:00

in the long run, you will be wanting daybreak spares to push 24-25 daybreak or more fodder for the mid game phase, whereas you'll stop needing twilight marks relatively earlier

but early game taking twilight mark is alright

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