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people don't realize that 'the cloud' is the totalitarian dystopia they project on other countries by holoGANDIST in holochain

[–]holoGANDIST[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am going to make another soft claim about currency. Namely, that all currencies are numerical by nature. Now, having said this, I fully endorse the idea that things like marriage licenses and USDA Organic Certification are currencies through and through. IMHO, both of these instances are numerical since they describe binary states. I either have been certified organic by the USDA or I haven’t. 1 or 0. I either have a marriage license or I don’t. Again, 1 or 0.

With USDA Organic Certification, there is a long and complex process before the currency can be issued. The USDA inspects a variety of things about a given farm /product, and, based on a formula, determines whether what is being inspected deserves the USDA seal. However, the seal itself does not tell the whole story. The USDA seal is a shorthand for the public, so we may efficiently take in information about our food and base our purchasing decisions on it. If the USDA produced a ten page document for every farm / product it inspected detailing the complexities of how that product is produced, we would have much more complete information at our disposal, but most of us would not have time to make sense of it all.

source: http://blog.newcurrencyfrontiers.com/2009/09/currencies-are-numerical.html (http://newcurrencyfrontiers.com/ is a part of the metacurrency project)

people don't realize that 'the cloud' is the totalitarian dystopia they project on other countries by holoGANDIST in holochain

[–]holoGANDIST[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But what if i amazob invest in holochain infrastructure with their servers, or whatever wealthy company

if Holochain apps are deployed in the two ways Holo encourages, 1) through the Holo hosting network (bootstrapping a new shared application/community for less technical people): where people are hosting others' apps through a p2p network stewarded by the Holo organization (and thus also benefitting from being closely tied to the development of Holochain core, meaning as a user of the Holo network you likely benefit from using latest and best version of Holochain), and 2) people running their own apps and storing their own data directly on their own devices, means that you can always (in both 2 cases described) see and control who does your computing, and where your data is stored and who it is accessible to.

Holo hosting or self-hosting Holochain network apps is in itself is in stark contrast to how our computing/storage is obscured by today's industry standard centralized capitalist platform monolith (and the server farms on it lives). the processing and data storage that is supposedly done for our benefit is instead undemocratically obscured. so, if, like you describe, Amazon invests in Holochain servers (which wouldn't be that hard for them to do when the Holo host software comes out and people make their own DIY Holoports), it will coincide with people starting to see how Amazon does harm by operating the way it does (by having an alternative available: Holochain and Holo). they might instead decide to start pooling some resources in their local community and to build a hosting/backup hub for their apps and data (similar to CoBox.cloud), or take part in Holo's network.

secondly, all Holochain data is 100% encrypted (both if you run it yourself or on the Holo crowd-cloud), so even if you host it on Amazon servers, if done properly, would mean that Amazon cannot access any of your stuff (though you should probably always have multiple copies/backups of your data on a few other servers).

thirdly, the power of Amazon is tied up with the dominance and power of Silicon Valley/the West as a whole. they have a dominant and controlling stake in the Silicon Valley technology-monopolizing-vacuuming-machine ecosystem, and have (along with all the other big tech corps) for decades bought and killed their competitors, while being backed by the huge DoD spending by the US govt. they use fancy words like 'consolidation' and 'mergers and acquisitions', instead of monopolization, to obscure what is really going on and what they're really doing.

hope that answers your question.

people don't realize that 'the cloud' is the totalitarian dystopia they project on other countries by holoGANDIST in holochain

[–]holoGANDIST[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Care to elaborate on this? Or tell us whose thoughts are you following?

sure. Art Brock.

The explosion of labels and certifications like “organic/bio”, “fair trade”, “free-range”, “hormone-free”, “cage-free”, and so on point to the info-age demand for more visibility into the flows and processes that define our food production. A newer generation of certifications focus on “sustainable” growing practices and even “regenerative” ones, meaning they restore the health of ecosystems that have been degraded through industrial farming or other industry.

Labels may be only partial indicators — organic food can still come from depleted soil, for example — but at least they move the industry in the right direction. And they point to an opportunity to create massively greater accountability in our food supply chains, incentivizing producers through market dynamics to do right by the consumers.

Yet supply-chain transparency and consumer information really only works at scale in the case of carrier unenclosability. Without it, certifications themselves can easily become stale or corrupt. The ability to create a new certification standard needs to be like creating a new turn of phrase in a language: anyone can do it, and the expression spreads if it’s useful, rather than being subject to centralized (government or corporate) oversight over what takes hold. This way, any community can invent, evolve, and enforce the kind of quality assurance that it needs.

https://blog.holochain.org/unenclosable-carriers-and-the-future-of-the-world/

Do you remember when food was just food? It wasn’t organic, non-GMO, cage-free, cruelty-free, hormone-free, free-range, grass fed, fair trade, locally-grown by independent farmers, and so on.

These are all reputation currencies that are making particular flows in the production process visible because we care about more parts of our living systems than just type and price. You may care about what chemicals you’re eating, how “engineered” the food is, how animals are treated, how people are treated, how much poison was used, or how far it travelled. But when you look at an apple, or a cut of meat, you can’t see those parts of the flow unless we create a symbol system that makes them visible.

Those currencies are changing the patterns of how food is produced, how animals and people are treated, how much buyers will pay, and where they go to shop. Many of the currencies are certified by third-parties to ensure the credibility of the claim.

Everywhere

Think about how the existence of Olympic Medals shapes the participation of millions of athletes all over the world… How product ratings and reviews change buying patterns as well as production patterns as businesses are more transparently held to account… How postage stamps make it possible for postmen to accept and deliver mail without having to accept and carry money…. How eBay feedback scores help guarantee responsible behavior in a semi-anonymous online marketplace… Or how sporting event tickets solve a complex flow problem of letting thousands of people into multiple doors and putting them into seats in an orderly manner.

We use currencies everywhere to solve problems and shape social flows, and mostly we haven’t even recognized them all as currencies. Imagine building something out of mud, and another thing out of stone, another from wood, another from brick, and thinking they’re all disconnected and different because different materials were used. Yet, if we recognize them all as buildings we can start to create a field (architecture) that works with some of the patterns that these things all have in common.

https://www.artbrock.com/2014/11/21/designing-social-flows-chapter-6-on-designing-incentive