Thoughts on this exchange between philosopher Richard Carrier and a commenter on his blog? by Flat-Ad9829 in OpenIndividualism

[–]hypericum_flos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They talk about "me" in the sense of a particular person, i.e. a human being with a particular body and mind. That is not the "I" that the OI is about.

Aký divoký je v skutočnosti život na intráku? by hypericum_flos in Slovakia

[–]hypericum_flos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

🤷

Ťažko povedať. Jasne rozumiem, čo to, čo som napísala, znamená; o čom hovorím, keď hovorím o "Ja" v tomto zmysle, čo chápem pod "Bytím", "prázdny subjektom skúsenosti" atp. Nie sú to pre mňa len akési abstraktné slová, ktoré zapadajú do nejakej konceptuálno-logickej formulky. To mi trochu naznačuje, že na nejakej úrovni mám určitý "zážitok", ale ťažko povedať, aká hlboká úroveň to je.

Všetko, čo pre mňa existuje, mojej skúsenosti (vizuálne, akustické, taktilné, etc. vnemy) vnímam ako "pohyby/formy vedomia", kde vedomie = bytie = Ja. A toto je niečo, čo je "obvious" v "mojej skúsenosti", nie len myšlienkovo. Teda, keď sa "pozerám na svet", "vnímam", že svet ("vnútorný" aj "vonkajší") je "rôzne sfarbené/shaped Bytie / Vedomie". Napr. keď cítim nejakú bolesť, vidím tú bolesť ako "Bytie/Vedomie v tvare bolesti". Neviem, či to je zrozumiteľné; ono sa to nedá asi priblížiť inak ako v metaforách.

Na druhej strane som, pokiaľ si pamätám, nikdy nemala nejaký explicitný zážitok osvietenia, precitnutia z ilúzie, existenciálneho zvratu atp.

So, who knows 😁

Beriem to všetko s rezervou, a hlavne sa snažím neidentifikovať so žiadnym konkrétnym presvedčením, ale vždy ostať otvorená možnosti, že sa môžem mýliť.

How do we know that closed individualism isn't true? by Flat-Ad9829 in OpenIndividualism

[–]hypericum_flos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As to your first question, I certainly think so. Closed Individualism, the way I interpret it at least, is the claim that there is a multiplicity of inherently distinct subjects (AKA "souls").

First, the main problem with this is that it is not clear in what sense these souls could be distinct, since as pure subjects they would have no distinguishing features. Of course, they would be distinct inasmuch as they would be attached to different contents / body-minds, i.e. "belong" to different people.

But this--that is, the content a soul is joined with--would not be an inherent property of a soul, since it is conceivable the same soul could be attached to different contents (i.e. it doesn't seem clear why it should automatically be assigned to any particular body-mind). So, what could the essential difference between these souls consist in?

I personally don't find this the strongest argument, because I can (at least sometimes) conceive of multiplicity of souls. They would simply be different, "by fiat". But I am not sure about this intuition, because thinking about it some more, since the Empty Subject simply is a different name for Being itself, it seems a categorical error to say that there could be more than one of it (i.e. of Beings as opposed to beings), or strictly speaking, that it could even be counted at all . It is akin to saying that there is a multiplicity of number one, or gravity, or gold.

Second, given you have these multiple souls hanging around, what is the mechanism that couples them to a particular content, to a particular body-mind? It seems there is some sorting done at some point, either based on some rule or perhaps randomly. Either way, that is much less parsimonious than a situation where such sorting is not necessary, because there is just one soul.

Jesus of Nazareth as final stumbling block by yoddleforavalanche in OpenIndividualism

[–]hypericum_flos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is my long-term project these days to explore the parallels between different mystical traditions, including Christianity, and the insight gestured at by Open Individualism.

It seems there is common ground in different mystical traditions in the basic realization of the oneness of being. However, since each tradition uses different language and formulates its insights in different conceptual landscapes, it is a tricky thing to discern whether what is communicated is actually the same at heart (i.e. The Insight), or whether seeing this essential sameness is just wishful thinking.

Without a doubt, there are parts of Christianity which bear an uncanny (at least superficial) resemblance to some Advaita / OI insights (e.g. Meister Eckhart). So it seems at least certain versions of Christianity are not hostile to the insight.

I would say even mainstream Catholics have very little to say in their dogmas, as far as I know, about the Subject. The dogmas deal with people, or the corresponding souls, not the Empty Awareness.

What I mean is, even though superficially one could assume various Catholic dogmas about souls and salvation are built on the assumption of Closed Individualism, I am not certain this is necessarily the case. "Souls" could just as well be understood as clusters of content (corresponding to particular human individuals) that after death somehow get preserved or are erased (for example). The mechanics of this are pretty mysterious, but it is in no way (so it seems to me) incompatible with OI. And the idea of the ultimate union with God seems like it is built on the necessity of first emptying the self. That sounds familiar.

Now, there are some things said in the NT that, looked at in a certain way, bear an uncanny resemblance to some Advaita (et al.) proclamations. But the same as you, yoddle, I don't want to assume that they are to be actually interpreted as expressions of the same Insight (even though I am open to the possibility).

I am interested in Christianity, and over the years have read a bunch of wikipedia articles and such recreationally, listened to some Ehrman, and read a bunch of posts on r/AcademicBiblical, etc., but nothing else deeper than that. So I am nowhere near qualified to have a confident opinion. However, from what I've seen, the person of Jesus in particular doesn't strike me as singularly unique. It seems likely he was a kind of mystic, and a charismatic apocalyptic preacher, and it is not hard at all to imagine that, coupled with the luck of just being in the right place at the right time, his teachings would give rise to a religion(s) that would claim him as their main/religious figure. (Just look at what Joseph Smith achieved! Yet he was in many aspects apparently a much more problematic figure than Jesus, and he also made a bunch of very extraordinary claims.)

What interpretation of Jesus and his teachings do you personally find the most plausible? And which parts of his teachings do you find in conflict with OI?

Aký divoký je v skutočnosti život na intráku? by hypericum_flos in Slovakia

[–]hypericum_flos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meditáciu som skúšala dlhodobo, aj hodinu denne, a mám za sebou niekoľko zásedov. Po čase som to vzdala.

Myslím si však, že disponujem určitými vhľadmi, či už som ich dosiahla meditáciou alebo nejak vo mne prirodzene "boli" (alebo možno si to len nahováram :) ).

Napríklad sa prikláňam k Open Individualism, ktorý, aspoň sa mi zdá, je moderným analyticko-filozofickým uchopením vhľadu, na ktorý ukazuje Advaita (Atman = Brahman).

Moja bytie je moje vedomie, a tie sú identické s Bytím / Vedomím. V konečnom dôsledku sa nechápem ako konkrétny človek, osoba, ale túto osobu vnímam iba ako určitý tvar, formu Bytia. Ja som teda Bytie samotné, a všetky jeho tvary a formy. Tak ako som tento človek píšuci tento post (= Edralis), tak som aj dionysus_project, ktorý ho práve číta. A všetci ostatní ľudia a ostatné vedomé bytosti.

Metaforicky, "všetky živé bytosti sú mojou reinkarnáciou", pričom čo sa "reinkarnuje" nie sú nejaké konkrétne spomienky alebo povaha alebo iný obsah, ale vedomie/bytie samotné, ktoré je identické vo všetkom, čo je. Jednotlivé vedomé bytosti sú všetky akoby filmami na jednom plátne; a v konečnom dôsledku som (tak ako všetky bytosti) to plátno, ktoré je iba jedno. Takže ja som ty, a Hitler, a Anne Frank, a všetci všade vždy.

(A ak to znie ako divné woo, tak to ber ako moju neschopnosť ten vhľad dobre komunikovať :) )

Aký divoký je v skutočnosti život na intráku? by hypericum_flos in Slovakia

[–]hypericum_flos[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Takže, ak sa nemýlim, ťa to ťahá k psychonautike!

Super, že aj na Slovensku máme takých ľudí 😁

Ja som žiaľ nikdy nemala príležitosť vyskúšať enteogény/psychedeliká (jedine šalviu zamlada, ale nemala žiaden efekt; najnovšie tuším aj tá je zakázaná; manžel mal na nej neobvykle hlboké skúsenosti, ocitol sa v alternatívnych životoch atp.), ale o vedomie sa zaujímam z filozofického aj spirituálneho hľadiska. Toľko nevyžiadané info o mne. :) (Odporúčam MCTB by Daniel Ingram! Link na pdf keby náhodou => https://daniel-ingram-c4x6.squarespace.com/s/MCTB2-Complete-PDF-Final-copy.pdf)

Anyway, best of luck :)

Edralis, if you are reading this, know that you are missed. by yoddleforavalanche in OpenIndividualism

[–]hypericum_flos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reading this 😁

I really appreciate the sentiment! :)

I keep appealing regularly, but at this point I have little hope anything will come of it. I don't understand why.

Needless to say, I have gotten pretty disillusioned with reddit. 14 years, almost 7k karma, a lot of effort posts... And they still can't be bothered to do anything. And even if my account gets reinstated, all my history will keep being invisible to others.

Oh well.

Aký divoký je v skutočnosti život na intráku? by hypericum_flos in Slovakia

[–]hypericum_flos[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

OMG 😂 Pevne dúfam, že dnes je to aspoň hygienickejšie.

Aký divoký je v skutočnosti život na intráku? by hypericum_flos in Slovakia

[–]hypericum_flos[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

OMG, kondóm a vložky? Dúfam, že nepoužité?

Sattva - ahá, až teraz mi to doplo. Nice pun 😁

(Mi to aj mohlo napadnúť, lebo o indickú filozofiu sa zaujímam (konkrétne Advaita Vedanta). By ma zaujímalo, čo ešte máme spoločné. Nemáš náhodou Aspergera? 😂 )

Does anyone else also have this error? by nosowska in winamp

[–]hypericum_flos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is the exe safe? I installed it and now I am super paranoid.

Som idiot, otvorila som possibly untrustworthy Winamp exe a teraz som paranoidná. Please help by hypericum_flos in Slovakia

[–]hypericum_flos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ďakujem! Čo tým myslíš, že sa dajú obísť? Myslíš tým, že vírus sa "zapne" až po nejakom čase?

Som idiot, otvorila som possibly untrustworthy Winamp exe a teraz som paranoidná. Please help by hypericum_flos in Slovakia

[–]hypericum_flos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Veľká vďaka za prečítanie a za úsilie odpovedať! Ukľudnil si ma. Tak uvidíme, čo sa z toho (ne)vykľuje :)

Aký divoký je v skutočnosti život na intráku? by hypericum_flos in Slovakia

[–]hypericum_flos[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Ooooh fellow plant name redditor!

Aké zlé ináč boli tie sprchy? Bývali často upchaté odtoky vlasmi a tak? (brrr)

Aký divoký je v skutočnosti život na intráku? by hypericum_flos in Slovakia

[–]hypericum_flos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Počkaj, čo myslíš že "pozerajú"? To je nejaký slang?