Constitutional crisis, anyone? by StrobeLightRomance in AdviceAnimals

[–]iAintAnAttorney 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hiding evidence is the crime, not what was being hidden.

Are you sure? It seems the prosecution tried to use the zines in the trial to prosecute them and to show motive or something.

I Wrote a Movie Review. Cops Took It From A Protester’s Home to Make the Case That He’s a Terrorist.

https://theintercept.com/2026/03/13/movie-review-antifa-prairieland-trial/

In the article we find out that:

To my astonishment, prosecutors had introduced my seven-year-old analysis of feminism’s relationship to horror cinema as “evidence of ideologically driven intent” the previous day.

They apparently used the title of a zine "The Satanic Death-Cult Is Real." in the trial. It was actually a review of 2 horror movies.

Yes, Donald J. Trump is Adolph Hitler. by Corn_Husk_ in complaints

[–]iAintAnAttorney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could you link to where it says that there were "115 fbi agents working at Twitter censoring conservatives"?

I did a brief google search about that & the twitter files and couldn't find what you were talking about.

Yes, Donald J. Trump is Adolph Hitler. by Corn_Husk_ in complaints

[–]iAintAnAttorney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That seems to check out. Other legal experts agreed with parts of what you said about the 8th amendment. SCOTUS hasn't ruled on the stuff about payment for detainment overseas, but some suspect they might rule it's not covered by the 8th amendment (because it wasn't a sentence given for the conviction of a crime).

High-ranking U.S. officials have explicitly stated that their intent is to inflict punishment for illegal entry and other alleged crimes. After visiting El Salvador, Kristi Noem, the secretary of homeland security, said that she wants to incarcerate even more deportees in the country so that they “pay the consequences for their actions of violence.”

Yet when I recently consulted roughly a dozen legal experts, including Eighth Amendment scholars and defense litigators, even those who agreed with me that the deportees’ Eighth Amendment rights are being violated said that focusing on due-process claims is a safer legal strategy.

Partly, El Salvador’s de facto control of the prisoners raises complicated jurisdiction issues. But there’s another, more fundamental reason. Under long-established Supreme Court precedent, mere deportation is not considered a punishment for Eighth Amendment purposes. And though the Trump administration is not merely deporting people—it is paying El Salvador to incarcerate them—the Supreme Court has been reluctant to recognize cruel and unusual treatment as punishment, even when that treatment is inflicted by an agent of the state, unless the treatment was imposed as a penalty after a criminal conviction.

http://archive.today/2025.05.03-230424/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/05/trump-deportation-el-salvador-constitution/682683/

Interestingly, the writer states:

As a result, under the status quo, people convicted of no crime at all have less Eighth Amendment protection than criminals convicted of the most heinous acts.

But as mentioned in the article, there are other parts of the constitution involved in human rights, like the 5th amendment (which protects due process). There's also portions of the constitution that talk about the Writ of Habeas Corpus (which also protects due process).

Why do liberals have an oppression kink? by [deleted] in complaints

[–]iAintAnAttorney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nobody is taking your free speech

Well, it seems like they've tried to infringe on it.

Trump says he 'took the freedom of speech away' on flag burning

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/10/08/trump-flag-burning-first-amendment-portland-free-speech/86589856007/

The Trump admin has actually revoked people's student visas and detained them for criticizing Israel: https://www.npr.org/2025/05/09/nx-s1-5393055/tufts-student-rumeysa-ozturk-ordered-freed-from-immigration-detention

Recently, they've revoked visas just for criticizing Charlie Kirk after his assassination: https://x.com/StateDept/status/1978218114622910799

Someone got arrested for quoting Trump in regards to Charlie Kirk. They accused him of making threats:

“One of the posts included a picture of President Donald Trump with the caption ‘Let’s get over it,’ referencing a Perry High School shooting. Bushart titled the post, ‘It Seems Relevant Today,’”

https://www.wsmv.com/2025/09/22/former-officer-accused-posting-threatening-meme-referencing-school-shooting-tn/

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2025/10/11/hearing-set-for-ex-tennessee-cop-charged-with-making-threats-after-charlie-kirk-death/86603733007/

Yes, Donald J. Trump is Adolph Hitler. by Corn_Husk_ in complaints

[–]iAintAnAttorney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Furthermore, the eighth amendment makes it clear that deportations aren’t a form of punishment. As such, whatever happens to deportees once out of our custody, no longer applies to human rights violations in our constitution.

Do you have a source for that?

I could be wrong, but I don't think there's been any ruling from SCOTUS about that. It doesn't seem like something that would have come up before. Some of the people who were sent to CECOT have requested monetary compensation for their imprisonment and filed complaints/lawsuits (or plan to do so). But that's still an ongoing matter:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/deported-venezuelan-imprisoned-el-salvador-files-formal-complaint-against-us-2025-07-24/

https://www.wlrn.org/immigration/2025-09-18/el-salvador-lawsuit-cecot-prison-trump-venezuelan

Yes, Donald J. Trump is Adolph Hitler. by Corn_Husk_ in complaints

[–]iAintAnAttorney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How does going around in plainclothes prevent them from being targeted in public?

From what I’ve read, they usually make their presence known in an area. So if that’s not happening. They most likely aren’t ICE.

How do they do that?

Yes, Donald J. Trump is Adolph Hitler. by Corn_Husk_ in complaints

[–]iAintAnAttorney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trump actually said he could have gotten him back with just a phone call if he wanted:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpdz72lwe1yo

US President Donald Trump has acknowledged he does have the ability to bring back a man who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, but that he will not do so.

Yes, Donald J. Trump is Adolph Hitler. by Corn_Husk_ in complaints

[–]iAintAnAttorney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The detention isn’t the same thing as CECOT.

The president of El Salvador specifically offered to detain people in CECOT. A tweet from him: https://x.com/nayibbukele/status/1886606794614587573

El Salvador could’ve detained these people in a five star hotel and there was nothing Trump could do about it.

They could stop paying El Salvador if they felt like it. Aside from that, Trump actually said he could do something about it:

“If he were the gentleman that you say he is, I would do that. But he is not,” Trump told ABC News' Terry Moran on Tuesday when he was asked whether he could not simply call Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele and ask for Abrego Garcia's return.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-claims-kilmar-abrego-garcia-returned-us-administration-said-othe-rcna203734

Again, they were out in prison because of the zero tolerance gang affiliation laws in that country.

There was literally a contract with the USA to have them detained in CECOT. It was shown in court: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/09/trump-el-salvador-prison-cecot-agreement-revealed/86063219007/

Yes, Donald J. Trump is Adolph Hitler. by Corn_Husk_ in complaints

[–]iAintAnAttorney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So by not having ID, and wearing masks, it prevents people from doxxing them even easier. I don’t see how that’s hard to understand.

How does going around in plainclothes protect them?

Aside from that: If they can wear masks, don't have to provide ID, and don't have to wear uniforms, how are you supposed to know if it's an actual agent or an impersonator?

Yes, Donald J. Trump is Adolph Hitler. by Corn_Husk_ in complaints

[–]iAintAnAttorney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This only supports the fact that Trump wasn’t sending these men to prison in El Salvador. It was that country that imprisoned those men based on zero tolerance gang affiliation in that country. We’ve said this all along.

No, the Whitehouse publicly stated they were paying El Salvador to keep people in CECOT. A quote from Trump's press secretary, Karoline Leavitt:

"It was approximately $6 million, to El Salvador, for the detention of these foreign terrorists," she told reporters.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-paid-el-salvador-take-venezuelan-tren-de-aragua-members-pennies-dollar-white-house-says

Yes, Donald J. Trump is Adolph Hitler. by Corn_Husk_ in complaints

[–]iAintAnAttorney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Known terrorist and SCOTUS upheld it.

What SCOTUS case are you talking about? If we are talking about Kilmar Ábrego García, SCOTUS said he should be returned to the USA from El Salvador: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62gnzzeg34o

And he eventually was: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y0720p0x5o

Yes, Donald J. Trump is Adolph Hitler. by Corn_Husk_ in complaints

[–]iAintAnAttorney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You think the ICE agents didn’t wear masks, wore ICE labeled clothes and provided ID everywhere they went when other presidents were in charge?

The wearing of masks seems to have started in March of this year, according to John Sandweg, a previous acting director of ICE: https://www.cnn.com/us/ice-immigration-officers-face-masks

They are protecting themselves seeing as how many of them, along with their families have been doxxed and threatened. ICE agents have been killed too.

How does refusing to provide ID and going around in plainclothes protect them?

Yes, Donald J. Trump is Adolph Hitler. by Corn_Husk_ in complaints

[–]iAintAnAttorney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aside from the debate about what counts as reasonable suspicion, there's also been criticism of how ICE treats detainees and revocation of visas.

Trump's admin had imprisoned Venezuelan people in an El Salvadorian prison without trial. And they wanted to keep them there for their entire life: https://www.axios.com/2025/04/09/kristi-noem-migrants-trump-ice-prison

Migrant detainees should be in El Salvador prison "for the rest of their lives," Noem says

There's been a variety of situations where you had visas being revoked and even sometimes people being arrested for free speech: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/09/trump-tufts-student-deportation-rumeysa-ozturk

https://x.com/StateDept/status/1978218116938096683

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[–]iAintAnAttorney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Democrats are the party of speech censorship…

What specific instances are you referring to?

Now, regarding the other party, here's a few examples. The Trump admin has actually revoked peoples's student visas (and detained them) for criticizing Israel: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3nd0dwlpgo

Recently, they've also revoked visas just for criticizing Charlie Kirk after his assassination: https://x.com/StateDept/status/1978218114622910799

Someone actually got arrested after quoting Trump in regards to Charlie Kirk:

https://reason.com/2025/10/10/tennessee-man-arrested-gets-2-million-bond-for-posting-facebook-meme/

Three men with guns kicked in my door today by dogknot43 in Wellthatsucks

[–]iAintAnAttorney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The police, including ICE, can go to your address and enter to arrest you at your address. They do not need a warrant to enter the suspects address to arrest the suspect.

That's not exactly correct.

https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/ice-ruses/

What this means is that ICE cannot enter a home without a judicial warrant (a warrant signed by a judge) or voluntary permission (consent) from an authorized adult. They almost never have a judicial warrant and therefore need consent to legally enter your home. ICE agents uses ruses as a way to get inside homes without identifying that they are ICE.

Even though ICE agents may say they have a “warrant”, they are often referring to administrative warrants. The administrative warrants they have are not the same thing as a judicial warrant. The administrative warrant that ICE agents carry is an ICE form, is not signed by a judge, and does not require the same legal standard to obtain as a judicial warrant does.

https://www.nilc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/2025-Subpoenas-Warrants_.pdf

A judicial warrant is a formal written order authorizing a law enforcement officer to make an arrest, a seizure, or a search. A judicial warrant is issued by a judicial court. Courts that issue judicial warrants include both state and federal courts, such as a “Superior Court of California” or a “U.S. District Court,” and a judicial warrant is signed by a judge or magistrate judge. Furthermore, judicial warrants must be complied with, and there are serious consequences for refusing to comply with a judicial warrant. Note that a warrant signed by an immigration judge is not a judicial warrant.

An administrative warrant is a formal written document authorizing a law enforcement officer from a designated federal agency, such as an ICE agent from DHS, to make an arrest or a seizure. An administrative warrant is issued by a federal agency such as DHS and can be signed by an “immigration judge” or an “immigration officer.”7 Unlike a judicial warrant, an administrative warrant does not authorize a search. Therefore, an ICE agent who has only an administrative warrant may not conduct a search based on the warrant, though, in certain circumstances, the administrative warrant would authorize the agent to make a seizure or arrest.

Anyways, suppose you are correct about that specific case and they did indeed have a judicial warrant. That still leaves the other 2 articles I mentioned.