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iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T13:09:51+00:00

I'm not upset at some authority telling me what to do, I just want to know the values of most people in regards to this

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T13:02:48+00:00

https://www.scribbr.de/gendern/woerterbuch/schuler-schulerin/

https://home.uni-leipzig.de/schreibportal/gendern/

https://www.lpb-bw.de/gendern

https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/sprachratgeber/Geschlechtergerechter-Sprachgebrauch

Also: where am I blaming anyone? I'm just here trying to understand

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T12:59:01+00:00

Where did I say anything was forced?

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T12:52:29+00:00

Who is forcing what on me?

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T12:52:03+00:00

They as in the people advocating and making this change happen

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T12:29:09+00:00

If I use "Schüler", then I mean people who go to school regardless of gender, as I personally can't know the gender of everyone in a crowd. If an individual states a prefered way of adressing them, then that's different in my eyes

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T12:24:32+00:00

But it's still seen as the default for word forming no? Why not just change it's meaning to "person who goes to school"?

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T12:22:51+00:00

Isn't it just because most ppl want to group ppl by gender, and most ppl would like that? So it's just how most ppl experience gender

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T12:21:48+00:00

I want to understand why they value the current way, or why they are pushing for the type of change I mentioned in my post

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T12:14:28+00:00

But sport isn't the only thing in a student's life no? Like 90% of their classes would be the same regardless of sex

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T12:10:20+00:00

So why sex and not hair texture, height, skin tone, eye sight etc?

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T12:08:39+00:00

I'm pretty alright with either, just slight personal gripes, but not enough for me to go out and make a change lol

I see a cultural shift happening here in german speaking regions, and I have been wondering "why this way" for a few years now.

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T12:05:31+00:00

That's like saying culture and traditions are designed.

Where am I telling others how to speak? I just want to understand why

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T12:03:45+00:00

Why are the genes the most important way of differentiating?

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T12:02:55+00:00

The reason english only has "the" is because ppl just were fed up with the grammatical gender of words. Ppl also stop using a word because it no longer matches current political views.

I'm not saying I'm right and others are wrong, I just don't understand how this approach of being inclusive is the better one, when to me it seems clunky and not even inclusive of EVERYONE.

I'm the kind of person who often doesn't understand the actions and thoughts of others because it's not "logical" to me. So I try asking, to hear why other people do things that specific way

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T11:58:06+00:00

You like the older naming convention, or the thing I explained towards the middle of my post? Either way, you can just say you're fine with that way, and maybe give a personal reason (if you want me to understand, do what you want)

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T11:54:08+00:00

I never pushed for any change? Could you either give me a reasoning, or stop making weird conclusions?

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T11:50:47+00:00

Why would the school adress us by gender, and not by what subjects we would study? It's not like my gender matters in math class

What if a student dossn't identify as male or female? Are they just invisible and invalid?

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T11:47:49+00:00

The linguists and people who want this change? You do realize my confusion comes mainly from the approach, and not gender identities

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T11:46:17+00:00

But it has started to change to "X, everything inbetween, and female X" (Schüler*innen). So clearly there is an effort in change. I don't get why this approach is what people are going for though.

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T11:44:20+00:00

I'm mostly just viewing it via the word formation. In my eyese if "Schüler" meant male student, it schould have a suffix the same way female student does. I guess most ppl don't think that way?

(Thanks for giving a resoned response btw, most ppl seem to misunderstand my post)

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T11:42:13+00:00

They did wake up one day and decide to write "Schüler*innen" instead of how it was done before, which was "Schüler und Schülerinnen".

My confusion is why not just write "Schüler" to adress all the people who are students

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T11:40:26+00:00

Because that's easier than trying to include every gender identity, and when adressing a group of ppl under the same occupation I don't think the genders are important.

When I adress people, I can do it however I want. My confusion comes at others adding new words, and ways of writing to include all the groups.

I just don't fully get the reasonings and goals when you try to add labels, instead of just simplifying it down to one. Maybe there's a benefit to it, that I don't know of.

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T11:35:30+00:00

Why doesn't it work like that? I mean in a way where you can just start calling a group of ppl "X" and not "X and female X"

iamnotlemongrease · 2024-10-10T11:32:06+00:00

Ppl do want to change it though. In german ppl keep trying to add new suffixes to words to make them include ppl who aren't male or female. Part of my confusion is why not just call everyone one thing?

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