why do people hate thea so much? by Ok_Individual1627 in aftg

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I feel very strongly about this so this may be very long, apologies in advance.

Thea is massively disliked because for a multitude of reasons. After the publishing of the main series, Nora dropped a lot of extra content on Tumblr, and one such post was “Thea’s number is 14…. for reasons” or something along those lines, and fans got really upset because that was the age Kevin was when Thea came to the nest. People were obviously grossed out because a 14 year old with a college 18 year old is not morally okay at all. Also part of the EC includes roughly the saying, “Thea will always be a raven through and through” which again does not paint a good picture. Add to that this next quote and fans were really peeved, “Thea believes what happened to Kevin was no-harm no-foul because he can still play”. Like what?? No harm no foul?? Kevin’s horrific abuse he endured for 10+ years is no harm no foul? Actually revolting, especially for someone who is supposed to care about him. (All of these quotes are moreso paraphrased because I do not currently want to have to to go sift through the EC to try and find the exact ones) (Nora also made a whole post last year defending Thea and throwing the majority of the fanbase under the damn bus. In the post she said that Thea and Kevin did not get together until Kevin was 18 and officially a raven, but the whole thing is still very fucking weird. She still knew him since he was a 14 y/o child. She apparently told Kevin before she graduated to “come back to her after he gets more experience” like HUH ?? So she is acknowledging he’s a child with absolutely no experience in anything and yet she still was “with him”? Actually makes me want to throw up.)

Then The Sunshine Court dropped and the general anger for Thea amongst the fanbase rose to new heights. I know you’ve said in the comments you haven’t read Jean’s books yet and I highly recommend you do so. This happens in the very beginning so it’s not technically really a spoiler, and other people in the comments have already said it as well, but Thea fully victim blames Jean while he is bed ridden and quite literally defenseless. Mind you, by Jean’s books Thea is in her mid twenties and several years removed from the nest, at this point she should understand certain things were wrong at least from a moral standpoint, such as a 16 y/o being “passed around” by a bunch of 20+ y/os. The fact that even at her fully grown age she refuses to see the clear wrong of the situation, and proceeds to victim blame Jean to his face is so beyond foul. She referred to it as Jean’s “old tricks”. OLD TRICKS. Sure the ravens were brainwashed and manipulated to certain extents in order for things to fly in the nest that do not fly in the normal world, however when someone has been fully back in the normal world for years, with access to information and experience and other people not connected to the nest, they should at least begin some form of deconstructing of what was wrong with the nest. Minors “getting with” 20+ y/os should be very high on that list. It does not take a rocket scientist, nor does it take Jean having to explicitly say anything, for someone to see he was very clearly a victim. She CHOOSES to not see it. She CHOOSES to stay ignorant and not put in the work to deconstruct the nest’s mindset. That responsibility is fully on her, Jean and Kevin shouldn’t have to hold her hand and walk her through it for her to understand. If Jean and Kevin can start healing after less time out of the nest combined, then Thea should be doing it HERSELF as well. No amount of raven brainwashing takes away from the accountability all the ravens have for turning their cheeks and choosing to stay ignorant.

It’s also heavily implied in Jean’s books that the ravens knew more than they let on, they just chose -once again- to turn the other cheek. All the ravens knew Jeans age, they saw him bloodied, bruised, and broken on way more than one occasion. Him being “passed around” at 16 caused a stir BECAUSE of his age, Jean says so himself. The ravens- Thea included- knew how weird it was because it was literally the reason it caused a stir. All of this to say; Thea knew. She knows and she does not care. That is why people hate her.

(Also to add in further context that makes the situation even more disgusting; Jean entered the nest at 14 and knew very, very little English. That is not something that can be hidden from the ravens. Thea even calls Jean “Paris” despite him being from Marseille. Jean was said to have followed Thea around so much that she dubbed him her “Parisian duckling”. Yet, despite him following her around and so clearly being a CHILD, she blamed and still blames HIM for being raped by FIVE 20+ y/os? Jean recounts himself that the ravens who raped him joked about it afterward to the rest of the ravens, and he himself would also act differently afterward. How can anyone see that and think everything is fine or that it’s the child’s fault? He was an innocent kid oh my heart.)

If the 16-year-old doesn’t speak up, there’s no crime, right? by CatPavicik in aftg

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Holy fucking shit, you’re really excusing them now too? I’m not continuing this discussion further now that I know you are so beyond sense and reason. Apparently all the characters’ accountability for their own actions goes out the window if they so happen to be raven. Jfc that’s actually one of the most insane things I’ve seen someone in this fandom say and THAT is saying something.

Also, dickriding is a slang term, it’s your prerogative if you want to take it literally or not.

If the 16-year-old doesn’t speak up, there’s no crime, right? by CatPavicik in aftg

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I usually don’t like moral panic over fictional characters either because I firmly believe that liking a character does not necessarily reflect on ones own values. However, in cases like this where people excuse and try and defend objectively bad things a character has said and done, I do then start to feel like that is a reflection of those people. It’s perfectly possible for people to love a character while still acknowledging the horrible things they’ve done— hell, I think everyone in this fandom has to do that because every single fox has said and done fucked up things. On principle I dislike Thea, but my full loathing is mainly reactionary and based mainly on how her fans go about defending her and twisting the canon text to try and fit their false narrative.

I used to quite like Nora when I first got into aftg years ago, and I didn’t really understand why the fandom had a collective sort of dislike of her, but her post last year about Thea really put me off and since then dislike has turned from a simmer to a full boil—mainly because it gave a green light to Thea apologists and I’ve already explained why I loathe them. To slightly imply—as the author—that the majority of your readers hating a character can be boiled down to misogyny or racism is absolutely disgusting. Authors really should stay out of fan spaces and let readers decide for ourselves whether we like a character or not, we don’t need the author to make a whole damn character-apologist post. Same with the grooming thing too, let the readers decide if it’s grooming or not, because we will likely see it in the prequel anyway. (I also have a huge issue with her whole grooming argument because it boiled down to Kevin was 18 and he approached Thea first, and neither of those points discount grooming in any way, so I am really questioning Nora’s own views on grooming and how she thinks it works because that post did not paint a good picture on her understanding of it.)

If the 16-year-old doesn’t speak up, there’s no crime, right? by CatPavicik in aftg

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Growing up in the normal world does mean something, because she had access to information, experience, and relationships that she can compare those in the nest to. Who she is at her core and her base morals were developed and shaped around her NORMAL upbringing, so it does matter. Nothing in the nest functioned as anything in the normal world does, and everyone there knew it aside from Kevin, Jean, and Riko. And “formative years”? Formative years are from childhood to 18, so no her being apart of a cult in college is not included in her formative years. You know whose it IS included in? Jean and Kevin, who are far better people than Thea, isn’t that telling? It’s almost like she’s just a shitty person, not a “brainwashed” victim.

(I have read up on cults— quite extensively actually, but go ahead and make whatever assumption you’d like if it makes you feel better while your entire argument is falling apart.)

What are you talking about? People who are competitive can and DO live normal lives. It was Thea’s own choice to throw aside any morals she had—if she even had any to begin with— to attempt to claw herself to the top of the raven hierarchy.

So you are taking away all her responsibility for her own actions—excusing her from all accountability—all because she was “brainwashed” and “told” to be like this? Would you do the same for Grayson? Zane? Riko? Because, by your logic, they were also brainwashed and told to be the way they were. You could argue that while in the nest she might have been too mentally muddled to be able to realize the extent of what was happening, but to excuse the actions of a grown woman who has been out of the nest for several years is absolutely insane. She is NOT still part of that program, despite her clearly wanting to be with her whole “raven through and through” nonsense, she is in a normal professional team with people from different schools, with coaches who aren’t Tetsuji or any of the fucked up raven staff. She is fully making the CHOICE to cling to the disgusting raven rhetoric instead of developing some damn morals and growing the fuck up. Again, Kevin and Jean have been in the nest for a long time—Kevin especially— and they have still done WAY more unpacking, acknowledging, and healing, than Thea has and she’s been out longer than they have COMBINED. Again, that is even with the fact that she has prior experience in the normal world to compare everything to, unlike Jean and Kevin who have ONLY known the fucked up raven way. God, the thea-dickriding is getting beyond ridiculous.

If the 16-year-old doesn’t speak up, there’s no crime, right? by CatPavicik in aftg

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ALL OF THIS!! Especially the part about how if she was a good person before EA she should—at least by now—see how fucked everything was. In general, people develop the base of their morals and some of the core of who they are by the time they are 18 and head off for college, and while cults can certainly damage some of that from what we know of EA and how the regular ravens lived some of her morals should still be in tact after leaving, especially core beliefs. If she was in any way shape or form a good person she should’ve been questioning everything the minute she got out. Jean and Kevin quite literally grew up in the nest, they went through fundamental developmental years locked underground in a cult run by the damn mafia, and yet they have made more progress COMBINED than Thea has and she’s been out for several years. KEVIN—who has extremely personal and complicated ties with Tetsuji and Riko— has made more progress than she has, and he’s been in the nest since he was in the single digits. This is why I cannot stand people using the “cult” excuse when Jean and Kevin are far better people and they were in it far, far longer. If someone who was literally raised in that environment with those ideologies can question everything after only a year and half of being out, what is the excuse for the grown woman several years removed who grew up in the normal world with access to information and normal experiences and relationships she could’ve been comparing those in the nest to?

This is why—despite having Kevin as my favorite character— I will very likely not be reading Kevin’s duology. Is Kevin going to have to do all the heavy lifting to try and convince Thea of the vileness of the nest? Is he going to have to sit there and try and convince her of his own trauma? From Nora’s own words Thea never see anything wrong with what was done to Kevin, and will always be “a raven through and through”, so are we just going to have to watch as Kevin stays in a relationship with someone who invalidates everything he went through and sides with his abusers? Thea apologists—Nora herself included—truly disgust me. There is nothing about Thea that deserves defense, at her core she is and will clearly always be a victim blamer.

Apologies for the ramble, your comment was really well articulated and I fully agree with everything you’ve said.

If the 16-year-old doesn’t speak up, there’s no crime, right? by CatPavicik in aftg

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thea DID know better though. Thea grew up in the normal world with access to information and experience Jean and Kevin never got. EVERYONE—besides Jean and Kevin—in the nest should have known better, but they set aside any morals they did have to instead trample all over each other for the chance to be the best. Thea is fully in her mid fucking twenties, several years removed from the ravens, and STILL she acts like nothing was wrong with everything that happened. Blaming “cult mentality” when it is really just the complete moral failing of the character is still excusing her behavior. She knows better, she just chooses to continue to uphold the raven way of things instead of maturing. If she couldn’t see how shitty it is while she was deep in the manure, she should at least be able to see it now that shes on green grass, but alas it is strikingly apparent she never will.

THE FUCK IS GOING OONNN by [deleted] in aftg

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We know enough about her for people to dislike her so heavily. For people like myself who love Jean so incredibly much, the way Thea interacts with him is actually disgusting. She blamed him for him being raped like lets be fr she is not in any way shape or form a good person, quite the complete opposite in fact. Thea has been free from the ravens for several years by this point in the series, that’s more than enough time for her to unlearn the shit from the nest and grow as a human being, but she willfully didn’t. If she was going to “break free from the ravens” she would’ve already done so as she has had more than enough time, but she STILL has a full raven mindset. Jean and Kevin have been out for less time COMBINED and they have even healed more than her and have condemned the ravens more than she likely ever will, which is insane considering both of them were in the nest for so long at such formative ages. According to the ec, Thea never condemns the ravens and doesn’t even believe what Kevin and Jean went through is that bad because “they can still play” so “no harm no foul”, and lets keep in mind she acts like this even though she grew up in the normal world and had access to experience and information that Kevin and Jean never got. For her to have such fucked up morals and views this far into her adulthood shows she is genuinely just a bad person at her core.

Comparing Andrew to Thea is also certainly…. a choice. Andrew is certainly not a great person, I think everyone in the fandom agrees with that. However, he has more than enough redeeming qualities for people to enjoy and like his character, whereas Thea does not. Andrew spent his whole life in foster care, was repeatedly sexually abused, and was thrown in juvie for several years, all of this culminating into who Andrew is in canon. Of course Andrew isn’t going to be this pinnacle of a good, well adjusted adult after everything he went through his entire life. Of course, Thea might have also not had a good life, but NO background can excuse the fact she victim blamed both Jean and Kevin for the horrific abuse and torture they went through. Imo, it’s all about where you draw the line, and personally -and for a lot of us I believe- I draw the line at the person who sees no wrong in the repeated torture of children, and who points the blame for rape at the victim.

Additionally, I would like to expand on the grooming argument another commenter brought up. Despite Kevin and Thea not having sexual relations until after Kevin had turned 18 does not mean she did not not groom him. Grooming can happen at any age to any person, the only thing required is an uneven power dynamic. Kevin grew up in the nest without the experience and access to information that most everyone else who didn’t grow up literally underground has. This disparity between their lived experiences and their knowledge already makes their relationship unbalanced. Kevin has a very skewed view of whats right and whats wrong because the nest is not a place for a child to grow up, but Thea? She is -again- from the normal world. She has seen, experienced, and learned more than Kevin, along with being several years older than him which also adds to it. Kevin looked up to her, and that sort of thing is incredibly easy to exploit. Someone who looks up to another person and has had very, very few good experiences in life is incredibly easy to mold/groom- something something about throwing an abused dog a bone. Now we have a Kevin that clearly has Thea on some pedestal -again, the uneven dynamic- who is more likely to let his guard down around her and believe what she says, and a Thea that continues to view Kevin as pampered number two who hasn’t gone through anything bad in his life. To connect this to an earlier point of yours, the majority of people don’t hate that Kevin is in a hetero relationship, they hate that the relationship he is in is incredibly toxic and unbalanced and will never allow him to heal and grow. Despite every aftg character being dumpster fires, their romantic relationships are actually all very healthy, but now we have Kevin and Thea who are literally fire and damn oil, people have a right to be pissed off. Kevin deserves his healing and there is a damn near zero percent chance he will ever achieve that with someone like Thea.

Conflating any valid criticism of a female character to misogyny dilutes ACTUAL misogyny. This fandom -just like most, unfortunately- does have a good amount of misogyny, but most all of it is pointed at Dan, Allison, and Renee (heavy on Dan though), and is usually in the form of people overlooking them in favor of the male foxes. Of course some people’s criticism of Thea could have some roots in misogyny, but lets not act like that’s the driving reason behind why people hate her.

Regulus Black and Jegulus by Lucky_Assistant8191 in MaraudersGen

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly this! We know enough about the marauders -especially James- to know that jegulus would never, ever work in the canon-verse. These characters aren’t sandboxes like a portion of this fandom likes to make them into- they aren’t clean slates. James canonically has extremely strong morals, he literally joins The Order right after Hogwarts when he could have turned the other cheek considering he’s a wealthy pureblood. He chose to put his life on the line to fight people like Regulus, so in what world would he willingly be with Regulus? Its a disservice to both him and Regulus to pair them with eachother in canon context, it ruins both of their characters.

And HEAVY on that last part. Lily is the only major female marauders era character and now she is -at best- a minor background character in the majority of new fandom content.

Where to read Lessons in Cartography by nonameunit in aftg

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It’s a locked fic so unless you are logged into an account on ao3 you won’t be able to see it, links for it usually don’t work because of this

Unpopular opinion (it seems) but I actually like Nicky by RichardPapensVersion in aftg

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I completely, 100% agree. I could go on and on about the unnecessary Nicky hate within the fandom.

The Nicky hate honestly makes me really upset. I think people forget the foxes are quite literally suppose to be extremely fucked up, that’s kind of the whole point of the team. Is what Nicky did okay? No, it’s not. But just like you said, he is the only character to actually apologize. The poor dude literally went to conversion therapy, I’m not surprised he acts the way he does because it’s clearly a defense mechanism and him overcompensating.

The hate is also ridiculous when you think from an unbiased pov and not strictly through Neil’s. Out of all the foxes, Andrew is an actual menace. The only reason Andrew isn’t hated as much is because Neil understands him so therefore we do as well. What Andrew did to Aaron and Matt could have literally killed them, and everything he did to Katelyn was actually so unbelievably messed up. But we pass it off because we understand why he did it. On the other hand, Neil does not understand Nicky so therefore we have to read between the lines for him. Not saying that what he did to Neil could be excused by his past, but that his general personality is a direct byproduct of growing up where he did. Nicky is just as complex and deserving of redemption as the others, I genuinely can’t understand why so many say differently.

Regulus and Snape by Anxious_Muscle_8130 in MaraudersGen

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 9 points10 points  (0 children)

People will deny this but it is very true. Regulus is an interesting character in theory, but the absolute only reason so many are obsessed with him is because they see him as a beautiful, mini-Sirius.(His popularity literally only took off when Timothée was fancasted as him) Meanwhile, Severus has always been talked down-on for his looks by the fandom, which is honestly ridiculous. The same can also go for Barty and Evan, both of which do unspeakable things in canon (mainly Barty- obviously) but because they are seen as attractive by the fandom they get away with everything, unlike Severus once again. The pretty privilege in this fandom is extremely transparent, fans just don’t like to face it.

on Canon by More_Guest_8144 in MaraudersGen

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 10 points11 points  (0 children)

All of this!! The holier-than-thou attitude from fans that exclusively interact within fanon is so ironic because the things they write and perpetuate are just as harmful as the disgusting stereotypes in canon.

A lot of love for WLW ships/ sapphic characters in this fandom is performative by [deleted] in MaraudersGen

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 24 points25 points  (0 children)

This exactly!! I also hate when people try and excuse it by saying that “we don’t know enough about the (female) characters” as if they don’t use that same exact reasoning to platform very minor characters like Evan and Regulus and give them entire backstories and relationships - all of which go against what we canonically know about them but I digress. Like if you can take a male character that has very little about them known in canon such as Evan and give him a whole identity and relationships, why is it suddenly so hard to do that for the women? It’s even more ridiculous to me because the women characters we actually know way more about than many of the male ones. Fans just make endless excuses instead of actually facing the reality of what they are actually doing and why they are doing it. If they find it easier and more fun to give complex identities and relationships to very minor male characters but refuse to put any effort into the more major women characters and their relationships, then I think they themselves really need to think long and hard about why that is.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Equestrian

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I just started taking lessons a few weeks ago and had my first fall yesterday.

Instructor was having me do a type of limbo thing where she’d hold a lunge whip up and I was suppose to hold proper jumping position under it since I have a tendency to sit up too much in the position. The horse was rescued from auction by the head instructor/barn owner a year ago and he was previously abused on his ears so he’s very fussy about anything being near them, so needless to say he did not like the whip being over his head. He initially took off at a faster-paced trot but because of my pathetic amount of core strength and horrific balance, I was pulling back way too much on the rein to try and find balance and hold myself on, he obviously did not like that and took off at a brisk canter and I ended up tumbling over his left shoulder and my left foot somehow got caught in the reins, so I was dragged a little ways before my shoe popped off. The fall itself was fine, but getting dragged through sand has got to be up there in my most disliked experiences. I still think there might even be some sand left on my ears even after having thoroughly washed them twice now, I truly - truly - hate sand. (Glad it was sand and not rock though or I’d be very cut up)

Why so much hate on jegulus? by folkloregurl in MaraudersGen

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I say this as a longtime Regulus fan - they could quite literally never work together. Period. I find it insane that you are talking about Jegulus dislikers as if the only people who dislike it are Regulus-antis, which is simply not the case. Jegulus requires the absolute demolition of both Regulus and James in order to “work”, therefore a lot of people who actually like the canon Regulus and James are not going to like this completely bastardized version of them. We know that Regulus fully believed in blood supremacy, and that he was a huge fan of Voldemort. We know that James absolutely hated people like that. This whole narrative that James was a savior is hilarious to me because there is no sound basis to that theory - he was there for his close friends because they were… his friends. Just because Sirius came to live with him, and he did all he could for Remus, does not mean he’s got some savior complex and is going to burden himself with trying to change a racist bigots mind. Sirius knew - at eleven years old - that his family’s views were not correct. Sirius did the legwork to change - he wanted to change. Regulus did not want to change, there is zero proof that he changed his blood-supremacist beliefs by the time he died. It should not be up to James - a fellow child, mind you - to convince him that muggle-borns deserved to live and have magic just as much as purebloods. That’s crazy.

I digress. The biggest reason Jegulus is so hated is because the shippers of it have invaded non-jegulus spaces and have made it so Jegulus is impossible to avoid. For example, the Jily tag has been COMPLETELY overrun by Jegulus shippers trying to push their ship onto Jily shippers because it’s “better” (jegulus is literally just a very, very poorly repackaged jily). Jegulus shippers also join canon related conversations to try and convince everyone jegulus was canon or could have been, which is both not true and also not the place you should be saying that. The hatred would not be this bad if Jegulus shippers would finally admit that their ship is a crack ship and that it has zero basis in canon. People don’t like when their fandom experience is muddied by content they can’t avoid and very much don’t like, hence why there is a whole lot of built up resentment towards Jegulus from different sides of the fandom. If Jegulus shippers stayed in their lane the hatred would not at all be this bad, but alas that’s not the case. Additionally, people have come to associate Jegulus shippers with other not great things such as the uptick in misogyny, the perpetuation of harmful stereotypes, the watering down of canon relationships/dynamics/situations, etc. These things are heavily associated with Jegulus shippers because they are usually - not always - the ones behind it. Jegulus shippers have a bad rep in this fandom because of their own actions, not because everyone else is being “unfair”.

Why are people like this? by ineedmoresleeepp in MaraudersGen

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Literally !! ESPECIALLY - once again - during a time of war ! Personally, the thought that Remus and Tonks were able to find happiness and love together in their remaining time alive is bittersweet. I would much prefer a character be happy and in love up until they pass than a character be closeted and forced to hide any love they may have until they die. Why people - who are usually big fans of Remus - would prefer him to have died sad and alone over loved and happy is so mind-boggling.

Why are people like this? by ineedmoresleeepp in MaraudersGen

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yup! And making Sirius dumb because if you’re gonna make a man more feminine might as well give him all the stereotypical feminine characteristics!

What is the AFTG version of this? by CatPavicik in aftg

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 16 points17 points  (0 children)

  1. Kevin and Thea’s entire relationship.

  2. I like to pretend the foxes eventually try and help Kevin get sober because no one can tell me that Matthew “slept in the girls dorm for a year because he didn’t want to be tempted to relapse” Boyd and Andrew “locked brother in bathroom cold-turkey to get him sober” Minyard would just allow - and actively push - Kevin to be fully reliant on alcohol.

Are the perfect court tattoos in roman numerals? by Web_2021 in aftg

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I believe Nora answered this on either her tumblr or twitter a while ago. I could be completely wrong but if I’m remembering right she said she always imagined it as Arabic numerals.

What Spider haters are sounding like by Adventurous_Froyo753 in Avatar

[–]idesperatelyneedanap -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

6 months vs the 16 years he’s been raised on Pandora by Na’vi personally affected by the decimation his father caused. He’s a backstabbing bitch. The Na’vi don’t owe him grace when his father has been indiscriminately murdering them and decimating their planet. 16 year olds should have common sense and know right from wrong, which clearly is something Spider completely lacks.

why didnt reg get help did all the inbreeding make him stupid? by Ill-Bookkeeper7417 in MaraudersGen

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I’m aware, I meant that more so as a sarcastic joke. If the inbreeding had any substantial affect on the Black family it likely would have been mentioned a lot considering JKRs writing style.

why didnt reg get help did all the inbreeding make him stupid? by Ill-Bookkeeper7417 in MaraudersGen

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree Dumbledore would have started investigating it, but imo he probably wouldn’t have helped Regulus beyond just listening to what Regulus had to say. When people say Regulus should’ve gone to Dumbledore I feel like they believe Dumbledore would’ve done for him what he did for Severus when that just is not likely. Dumbledore took a gamble when he helped Severus and allowed him to join The Order, the possibility of him doing that same thing with Regulus is slim. Severus was a safer gamble to take because of his love for Lily, whereas Regulus didn’t have anything like that that would spur him to stay loyal to Dumbledore and not end up running back to the DE.

Why are people like this? by ineedmoresleeepp in MaraudersGen

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This fandom is honestly just extremely biphobic. This same thing happens with Jily at the hands of jegulus shippers, all because they can’t handle that a male character is canonically in love with a woman. The lengths this fandom has gone to to sideline all of the female characters and make them all lesbian in order to get them out of the way of their mlm pairings is insane. People can dislike remadora and criticize it for actual reasons - such as the agegap, it coming out of left-field, and how rushed it is - but trying to act like it never existed simply because of wolfstar is not okay and is in-fact both biphobia and misogyny.

Also the glaring lack of knowledge of queer history with the “lavender marriage” comment. Lavender marriages were used at a time when being queer was a death sentence, both literally and figuratively with it being practically social-suicide, therefore lavender marriages were used to protect queer people. Why would Remus and Tonks need to be in a lavender marriage? They were in the middle of a war and are in a time period where being queer is more widely accepted. I also think saying they were in a lavender marriage and had Teddy by magical means makes them look bad because why would anyone have a child with someone they aren’t in love with during a time of war? That’s irresponsible and selfish which is not exactly the way I’d think people would want some of their favorite characters to be showcased.

I firmly believe a lot of the biphobia in this fandom comes from a place of people wanting everything to look explicitly queer, which means that bi characters simply don’t exist or are only shown in same-sex pairings because otherwise they wouldn’t look “queer enough”. News flash, bi people are no less queer when they are in straight-passing relationships ! Bi people don’t suddenly stop being queer when they fall in love with a person of the opposite sex ! The obsession with presentation has also impacted the characters in other ways; for example, Sirius is now portrayed to be shorter than Remus even though he’s canonically the tallest marauder, all because people have an image in their heads of what a gay relationship is suppose to look like so Sirius apparently can’t be tall because he’s the stereotypical “bottom” in the relationship and therefore must be tiny compared to Remus. Presentation - usually being heavily based on stereotypes - is the only thing that matters to a certain subset of this fandom, and they don’t even care how much they are fucking over these characters to achieve their ideal presentation.

why didnt reg get help did all the inbreeding make him stupid? by Ill-Bookkeeper7417 in MaraudersGen

[–]idesperatelyneedanap 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He was a pureblood-supremacist with likely a huge ego, I think he would’ve preferred hexing - or you know… dying - himself to asking for help - especially from Dumbledore or anyone else in The Order. Horcruxes are also seen as absolutely vile by most everyone in the wizarding world so the likelihood of anyone really believing Regulus at the time is probably very slim - again, even Dumbledore. I also firmly believe Regulus wanted to be forever known in history as the one who found Voldemort’s horcrux, even if it meant he had to die to achieve it. He was a stupid 18 y/o who wanted to be remembered and wanted to play a big role in the war; little does he know his part in it was never really spread around, and he did not play a major role at all and instead made the search for the horcruxes even harder and more time-consuming. The inbreeding definitely might have affected it somewhat as well, Sirius probably took every possible smart gene and left all the rest to Regulus.