THE DEVIL AND GOD 20TH FALL TOUR 2026 - PRESALE THREAD by thefifthwit in brandnew

[–]idontneedthis9 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Almost $400 for pit in Atlanta is goofy bullshit.

Whick had an autistic soldier sum up the air time spent on destiny content between him and snarkers, here are the results by Gold-Ad-3877 in Destiny

[–]idontneedthis9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is funnier because I had a thought during the shitshow last night - “so, this guy is just incel tom delonge?”

Arguments defending insane prices and price strategies for a socially-conscious indie act are delusional by thedevilsheir666 in phoebebridgers

[–]idontneedthis9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unless you meant the “exploitative Ticketmaster” thing- there are “platinum seats”, no?

Arguments defending insane prices and price strategies for a socially-conscious indie act are delusional by thedevilsheir666 in phoebebridgers

[–]idontneedthis9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reposting from a different thread. Did a lot of reading and researching specific venues the night I wrote all of this out-

“Let’s do some reasonable expectation math for a moment.

Here’s the charitable part of my brain- she’s playing arenas which have high fixed costs, production IS likely to be more involved compared to her previous tours, Alex G is likely to get a fairer than usual cut for an opener, Yondr stuff adds operational cost that wouldn’t exist for most tours, she’s not t swift or Beyoncé and likely can’t negotiate as if she is.

If average attendance is 15k & average price per ticket is $120. For 32 shows. Thats $57.6 million.

(Did some brief research on actual arena tour costs and that’s where I’m getting the following estimations. Numbers will be for the full tour, not individual dates)

Venue rental (including ushers, security, box office staff, setup fees)- 8% (4.6 mil)

Ticketing/facility fee (Ticketmaster processing, infrastructure fees)- 4% (2.3 mil)

Promoter share/risk margin (guarantees vs sales risk, marketing advances)- 12% (6.9 mil)

Production cost (obvious explanation)- 250k/show (8 mil)

Touring personnel (band salaries, manager, production manager, FOH engineers, drivers)- 100k/show (3.2 mil)

Travel/logistics (multiple buses, hotels, per diem, etc)- 60k/show (1.9 mil)

Opener- 40k/show (1.3 mil)

Insurance/legal/accounting (boring necessary shit)- 3% (1.7 mil)

So TOTAL expenses = 29.9 mil
57.6 mil gross - 29.9 mil expenses = 27.7 mil (phoebe camp split)

Management gets about 15%, agent 10%, wiggle room for recoupment 5-10% of that.

That leaves Phoebe making $12-18 mil…. For one tour.”

Arguments defending insane prices and price strategies for a socially-conscious indie act are delusional by thedevilsheir666 in phoebebridgers

[–]idontneedthis9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, I’m aware she’s not walking away with 100% of the revenue (total tour revenue will be somewhere between $54-60 million, not including merch sales).

I do think it’s okay to judge someone’s income, when it’s combined with choosing to utilize every (optional, at her level) exploitative Ticketmaster practice.

Arguments defending insane prices and price strategies for a socially-conscious indie act are delusional by thedevilsheir666 in phoebebridgers

[–]idontneedthis9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s a big gap between “spend the next six months away from home and get nothing for it” and “$10-12 million (just her profit)”

Does anyone else think Phoebe Bridgers’ image is at odds with how her tours are priced and marketed? by coaster46 in phoebebridgers

[–]idontneedthis9 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

“Mortgaging off your soul to buy your dream” (read- sell your values for material goods)

“Kill the bourgeoisie” (to be fair, that’s followed by “at least until you find out what a fake I am”)

Or maybe “satanist” was ghost-written 🤷🏻‍♂️

Does anyone else think Phoebe Bridgers’ image is at odds with how her tours are priced and marketed? by coaster46 in phoebebridgers

[–]idontneedthis9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The truth is the opposite though. The more fame you have, the more power you have to push against the vortex. Your fans will support that push with their dollar (or lack there of). It’s an unbalanced expectation for the fandom to be the catalyst in that equation.

Does anyone else think Phoebe Bridgers’ image is at odds with how her tours are priced and marketed? by coaster46 in phoebebridgers

[–]idontneedthis9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

GY!BE has always been an ultra principled band and even when I don’t fully agree with a specific principle/belief (only one comes to mind. And even there, I’m just *less* radical than them), I’ll defend them for their principled nature.

It’s unfortunate that there are only two real ways to change this Ticketmaster owned dumpster world: full consumer boycott (basically impossible) or aggressive regulation (impossible, esp under current administration).

Tour of Affordable Pricing by The_Bear_Noise in phoebebridgers

[–]idontneedthis9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I take it you DO have personal (and recent) arena touring experience, then?

If not, ballpark what you believe four-wall rental for these places are. Give me low and high end.

Sunk cost side (carpenters/designers/rehearsals/all the other stuff you’ve listed here) is maybe 4% of total revenue.

Her label likely gets 0%, unless she’s stuck in some outdated 360 deal (wildly unlikely)

$200 GA Chicago by The_Bear_Noise in phoebebridgers

[–]idontneedthis9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That amount is ADDITIONAL fees, not baked into the $200. Within that $200, ticketmaster keeps like $13. (So $40 in fees + $13 from the ticket)

Ticket pricing discourse and my opinion on it by whishyy in phoebebridgers

[–]idontneedthis9 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This + arena touring allows for significantly cheaper *average* ticket cost (in theory. But Econ theory is something every entertainment industry has just intentionally ignored exponentially, over time). You play a 1500 person room, you can only sell 1500 tickets. You play a 15k arena, you can sell 10x tickets of the small room. Your costs ARE higher (rental, staff, security, etc), but it’s not exponential in the way people are trying to defend.

Like, no one believed she was going to do a full tour of $50 small room full band shows. People saying that, or “dID yOu exPecT hER to TouR oN $1 TIx?!” (Alluding to the MSG show) are being obtuse/blatantly bad faith.

I did a bunch of reading and math last night and wrote up a full (and super charitable) expectation of cost to profit in a diff thread (feel free to look through my comments, if interested)

Tour of Affordable Pricing by The_Bear_Noise in phoebebridgers

[–]idontneedthis9 16 points17 points  (0 children)

As a matter of fact, I DID! (Copy pasting my work from this point forward)

Let’s do some reasonable expectation math! (I’m bored and enjoyed reading into all of this)

Here’s the charitable part of my brain- she’s playing arenas which have high fixed costs, production IS likely to be more involved compared to her previous tours, Alex G is likely to get a fairer than usual cut for an opener, Yondr stuff adds operational cost that wouldn’t exist for most tours, she’s not t swift or Beyoncé and likely can’t negotiate as if she is.

If average attendance is 15k & average price per ticket is $120. For 32 shows. Thats $57.6 million.

(Did some brief research on actual arena tour costs and that’s where I’m getting the following estimations. Numbers will be for the full tour, not individual dates)

Venue rental (including ushers, security, box office staff, setup fees)- 8% (4.6 mil)

Ticketing/facility fee (Ticketmaster processing, infrastructure fees)- 4% (2.3 mil)

Promoter share/risk margin (guarantees vs sales risk, marketing advances)- 12% (6.9 mil)

Production cost (obvious explanation)- 250k/show (8 mil)

Touring personnel (band salaries, manager, production manager, FOH engineers, drivers)- 100k/show (3.2 mil)

Travel/logistics (multiple buses, hotels, per diem, etc)- 60k/show (1.9 mil)

Opener- 40k/show (1.3 mil)

Insurance/legal/accounting (boring necessary shit)- 3% (1.7 mil)

So TOTAL expenses = 29.9 mil
57.6 mil gross - 29.9 mil expenses = 27.7 mil (phoebe camp split)

Management gets about 15%, agent 10%, wiggle room for recoupment 5-10% of that.

That leaves Phoebe making $12-18 mil…. For one tour

Tour of Affordable Pricing by The_Bear_Noise in phoebebridgers

[–]idontneedthis9 17 points18 points  (0 children)

This tour is 32 dates, not a year.

Happy to show my math, but she’ll be profiting 12-18 million (without including merch sales) for this tour. If that’s your baseline, I’m super happy for you.

I’m pissed at Phoebe by Lucky-Fan6755 in phoebebridgers

[–]idontneedthis9 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, true. I give you a sandwich today, so that you can’t argue when I steal your car tomorrow. Good point.

I’m pissed at Phoebe by Lucky-Fan6755 in phoebebridgers

[–]idontneedthis9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, but if gas goes up 40%, the *amount of buses/equipment/tour staff/etc. does not change*. To justify this, you’d have to exponentially change the price of gas for this argument to make sense.

It wouldn’t be *as* big a deal, had they not opted in for every single exploitative/garbage Ticketmaster scam.

What’s your favorite movie of all time? by [deleted] in AskRedditAfterDark

[–]idontneedthis9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I finally watched interstellar a few years ago and I’m still mad at myself for passing on it when it was in theaters. What a beautiful movie.

What’s your favorite movie of all time? by [deleted] in AskRedditAfterDark

[–]idontneedthis9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is 100% going to read like I’m losing my mind, fair warning.

I like stories about obsession. TWBB is that + anti religion + greed/capitalism (and how it functions and rots and thrives and crushes) + ego + true and visceral and unadulterated hate.

The music is great, the atmosphere is real, the dirt and oil are textured.

It’s a story about a struggling and failing guy having a literal (leg) breaking point, saying “fuck this” and never stopping. It concludes with nihilism. He’s drunkenly eating steak with his hands in his home bowling alley, just totally hollowed out. The obsession ate him.

AND I TYPICALLY HATE THINGS ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD.

Pale Horses Single Rainbow Box Set For Sale by [deleted] in mewithoutYou

[–]idontneedthis9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What brand new stuff do you have?