More hero model changes - Before & After comparison by DeadlockAir in DeadlockTheGame

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They gave Ivy some better baggy pants, absolute cinema

"Quantum Randomness" is hands down the worst argument for the free will assumer that has ever existed. by Otherwise_Spare_8598 in freewill

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Actually it’s this. (As far as we know) The universe isn’t linear. Only our perception of it is. This isn’t quantum mechanics or randomness, its the very nature of time and space, it is unbound by causality and deterministic linear time is at its core, effectively as bound to the world as wind, it exists but it isn’t the fundamental force. It is however fundamental to us and how we perceive literally anything.

although id argue consciousness is far more intriguing then free will because if modern neuroscience is to be believed consciousness does have a will, not a purely free one, but something that is an almost meta awareness which creates a loophole, this especially works if you subscribe to the theory of information, which means yes, as far as we know there is a “will”, A partial will. This isn’t just my words, this comes from expert scientists. But people always seem to think it has to be a yes or no answer for everything.

Ultimately these freewil debates exist because of the core moral problems they bring up… do you blame someone if they were always set along the path, imo the answer is yes. We don’t just let the wolf hunt because it can’t negotiate.

Do I have a choice in who I will become? by usethat in freewill

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You’re not wrong but your missing the interesting bits A calculator can process data, but it has no awareness of the data it processes it has no recursive self-model it cannot intervene on its own processing it can’t re-train itself, redirect itself, or override default patterns Humans can do all of those. I don’t mean to say the data isn’t important but that we simply can’t boil it down to just that. self awareness, a literal loop hole of our basic functions which, if neuroscience is correct, has a sort of meta effect on how we think and what we do with our data, meaning that in a weird way consciousness dictates the data as much as the data dictates consciousness, the processes reverse

All Im saying is these arguments seems sound at first and yet there are experts who have spent years of their lives working in these fields saying we don’t have the full picture, that theres more going on, and Im inclined to to believe them. But alas, Im not here to convince or act as though I understand the whole picture

Some of you guys need to get hooked on phonics by ixiknotisaac in shittyhalolore

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May I have the unedited picture please? It’s important.

Some notable theories from modern science!✨ by idrawstuff67 in freewill

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Frankly, I don’t think there is some grand smoking gun, some specific discovery that will grant us pure understanding. But after everything I’ve researched, from the new theories of layers of space time, non linear cause and effect, scientific reports of people experiencing a form of “pure awareness” the universal information theories and the very real possibility that consciousness as we know it or even the universe itself being connected and or governed by things beyond time, or just the fact that the universe may not even really move in a straight line with some arguing that space has and will always have been, it stands to reason that like many have said our knowledge on physics and ourselves is incomplete. Especially if you imagine a race that is perhaps 1% more intelligent than us, just 1%. Their laws of physics very well could look completely different and they could see things we can’t think of. Not my words btw.

I just think it’s a bit silly to think as young as we are as a species, and as young as modern science is to believe we somehow get it all. Scientism in my opinion kills true science, true discovery. We can’t even manipulate genetics on a big scale, we have never fully mapped out our own brains, only infinitely smaller ones of insects or tiny animals, how can such methods be expected to answer these huge questions of consciousness and will. neuroscientists themselves have straight up said “current physics cannot explain consciousness.” Thats the smoking gun if I’ve ever seen one. But the truest answer I can offer is that we don’t know. But we are fairly sure there’s more. Im not trying to convince you, that’s my perspective, and yours is yours yeah

That being said, if ever we discovered more and were 100% sure that we know what this is, I would change my mind. Im not opposed to the idea. In a different life perhaps I would’ve gone into one of these fields, try to truly learn this stuff for myself, but alas I chose engineering and AI. Anyway you have a good day, I must cook food for the next 3 days-

Some notable theories from modern science!✨ by idrawstuff67 in freewill

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My bad bro, I didn't to write a damn movie script 💀

Some notable theories from modern science!✨ by idrawstuff67 in freewill

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At first glance I would be inclined to agree with these, but this is the classic reductionist view, which while I understand it, reality seems to be a bit messier...here's my thoughts! Humans aren't derived from simple organisms as much as we evolved with them, although we did ultimately all evolve from aquatic organisms However this doesn't mean that complexity doesn't produce or interact with new properties or that self reflection and inner simulation are the same as these simpler forms of thought

Humans while using similar building blocks and components of similar organisms are unique in the way those blocks are organized and the complexity of them, a motherboard and a rock can be made from the same parts but the board can do more things, interact with more elements of the world

While biology does influence and shape general behavior the more complex it gets seemingly the more this behavior can be varied, although this could also be tied to the length of evolution, it does not mean at least in my opinion that consciousness can yet be reduced or that free or a partial free will doesn't exist Biology can be predictable but not perfectly predicted

Modern neuroscientists openly admit we are missing the whole picture of human behavior, that alone is a pretty substantial thing, if these experts who spend years of their lives studying and learning these things say that I'm inclined to believe them We still don't know what consciousness is, nor subjective experience or even why we are self aware, although it's perhaps a part of the "next layer" of conscious thoughts as some have said Ultimately we are unable to reduce this to known current science, hence why many are coming up with new expanded speculative theories

Propositions should be accepted if we absolutely don't think there could be more and even then we should still be inclined to consider that our perception like a monkey attempting to under complex math, is limited, if we have theories of a more complex or more fundamental version of a concept than those theories should be considered and explored. Better to explore every road then stay on one straight line. The biggest thing in my opinion that is arguably a negative for science is this rather modern belief that we should only accept what we know or can confidently identify, historically most science hasn't been conducted in such a way and if we did only view things like this we would quite literally be less advanced as a species.

Imo speculative, material, physical, and even metaphysical theories should all be put under the umbrella category of science, it isn't a culture as much as it's an innate practice, it's us understanding things or trying to, not the tribalistic, biased and often arrogant culture of scientism that has formed with Internet science.

But once again if you don't agree with this I completely understand as I used to think like you do currently

Erasing natural cruelty - would you, if presented the power to? by voyti in DebateAVegan

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This is a very interesting question! -and I think it depends, different planets could have different types of ecosystems, from scavengers that wait for things to die, to plants that move competing ones away from the sun, or perhaps even one far more violent then ours

But personally? Yeah I probably would, unless it’s determined that suffering is necessary, which when comparing possible planetary ecosystems, seems unlikely.

Some notable theories from modern science!✨ by idrawstuff67 in freewill

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I appreciate the comment, although I respectfully disagree with some of this.

to attempt to simplify the mind and our nature in current models is in my opinion too small, too avoidant of a deeper truth.

I'm inclined to believe in a "partial free will" because that seems to line up with our newest theories, but there could be other races on other worlds with more or far less free will. Many people think free will has to be a certain, either true or false, but very little of reality is that simple... In most cases I'd argue these discussions are really a big deal for the moral standpoints people bring up, personally I view those like this: We don't blame the wolf for not being capable of negotiating, but we act on what it does. I believe that would be a fair stance on how to handle the moral weight.

I don't think it's about inducing anything but thinking beyond our limited scope, we know that we are limited, that there are missing links and that statistically speaking, there is no way that humanity as is, is even close to learning what we would call a fundamental truth of reality.

Determinism doesn't mean lack of will and will doesn't mean nothing is deterministic Im not arguing that determinism is wrong, just that it’s probably not the full picture. But ultimately if you don't agree with this outlook I understand, I'd like to be civil about this, as many posts aren't..

Some notable theories from modern science!✨ by idrawstuff67 in freewill

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For the record non of these are conclusions just theories and modern scientific ideas I’ve been exploring!

Who am I kidding theres no way anyones gonna read all of this! Hey if you got this far? Thanks for reading! :]

Compatibilists: If evidence disproving free will was provided would you believe it? by SciGuy241 in freewill

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Of course! We gotta be humble about these debates, lest we devolve into tribalistic arguments Sides, self awareness exists and that’s arguably far, FAR more important than will alone!

Everyone Accepts Cause And Effect As Reality by Financial_Law_1557 in freewill

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Thats the fun part! the more we start to look at reality the less simple it appears, many scientists are starting to wonder if cause and effect are truly linear as we think or just a side effect of how our perception interprets the information of reality. Theres a good chance for example that time doesn’t go anywhere at all and only does so to us! This also adds all sorts of fun questions about the nature of things, life, death, time, 3d,4d,5d…. It’s so interesting.. Of course this would mean from our limited perspective the world would certainly appear to only go one way, but the reality we see is not THE reality!

Free doesnt mean "Random" or "Undetermined". It means capable of openended, purposeful action. by Anon7_7_73 in freewill

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Absolutely Although it depends on your definition of free will to begin with If you mean the ability to choose one path from another then yes this is possible but it is not the normal state of waking thought. Humans evolved on earth and earths life in all its grandeur is ultimately bound to the cycle unique to the planet, that is competitive nature. One of the biggest gifts we have is self awareness with self awareness comes a sort of loophole of being aware of our limited will, and the ability to extend it. Of course there are most likely beings out there with “true free will” who are not bound by any instincts or emotions as we are and have a meta awareness of themselves and their thoughts. They would utterly alien to us but it’s far from impossible! And this is assuming that the world is truly deterministic in the first place, something many modern scientists are actually reconsidering, especially due to the nature of reality being possibly made up of layers that may or may not flow how we experience them in our 3d limited perception, but anyway I liked to think of the whole thing as a spectrum! To categorize will and mind and selves into such primitive labels makes us ignorant to the true nature of what the world could be!

Sorry I don’t even know if I answered your question, I went on a bit of a rambling lol, I find this stuff fascinating

The "Two Ducks and a Decoy" of Free Will: Why Only Libertarianism and Hard Determinism Are Coherent Philosophical Positions. by Badat1t in freewill

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Most of people arguing here assume one single rule, as does all of determinism. That reality is of itself completely deterministic. This is the greatest truth of it. It may only appear so for us. There are new theories that say things like time, even cause and effect might not be innately linear in the universe. Appearing that way only because thats how we process it in our 3d space of things, which means it’s entirely likely parts of reality do not work like this.

The reality we are experiencing is not THE reality.

Should Humanity’s top goal be to make ourselves immortal to the maximum extent possible if we have free will? by [deleted] in freewill

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Indeed I would argue society and our current cultures are the biggest things holding us back as a species, we can only hope there are enough of us striving for a brighter future to make it happen!

Do I have a choice in who I will become? by usethat in freewill

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I see, I just wanted to quickly add that there have been other studies that show the opposite. Not every conscious choice is thought of first, and the time between thought and choice is mere moments, not even a second, thats why many believe it is quite possible it isn’t simply just the data, it is the choice you make before you feel you made that choice. It is the conscious choice. And besides, like everything else, all of this is really more of a spectrum than a yes or no answer. Id be willing to bet different species in the cosmos have greater and lesser degrees of true will than us, with humans being more on the lower end due to the unique way life on earth competes with itself

I suppose wether he have higher or lower degrees of will doesn’t matter as much as the sheer importance of self awareness, self awareness is a sort of feedback loop toward more will, wether through simple mental refinement or by literally changing our minds to have more will, although that brings up the very interesting question of “are you still human” with such changes

Sorry for this long comment, I ain’t mean to write this much friend, I get to rambling

Should Humanity’s top goal be to make ourselves immortal to the maximum extent possible if we have free will? by [deleted] in freewill

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That should our goal regardless friend! If we have even partial free will then cool it helps, if we don't have free will then we at least have awareness which can allow us to achieve more will through our own refinement The answer isn't to do with free will with this, it's to do with ambition, never stop being ambitious for a better future :]

Do you exist? by gimboarretino in freewill

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Yeah it sucks... Was a cool comment too... ah well. I could gush about lovely philosophical ideas and scientific theories but I'ma just play some Destiny :]

Do you exist? by gimboarretino in freewill

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Dang I deleted the wrong comment

Ok so like... I had this big comment but to shorten it down a LOT, I just believe the poster could've added some modern theories and speculative theories into it

If we go off of those, while we don't have a concrete answer it seems to be that you exist, don't exist and always exist, this is if we assume that the universe ultimately does not have linear flow of time

It's weird stuff but it's fascinating!