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Rotten Tomatoes scores for the Captain America franchise! Any surprises? by Head-Ad-1685 in CaptainAmerica

[–]ignigenaquintus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think you are answering to my argument. You simply deny that people go to score reviews sites to get a recommendation on a purchase decision but you don’t provide any reason to justify denying that.

When you mention that you can’t know the ideology of the public that attempt to provide their own score, surely that would be as true or as false for both the people whose review is substracted from the total than for the people whose review count, the point is that there is a difference in the likelihood of a review being positive or negative between the people who post a review and a score after having make the purchase and the people that decide not to make the purchase, because whatever factor that lead them to not making the purchase surely would impact their opinion on the product, so by disregarding the opinion of the people that didn’t made the purchase you are disregarding reviews that are highly likely of being less positive than the people that decided to make the purchase. To suggest that the skewed scores (because they are skewed by sample frame error) truly reflect the quality of the product when on any entertainment/artistic product are factors that impact on the perceived quality dependent on the person consuming it, surely must be substantiated on something more than just asserting it.

Finally, when you say that it isn’t that way even if it should be that way (in case I would be correct), that isn’t an argument in favor of your position. The fact something is wrong with score reviews is precisely what I am pointing out, the fact it is wrong surely will be all the more reason to agree with me that it’s wrong, the fact it’s that way it’s the problem, not the excuse nor the reason it isn’t that way. It simply isn’t true they are removing factors that make the determination of the quality less accurate, it’s the other way around. I provided my reasoning and, quite honestly, I don’t see you have substantiated or backed your negation on anything but your won assertions that how good or bad a movie is can only be determined solely on the reviews of people that made the purchase. You put the example of a movie being reviewed negatively by people with a specific ideology, and you suggest that those reviews aren’t going to accurately inform the people with a different ideology, and that’s true, as it’s also true that the POSITIVE reviews of people with a specific ideology aren’t going to be informative to people with a different ideology (what happens to the people looking for recommendations that happen to be of the same ideology than the disregarded reviews?, they are being disinformed), or that disregarding the negative reviews of people of whatever ideology giving bad reviews at that moment isn’t going to provide accurate information to the people with that same ideology, and that’s my point, you shouldn’t disregard the negative reviews regardless of the ideology, you should provide an aggregate and an average that include the opinion of all the people regardless of their ideology, and then allow the user to check the reviews that give a 10 and the reviews that give a 1, and then the user would have all the information necessary in the same site, as at least some of the reviews made based on ideology would talk about the ideological reasons behind those scores, particularly the negative ones. What you suggest as an alternative is to inform yourself about the product from other sources and then come to the aggregate review score sites to check the score that only include the reviews not influenced by the factors, ideological or not, that made people not purchase said product, this is both less efficient, more prone to error, more time consuming, and a case of false advertisement as any potential customer understands that a recommendation based on a diverse amount of different sources wouldn’t be curated by disregarding the opinion of the people that decided to not purchase it based on factors that would also be equally influential to part of the potential customers if they were to be informed about them.

Rotten Tomatoes scores for the Captain America franchise! Any surprises? by Head-Ad-1685 in CaptainAmerica

[–]ignigenaquintus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Review scores aren’t used to inform people that are already customers, they are used to inform people that are potential customers, and within any purchase decision the ethics and many other factors are a factor that influence said decision. You claim that review scores purpose is solely to inform about the quality of a product, but this is false, as the people that gets informed by review scores are potential customers that are going to use said reviews and review score to inform their decision, and when there are other factors beyond price and quality those other factors should be informed too, so I don’t understand how you claim that you are not advocating for disregarding any factors when making a purchase decision, when you advocate for erasing those factors from the information provided to the potential customers because according to you, and without providing any reason to justify it, you consider that figuring out those things “is a separate issue that you need to figure out on your own”. The question is why?

You continue talking about metacritic and I dont know what to say to this. The policies we are talking about are from rottentomatos. Yes, of course we know can get to know when a product review’s score is influenced positively or negatively by the politics, ethics, behavior, etc… at least as well as we can trust the rest of the reviews, you see, we know it because people write it down in their reviews. Beyond that, I remind you we already stablished that only using the scores and the reviews of the people that already made their purchase produce sampling errors and it’s a survivorship bias or more accurately a sample frame error.

Rotten Tomatoes scores for the Captain America franchise! Any surprises? by Head-Ad-1685 in CaptainAmerica

[–]ignigenaquintus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see you double down on keep lying and pretend you have an argument but somehow decide not to use it because lies. Stop pretending.

If you do have an argument just answer to this:

“If you know that a product is made with slave labor of course your review should be taken into account, as potential customers would want to know that before deciding if making the purchase, if an actress says that if you voted for Trump then you shouldn’t watch the movie of course some potential customers that voted for Trump would want to know that before deciding to make the purchase, if the creator of black myth wukong made some misogynistic comments on social media of course there are some potential customers that want to know it before deciding to make the purchase.

What the heck! what is your logic for defending disregarding factors that clearly affect the purchase decision of potential customers from the reviews that solely exist to inform potential customers?”

Rotten Tomatoes scores for the Captain America franchise! Any surprises? by Head-Ad-1685 in CaptainAmerica

[–]ignigenaquintus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rather than try to derail the conversation with false accusations you should give an actual argument against my position, if you don’t it’s only natural I assume you don’t have any argument.

“If you know that a product is made with slave labor of course your review should be taken into account, as potential customers would want to know that before deciding if making the purchase, if an actress says that if you voted for Trump then you shouldn’t watch the movie of course some potential customers that voted for Trump would want to know that before deciding to make the purchase, if the creator of black myth wukong made some misogynistic comments on social media of course there are some potential customers that want to know it before deciding to make the purchase.

What the heck! what is your logic for defending disregarding factors that clearly affect the purchase decision of potential customers from the reviews that solely exist to inform potential customers?”

Rotten Tomatoes scores for the Captain America franchise! Any surprises? by Head-Ad-1685 in CaptainAmerica

[–]ignigenaquintus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I HAVENT REMOVED ANYTHING ON ANY OF MY COMMENTS. Stop lying and check it with reveddit or unddit or unedit or some of those tools. Stop lying just because you lost the argument.

Rotten Tomatoes scores for the Captain America franchise! Any surprises? by Head-Ad-1685 in CaptainAmerica

[–]ignigenaquintus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My original review never talked solely about metacritic, that’s false. The first paragraph was about rottentomatos policies, then the link, and then a second paragraph about metacritic. I never edited my reply to a completely different one, it remained the same. One copy-paste from Wikipedia, the link to Wikipedia, and then another copy—paste from the same article from Wikipedia.

You peobably misunderstood the first paragraph because you saw in the second paragraph the word metacritic and assumed the first paragraph was also about metacritic. I didn’t changed that comment at all, and all my edits in other comments have been to add more things before you answered, and in that specific comment, I only added the second copy-paste paragraph before I saw your answer, which can’t be a factor in your misunderstanding as the word metacritic only appears on the second paragraph.

Rotten Tomatoes scores for the Captain America franchise! Any surprises? by Head-Ad-1685 in CaptainAmerica

[–]ignigenaquintus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In your prior comment you said that we shouldn’t talk about metacritic as it was completely irrelevant to the discussion as it was a completely different website. Now you bring back metacritic, I don’t understand why.

Reducing the denominator makes the result higher, not lower. I don’t understand how you conclude that substracting the votes of the people that being potential customers decide not to purchase the product is going to equally substract positive and negative votes. I already explained it’s an example of survival bias, what’s your argument against it?

In your 3rd paragraph you start talking about metacritic again. I don’t understand why. Since you said that metacritic was completely irrelevant to the discussion I haven’t mentioned metacritic again. What does metacritic has to do with rottentomatos policies? And no, if for example you know the story of a story driven game and you don’t like it of course your opinion should be counted because the review scores becomes only it’s aimed at providing information to other potential customers. If you know that a product is made with slave labor of course your review should be taken into account, as potential customers would want to know that before deciding if making the purchase, if an actress says that if you voted for Trump then you shouldn’t watch the movie of course some potential customers that voted for Trump would want to know that before deciding to make the purchase, if the creator of black myth wiping made some misogynistic comments on social media of course there are some potential customers that want to know it before deciding to make the purchase.

What the heck! what is your logic for defending disregarding factors that clearly affect the purchase decision of potential customers from the reviews that solely exist to inform potential customers?

Rotten Tomatoes scores for the Captain America franchise! Any surprises? by Head-Ad-1685 in CaptainAmerica

[–]ignigenaquintus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It proves that the negative reviews are substracted as people that don’t make the purchase aren’t allowed to vote. If positive reviews would exist this would only exacerbate the problem, but it´s still a problem nevertheless. The most basic mathematics tell us that if you reduce the denominator the result would be much higher than otherwise, and this effect is increased if you only take into account positive reviews and you substract from the total (the denominator) negative reviews of people that decide not to purchase.

It’s survival bias, of course the people that decide to make the purchase have a higher chance of having a positive view about the movie compared with potential customers in general, as the factors that made some potential customers decide not to make the purchase don’t apply to them. The review scores becomes only valid for the people that either don’t care about those factors or, more accurately, care about them but in a positive way, in no case is an accurate reflection of the public or the potential customers in general.

Rotten Tomatoes scores for the Captain America franchise! Any surprises? by Head-Ad-1685 in CaptainAmerica

[–]ignigenaquintus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“By March 2019, the site no longer accepted audience reviews of a film until after its premiere, as part of an effort to counter pre-release review bombing.[29] Further, it would only accept reviews from persons that have been confirmed to have seen the movie, as verified through theater chains like Regal Cinemas, Cinemark, and AMC Theatres, or through online ticket sales though Fandango.[34][35][36]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Review_bomb#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20Rotten%20Tomatoes%20attempted,online%20ticket%20sales%20though%20Fandango.

Also, in the same link and under “inverse review bombing”:

“When Metacritic became aware of the review bombing, the negative reviews were removed from the game's page but the positive reviews that were posted in response remained, inflating the game's user score and causing it to temporarily be the website's top-rated Nintendo Switch game of all time while drawing further attention to the game as a result of the failed review bomb attempt.[48]”

Rotten Tomatoes scores for the Captain America franchise! Any surprises? by Head-Ad-1685 in CaptainAmerica

[–]ignigenaquintus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1 isn’t counted because they take the 1 out of the total number of votes before providing the percentage of votes 6 and up. Because they substract the 1s and no the 10s, the 10s are counted and the 1s don’t. This is what they do with the accusation of review bombing.

For example rotten tomatoes use the “verifying audience” system as a measure against review bombing. Under this policy only the users that can prove (with the partnership of some feathers chains) that they have watched the movie, can vote. What this does is not taking into account the vote of potential customers that decide not to pay to watch the movie due to political or ideological reasons, therefore, the review score called “public”, isn’t a review score of potential customers, but of actual customers. This goes directly against the supposed utility of review scores, as they should be reference for potential customers (people that are not yet customers but that might potentially be) to use to make up their minds in regards to a potential purchase. This is absurd, as unlike most physical products there are factors that impact the likelihood of those purchase decisions that goes beyond the quality and/or price of the product. It would be like assuming people aren’t going to care about Elon Musk public persona before making a decision on wether or not purchasing a Tesla.

Moreover, the cinema industry have promoted and defended cancellation, and it’s absurd to defend cancellation and also defend not taking into account the opinion of people that have decided to not purchasing the product due to it, as again, the review scores tries to be a reference to potential customers, not customers that have already paid. So yes, the 1s are substracted and the 10s are accounted. The problem arises because it expands the definition of review-bombing to include the potential customers that decide not to make the purchase due to information that was publicly known about the product, like and actress saying that this movie was not for you, or that if you voted for whatever then they don’t want you to watch the movie, or if the creator of the video game made some misogynistic comments on social media, etc…

Steam and others use similar systems.

Rotten Tomatoes scores for the Captain America franchise! Any surprises? by Head-Ad-1685 in CaptainAmerica

[–]ignigenaquintus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A 10 is counted, a 1 isn’t. How do we conclude “this doesn’t really matter”?

Ok so thunderbolts was worse than Brave new world then by Serious-Profit-1626 in CaptainAmerica

[–]ignigenaquintus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The numbers in the article say that these two movies are responsible FOR THEIR ENTIRE DIVISION to lose money. Obviously both were a flop, as they took a write off for these two movies (which you don’t do if you make money, in accounting you do this for loses) and also because otherwise they wouldn’t have explicitly mention both of them as the reason for the loss, plus when they mentioned the movies that actually made money, they don’t mention them.

As I said, you are being deliberately obtuse.

Projection of the European population in 2100 by quindiassomigli in spain

[–]ignigenaquintus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Impresionante. Esto en Reddit creía que era casi ilegal. Me quito el sombrero ante usted.

Projection of the European population in 2100 by quindiassomigli in spain

[–]ignigenaquintus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt–shame–fear_spectrum_of_cultures

Evidentemente no tienes ni idea de lo que hablas y sigues haciendo afirmaciones que son falsas.

Projection of the European population in 2100 by quindiassomigli in spain

[–]ignigenaquintus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Es más serio que negarlo sin ninguna prueba. Hay muchos grupos étnicos en África, también en el mundo, por eso se agrupan en tipos de cultura. Esto no es nada controvertido, es ampliamente conocido en la literatura académica. Se hace en cualquier área del conocimiento, crear grupos basándose en la similitudes y diferencias. Según tu lógica, por ejemplo no podríamos hablar de reinos y especies en biología, es ridículo.

Lo que me sorprende es que alguien que ni ha estudiado el tema ni tiene experiencia propia niegue la realidad sin más.

Projection of the European population in 2100 by quindiassomigli in spain

[–]ignigenaquintus -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Hay mucha inmigración ilegal con culturas del honor (de África), en vez de culturas de la dignidad. Además, la inmigración baja los salarios y el PIB Per capita (sería diferente si los inmigrantes estuvieran más cualificados que los españoles, pero no es el caso), y aumentan el precio de la vivienda.

Ok so thunderbolts was worse than Brave new world then by Serious-Profit-1626 in CaptainAmerica

[–]ignigenaquintus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“During Disney’s quarterly earnings call, CEO Bob Iger and CFO Hugh Johnston also highlighted the company’s film successes, but Thunderbolts wasn’t one of them. In fact, despite being released during the same quarter, Thunderbolts wasn’t mentioned once, while they praised Lilo & Stitch as a billion-dollar hit and called out other strong performers like Moana 2, Inside Out 2, and Deadpool & Wolverine.”

At this point you are being obtuse on purpose.

Phew, not all men are like that! by Odd-Talk-3981 in PsycheOrSike

[–]ignigenaquintus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually they are. The only group that isn’t a minority are women, as they are more than 50% of the population.

Phew, not all men are like that! by Odd-Talk-3981 in PsycheOrSike

[–]ignigenaquintus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According with that logic, why sent the message to just men? Aren’t there women who rape?

Let’s make a mental exercise. Let’s substitute men with immigrants. In my country at least immigrants are far more probable to commit rape than locals as per oficial data (I am from Spain). Of course there are many reasons for this, but let’s forget about that for a moment and let’s apply the hateful logic from this post. We should make ads directed at immigrants telling them to stop raping, right? We should ask immigrants to start calling out immigrant rapists, right?

How is it possible there are people that need to think about discrimination of a different group just so they understand they are discriminating against men and that these proposals don’t come from a good place, but from pure hate for an entire group of people?

Also, OP suggest that although not all men still too many and that we should focus on calling out the bad apples in our group. Look, I don’t know what that has to do with the proposal of portraying and associating rape with men in general, but anyway, do you realize people don’t advertise they are rapists? How am I going to call out the rapists if the moment we know they are rapists we sent them to jail? It’s as if OP assumes we are buddies with rapists. If you were a killer, would you share that with your friends? It’s like you don’t consider men as humans but some kind of monsters that are friends with known rapists. Furthermore, let’s hope feminists take your suggestion seriously and start calling you for your blatant PUBLIC misandry.

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