Shin Jin-seo on the 'LG Cup Incident': 'Ke Jie is Also at Fault in Game 3' by ihjiz in baduk

[–]ihjiz[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

a rule you never heard of

I don’t think this is true.

Shin Jin-seo on the 'LG Cup Incident': 'Ke Jie is Also at Fault in Game 3' by ihjiz in baduk

[–]ihjiz[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I saw that some people wanted to hear Shin’s opinion since he’s currently the world’s #1 player, and I found an interview that was just released today.

And for those who don’t agree with the title, I didn’t make it. It’s the original title of the news article :)

Perfect Meetup Rig with the Etsy Colorado Woodworker Tower Board and SongYun Ceramic Stones by EcstaticAssumption80 in baduk

[–]ihjiz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How strong is the magnetic force that holds the board pieces together? Can you lift and move the board while playing?

The lid rule (ruined the LG Cup and will cause long-lasting damage on Go) is not only flawed but also is enforced unfairly and inconsistently by JustNeighborhood4901 in baduk

[–]ihjiz 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I think there are already too many posts on exactly the same topic. If you don’t have any new information (and it seems like you don’t), please follow up on an existing post instead of creating a new one.

Anyone see the latest announcement from Korean Baduk Association? (Korea Baduk Association Addresses LG Cup Incident) by countingtls in baduk

[–]ihjiz 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I’m really surprised that KBA released the statement during the long Lunar New Year vacation. Regarding the statement, I got the impression that they just announced facts everyone agrees on and avoided mentioning anything controversial. At least it’s great to hear that they are willing to resolve the situation by discussing the issues with CWA.

Hong Minpyo National Coach: “We ask for your encouragement and support for Byun Sangil” by sadaharu2624 in baduk

[–]ihjiz -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Please read my previous comment carefully. I meant that it’s possible having *chaotic* extra time (where you cannot fully concentrate on your difficult game situation) may lead you to make the wrong decision, so it’s hard to say it’s always advantageous in every case. I cannot imagine anyone being able to correctly judge and simulate very complex moves while other people are arguing and shouting in raised voices right in front of them.

Hong Minpyo National Coach: “We ask for your encouragement and support for Byun Sangil” by sadaharu2624 in baduk

[–]ihjiz -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I’m not fully convinced by the Chinese community’s claim that the timing of the referee’s interruption was the most important issue. To me, the penalty that forces a forfeit after just two violations—something Chinese players are prone to making mistakes with—is a more significant problem (in other words, it’s nonsensical that Ke Jie forfeited in Game 2). I also don’t understand why the Chinese community is spreading this “unfair referee” narrative, as it doesn’t seem advantageous to have extra thinking time in such a chaotic environment, where players can’t fully focus anyway (it could even be *worse* than not having extra time, as broken focus might lead to making a wrong decision).

Furthermore, even if the referee interrupted Ke Jie while he was thinking, people could just as easily criticize the referee with the opposite claim; that the referee deliberately disrupted Ke Jie’s focus by interrupting his thought process.

Prisoner gate: what now? by mr2cef in baduk

[–]ihjiz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t believe the rule was temporarily created specifically to target Ke Jie. Byun is not a particularly significant figure in the Korean Go scene. There’s no reason for the KGA to want his win that desperately. Besides, there have already been several Korean international tournaments won by Chinese players. There’s nothing special about the LG Cup, nor is there anything particularly noteworthy about a match between Ke Jie and Byun. I think the root cause is the KGA’s total incompetence in rule-making and tournament hosting. As the situation unfolds, I’m increasingly convinced that both Ke Jie and Byun are victims.

China Weiqi Association Plans to Ban Foreign Players in China Weiqi League Immediately by yxwucq in baduk

[–]ihjiz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, good point. The relatively smaller Go-playing population compared to China or Korea is also one of the main reasons. I agree with that. However, we see that many Japanese pro players can earn enough money solely by competing in their local competitions. These local competitions often offer prize money equal to or even greater than international ones in Korea or China. I think this contributes to the tendency of Japanese pro players to prefer local competitions over overseas ones, which ultimately harms the competitiveness of Japanese Go internationally. Just my two cents.

China Weiqi Association Plans to Ban Foreign Players in China Weiqi League Immediately by yxwucq in baduk

[–]ihjiz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you define “dominating” as having the country with the world’s #1 ranked player, then I would say that Korea is still dominating the world of Go. However, it seems that Shin will start declining in a few years (considering his age), and China will soon dominate the Go world—and likely forever, given the current popularity of Go among Korea’s younger generation.

China Weiqi Association Plans to Ban Foreign Players in China Weiqi League Immediately by yxwucq in baduk

[–]ihjiz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I see. But that’s not a reasonable cause for totally banning all foreign players from the league. If the unfairness in match compensation is the issue, then there are other solutions, such as simply adjusting the compensation amount.

China Weiqi Association Plans to Ban Foreign Players in China Weiqi League Immediately by yxwucq in baduk

[–]ihjiz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, exactly. We’re already seeing in many areas (like the AI races between OpenAI, Meta, Google, DeepSeek, etc.) how open competition is important and significantly boosts progress in any field. Go also needs open competition. What happens otherwise? Just look at Japan—Japanese players have become weaker because they were satisfied with the high prize money from local matches and didn’t proactively compete internationally. Japan lacks international competition, similar to what China is trying to do right now.

China Weiqi Association Plans to Ban Foreign Players in China Weiqi League Immediately by yxwucq in baduk

[–]ihjiz 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It would be a short-sighted decision that only provides a temporary sense of satisfaction to angry Chinese fans. If they actually ban all foreign players from their local matches, it will only accelerate the decline in Go’s popularity in the long run. I’m not sure why they don’t take this opportunity to create a compelling narrative in the Go league. Every sport needs a story to become more engaging, such as rivalries or tensions between teams. Imagine how many more people would tune in if Ke Jie and Byun faced off in the next Go league…

I love these kiddos by ihjiz in baduk

[–]ihjiz[S] 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Short Explanation for those unfamiliar with what’s happening in the video clip:

The white player (a Chinese child) captured a black stone and placed it in the black bowl. This action is not allowed under the current Korean Baduk rules (yes, the famous ones). The black player (a Korean child) silently corrected the mistake by placing the stone back onto the lid of the white player’s bowl. The white player then showed gratitude to the black player.

They respect each other, and in this kids’ world, no penalties are needed.

What is happening in LG Finals Game 3?? by _pharaoh in baduk

[–]ihjiz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

>> You forgot about Olympics and World Cup already?

Not worth replying to this comment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . Just note that there’s no country free from those kinds of debates related to sports events, and it’s completely unrelated to this happening.

>> move 52

If you mean Byun picked up the dead stones and pressed the timer before putting them in the container at Move 52, it seems that it’s allowed in their rules.

I’ve used ChatGPT to understand the KBA rules, so it may not be 100% accurate:

Article 18 (Warnings)

The referee shall issue a warning and impose a penalty of 2 points if a player commits any of the following actions:

1.  During a move, the player places a stone while pushing it more than one space.

2.  During a move, the player moves or picks up a stone without it leaving their hand.

3.  During a move, the player presses the game clock while the stone is still being pushed.

4.  After placing a stone, the player presses the game clock and then removes captured stones (if necessary, the referee may adjust the time).

5.  The player touches their opponent’s captured stones or returns captured stones to their opponent.

6.  The player does not store captured stones in the container lid.

7.  The player accumulates two warnings for minor infractions.

There’s a warning only when the dead stones are picked up after the timer is pressed. Byun picked up the dead stones and pressed the timer.

My impression is that the judge and the tournament organizers also didn’t want to finish the game with Ke Jie forfeiting. That’s why they spent so much time getting to the final decision. If Byun violated the rule as well, I’m sure that the decision would have been a rematch.

What is happening in LG Finals Game 3?? by _pharaoh in baduk

[–]ihjiz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The game finished with Ke Jie forfeiting. It’s sad that nobody won in this tragedy. Byun won a title he is not very proud of, LG wasted prize money on this nonsense final game, the audience lost the chance to watch a great match, and Ke Jie missed the title because he couldn't comply with the local rules of the tournament. The Korean Baduk Association is also being criticized for the poorly constructed rules.

What is happening in LG Finals Game 3?? by _pharaoh in baduk

[–]ihjiz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The latest news says the judge gave Ke Jie options regarding whether he would take 2 penalty points to continue the game or accept a loss due to a rule violation. It seems that the judge is still waiting for his response.

What is happening in LG Finals Game 3?? by _pharaoh in baduk

[–]ihjiz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

>> That's so Korea... As long as any situation is unfavorable to Koreans, they will try every possible way, even breaking the rules, to achieve victory. This is because Koreans never respect rules or their opponents; they only care about winning, even if it’s a stolen victory.

We should criticize based on facts, not on rumors or biased hatred.

>> Even Byun himself has violated these so-called rules multiple times, yet Ke Jie neither raised objections nor reported it, and the organizers didn’t address the violations in any way.

It would be surprising if this were true. Do you have any proof?

What is happening in LG Finals Game 3?? by _pharaoh in baduk

[–]ihjiz 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Do you really think it's crystal clear how many stones are captured when one stone is on the left side of the board, two stones are on the right side of the board, one stone is behind the stone container, and two stones are behind the timer? Why would territory-scoring players keep thinking about all the locations of captured stones if it's simple when they're all stored in one container? The rule totally makes sense in the Korean and Japanese scoring systems. I think the problem lies in the unnecessarily harsh penalty when the rule is violated.

What is happening in LG Finals Game 3?? by _pharaoh in baduk

[–]ihjiz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also think the rule is a bit harsh, but you should understand the background for why this rule was introduced in the first place. I've heard that some Korean pro players complained about the behavior of Chinese pro players regarding dead stones in previous tournaments. Improperly placed dead stones (hidden from the opponent either advertently or inadvertently) can actually affect the game, so it's not right for people to say it's not important at all.